Joseph the Carpenter was a eunuch?

[Mutt]

Well it's that time of year again where much of the world suspends its disbelief and indulges in the celebration of Jesus' birth.

I still don't understand the story, even as a story it has some major holes in it. So there's a couple, Joseph the carpenter and Mary his wife, who is pregnant. But for some reason it's decided that Mary despite being knocked up is a virgin, wow this Joseph must have been a real loser for everybody to decide that he wasn't even capable of impregnating his wife. A very pregnant woman and her husband go out for a hike/trip away from their home, it gets dark out, they've been hiking all day and decide to check in at a hotel, they find an inn and of course there's no vacancy and end up in a barn full of animals. Then of course she goes into childbirth, wise men show up with gifts and everybody proclaims the new baby Jesus the saviour of mankind, the son of God.

um ...... when you really think of it Christmas is far scarier than Halloween, there are actually millions and millions of human beings on this planet right now who believe this fairytale.

[Operator]

comment Much?

[CaptainHowdy]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mystery

[newB]

Originally Posted by Mutt

I still don't understand the story, even as a story it has some major holes in it.

That's probably because your version sounds like how a 5 yo would tell it. Before bashing a religious holiday, why not learn a bit about it. I'm sure you'll still find fault with it, but then you won't sound quite so ignorant.

If you don't own a Bible, here's a quick summary that might clear things up for you: http://christianity.about.com/od/bib...stmasstory.htm

[cherrylula]

Jesus and Santa Claus, a couple of cool guys.

[The Heron]

All I know is I never impregnate a virgin, it's always GOD! good loophole if you ask me

[rogueteens]

A whole religion based on Mary's lie that she wan't playing away! :D

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by newB

That's probably because your version sounds like how a 5 yo would tell it. Before bashing a religious holiday, why not learn a bit about it. I'm sure you'll still find fault with it, but then you won't sound quite so ignorant.

If you don't own a Bible, here's a quick summary that might clear things up for you: http://christianity.about.com/od/bib...stmasstory.htm

[edgeprod]

"Mary, just admit you cheated. This is getting out of hand."

-Joseph

[NaughtyVisions]

And the uncensored version, for those who didn't manage to figure out Kenny's lyrics:

[Nembrionic]

You really...REALLY want to start a religious discussion on GFY? Apart from the fact that we'll be discussing the contradictions and holes in the whole story untill the end of days(haha) this is probably the worst place to discuss it

[baddog]

I wonder how many "losers" there are on GFY that act as the father of their girlfriend's of wife's kid, even though it is not theirs.

I refuse to believe that you do not know one person that is acting like the father of a kid that is not theirs. Hell, maybe that "loser" was your father figure.

Instead of getting all confused about it, let's put it this way. Mary was an unwed teenage mother. While that might be slightly acceptable in North America or Europe, have you forgotten all the posts here about how brutal they are in the Middle East? For example, jailing a woman that has been raped, and that is in 2011. Now, turn the clock back 2,000 years.

Personally, sounds like Joseph was a pretty nice guy. $.02

[Nembrionic]

Originally Posted by baddog

I wonder how many "losers" there are on GFY that act as the father of their girlfriend's of wife's kid, even though it is not theirs.

I refuse to believe that you do not know one person that is acting like the father of a kid that is not theirs. Hell, maybe that "loser" was your father figure.

Instead of getting all confused about it, let's put it this way. Mary was an unwed teenage mother. While that might be slightly acceptable in North America or Europe, have you forgotten all the posts here about how brutal they are in the Middle East? For example, jailing a woman that has been raped, and that is in 2011. Now, turn the clock back 2,000 years.

Personally, sounds like Joseph was a pretty nice guy. $.02

^^^^A voice of reason.


Say, what was it like, back in the day?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Nembrionic

^^^^A voice of reason.


Say, what was it like, back in the day?

We did not have AIDS or OWS. It was pretty good.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Was Joseph a cuckold?

In ancient times, being cuckolded was possibly the gravest insult one could receive. Not only was Joseph cheated on, but his wife was forced against her will, yet he did nothing about it.

ADG

[raymor]

Originally Posted by newB

That's probably because your version sounds like how a 5 yo would tell it.

It sucks how many people's understanding of all things spiritual seems stuck at a very childlike perspective. We have to take some responsibility for that. Those who have a more mature understanding of that which is deeper than the mental level, what we call the spiritual level, clearly haven't done enough to share the gifts in a way that makes sense to today's adults.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by raymor

It sucks how many people's understanding of all things spiritual seems stuck at a very childlike perspective. We have to take some responsibility for that. Those who have a more mature understanding of that which is deeper than the mental level, what we call the spiritual level, clearly haven't done enough to share the gifts in a way that makes sense to today's adults.

Oh, so now everything has to be dumbed down?

[jimmycooper]

I clicked on the thread thinking it was about Joe The Plumber.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by raymor

It sucks how many people's understanding of all things spiritual seems stuck at a very childlike perspective. We have to take some responsibility for that. Those who have a more mature understanding of that which is deeper than the mental level, what we call the spiritual level, clearly haven't done enough to share the gifts in a way that makes sense to today's adults.

You have to realize that not everyone has an IQ of 186. Mutt is a smart guy but you're up there in Ask Marilyn territory.

The Highest IQs On Record People Still Alive

1.
Physicist / Engineer Kim Ung-yong has a verified IQ of 210

2.
Bouncer Christopher Michael Langan has a verified IQ of 195

3.
Engineer Philip Emeagwali is alleged to have an IQ of 190
World Chess Champion Garry Kasparov is alleged to have an IQ of 190

5.
Author Marilyn Vos Savant has a verified IQ of 186
Raymor from GFY

7.
Actor James Woods is alleged to have an IQ of 180
Politician John H. Sununu is alleged to have an IQ of 180
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is alleged to have an IQ of 180

10.
Mathematician Andrew Wiles is alleged to have an IQ of 170
World Chess Champion Judith Polgar is alleged to have an IQ of 170
Chess Grandmaster Robert Byrne is alleged to have an IQ of 170

13.
World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer is alleged to have an IQ of 167

14.
Mathematician / Physicist Stephen W. Hawking is alleged to have an IQ of over 160
Microsoft Founder Paul Allen is alleged to have an IQ of over 160

http://onemansblog.com/2007/11/08/th...he-highest-iq/

[raymor]

Originally Posted by baddog

Oh, so now everything has to be dumbed down?

I don't really mean dumbing down. I mean presenting core principles without dumbing down to a kid level. There are many intelligent adults who got the little kid version but never anything beyond that. Adults need to hear something with more depth and weight, without assuming the core ideas have already sunk in fully.

So much of what I hear sounds to me a lot like "no animal actually says 'moo', so therefore cows don't exist." I'm wondering how we present the idea that just as underneath the physical level of things lies the mental level of thought, so too does thought overlay the spiritual level, without dumbing it down into a picture book with an old man with a long beard.

How do you share with a grown up the idea that while God is not necesarily a person who has a favorite football team, the "God principles" of hard work, respecting your body as a gift rather than abusing it with drugs, treating others right, etc. do lead to a good life. Adults are perhaps rightly skeptical when they picture the kid's character of God reaching out to Tim Tebow. Is there a way to present that in a more mature way; that since Tebow
learned well from his parents, doesn't spend his time fucking groupies, doesn't go around telling lies about his teammates, or needlessly inciting jealousy and resentment with the Broncos other quarterbacks, following those kind of principles is leading him to a successful career. Those things I listed are of course five of the ten commandments. Perhaps presented that way adults who haven't had a vital experience could see that these are good sound principles, principles at a different level than throwing force, and we call this other level the spiritual.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by baddog

I wonder how many "losers" there are on GFY that act as the father of their girlfriend's of wife's kid, even though it is not theirs.

I refuse to believe that you do not know one person that is acting like the father of a kid that is not theirs. Hell, maybe that "loser" was your father figure.

Instead of getting all confused about it, let's put it this way. Mary was an unwed teenage mother. While that might be slightly acceptable in North America or Europe, have you forgotten all the posts here about how brutal they are in the Middle East? For example, jailing a woman that has been raped, and that is in 2011. Now, turn the clock back 2,000 years.

Personally, sounds like Joseph was a pretty nice guy. $.02

thanks LLoyd

[stocktrader23]

Just when I think I can't get any more surprised by the adult industry this pops up. I need a drink.

[Grapesoda]

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