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  • georgeyw
    58008 53773
    • Jul 2005
    • 9865

    #16
    Originally posted by jimmycooper
    Good luck!
    Thanks!

    Originally posted by ruff
    Exclusive content only counts if you are marketing to someone that has seen all the content on the net. New surfers come in all the time and all content is exclusive to them. Don't worry about it until you get big enough to shoot your own. Then all you will have to worry about is finding models that have not been photographed yet.
    haha yeah that's *all* Appreciate the input - will keep that in mind.
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    • georgeyw
      58008 53773
      • Jul 2005
      • 9865

      #17
      *** bump ***
      TripleXPrint on Megan Fox
      "I would STILL suck her pussy until her face caved in. And then blow her up and do it again!"

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      • SubAms
        Confirmed User
        • May 2002
        • 310

        #18
        Originally posted by georgeyw
        My only real concern is with re to content not being exclusive - I have a fairly clear idea as to what I would like to do if the site becomes profitable, however in the mean time i'll be picking non-exclusive content.
        It's worth a try rather than sit on the domain for another few years wondering what if..
        I'd try to add 1 or 2 exclusive sets a month to start with and increase that number as the site grows.
        Best of luck with it
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        • Paul Markham
          Too old to care
          • Jun 2001
          • 52942

          #19
          George, I may be able to get hold of some never sold before content from one of the best glamor shooters in the business. He's retired now ad sitting on archives that might fit the bil. What I need to know is how much can you afford.

          Otherwise hit up Micheal Ancher this is his site. http://www.glamourgirls.com/

          Michael shoots the best non exclusive content you'll ever find.

          Originally posted by ruff
          Exclusive content only counts if you are marketing to someone that has seen all the content on the net. New surfers come in all the time and all content is exclusive to them. Don't worry about it until you get big enough to shoot your own. Then all you will have to worry about is finding models that have not been photographed yet.
          Every set unseen by a viewer is exclusive. This whole myth started with affiliates getting turned down by TGP sites for submitting the cheap saturated content sponsors were giving them. And Zmasters selling their discs 1,000s of times.

          Your real problem George is the number of people with top class glamor content or the budget to shoot it or finding people who can shoot it for the price you can afford.

          That's why Met Art types sites are at the top. So few can get up there with them.
          Last edited by Paul Markham; 12-08-2011, 11:56 PM.



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          • lucas131
            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
            • Aug 2004
            • 11475

            #20
            content. or you must be bro, offer high pps to get high traffic volume, then scam surfer. there is no miracles, all is just numbers

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            • marlboroack
              So Fucking Banned
              • Jul 2010
              • 9327

              #21
              Content is King, traffic is queen.

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              • ruff
                I have a plan B
                • Aug 2004
                • 5507

                #22
                Originally posted by marlboroack
                Content is King, traffic is queen.
                Bastard is sales!
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                • Paul Markham
                  Too old to care
                  • Jun 2001
                  • 52942

                  #23
                  I have contacted my friend and samples will be coming. Anyone else want top drawer stuff, hit me up.

                  Don't worry, not me shooting it.



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                  • Mutt
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 34431

                    #24
                    Shap's explained it many times, he was very successful with non-exclusive content - the problem was his biggest and best suppliers of glamour content(Cloud9, Matrix, JokerSX) went out of business. He had no choice but to start hiring out photographers for exclusive glamour content.

                    I think if the non-exclusive content was available even today you can still create a paysite that is moderately successful in the glamour niche. IF, and it's a big IF, you can generate enough of your own targeted quality traffic. Without exclusive content you'll have next to no luck getting affiliate traffic.

                    If I wanted to find non-exclusive glamour content I would try to contact the DVD studios - they shoot stills sets as well as video. Times are tough, maybe some of them would license photosets and videos for a decent price.

                    Check out Adult Centro, I saw some glamour photosets on there of current adult stars.

                    Glamour is a tough niche.
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                    • plsureking
                      bored
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 4900

                      #25
                      if u do non-exclusive then your price has to be dirt cheap. im talking like $5 a month. and that price doesn't really say 'glamour'. the problem with glamour is you can't really come up with something new, even with a ton of dough. almost every glamour site is a copy of another. if u want to make money and are set on glamour, you have to tweak it somehow. like glamour milfs, sleeping glamour, glamour creampies, etc. otherwise you have zero chance of success.
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                      • Kenny B!
                        Confirmed Abuser
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 5718

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ruff
                        Exclusive content only counts if you are marketing to someone that has seen all the content on the net. New surfers come in all the time and all content is exclusive to them. Don't worry about it until you get big enough to shoot your own. Then all you will have to worry about is finding models that have not been photographed yet.
                        Couldn't have said it better myself, especially in the babe niche... when you start with micro niches it's a different story though
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                        • Peter Romero
                          Long time no happy ending
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 10602

                          #27
                          Brazzers used to be 100% NON-EXCLUSIVE content. They hired me to shoot some share (semi-exclusive) content for them. I kept telling them that they needed to go exclusive or they'd never make thier mark. The consumer doesn't give 2 shits how much money you saved on content BTW - they just buy or log off. "I've never seen her, that, him, whatever before..." enter credit card info. So they finally listened to me and went 100% exclusive and gave that non-exclusive away for free as a tube site called "Porn hub" ever heard of it? They are kind of a big deal.

                          1. Use non-exclusive & semi-exclusive content as a foundation (bonus) to keep the surfer from leaving imediately upon paying.

                          2. Shoot 12-60 (or more if you can afford it) exclusive sets and update as often as possible. Start with solo masturbation and mix in a little girl/girl & boy/girl for spice.

                          3. Get that shit live and making money you're going to need it to buy & update with exclusive content every week.

                          4. Contact every review site and ask for them to review your site. This will take a while as they are backlogged for up to 3 months depending upon thier size & popularity.

                          5. Play the traffic game like everyone else and pray you make your money back. And take the initiative every single day to get more traffic & content. This is not "Field of dreams" it's a fuckin sharkfight and the babe niche is the hardest (but most rewarding) to do.

                          Good luck!

                          Oh, and hit me up to shoot exclusive content with never-before seen amateurs @ [email protected]


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                          • Grapesoda
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 46238

                            #28
                            Originally posted by georgeyw
                            Thanks - I understand what you are saying and agree whole heartedly - pretty much the reason I started the thread.

                            My opinion on competing with the big sites is to not try to even think of that right now - I want to (as everyone else I imagine) create a site that i'd like to buy a membership for - content I want to go wow she's smoking hot fap time!

                            Honestly there is some great non-exclusive stuff out there, some banging hot models - some of the sets / attire is dated but still hot.
                            create a site that other people will buy a membership for. one of the biggest issues with webmasters is not appealing to a broad enough market, except in small fetish niches.

                            I see this all the time at GFY "that chick is a pig", when in fact I know "that chick converts and retains".

                            another isssue I see a lot of is bad design layouts BECAUSE a 'programer' thinks it's cool.

                            hit me with an email I'll tell you something very interesting. sell at bmbhome dot com

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                            • Nicky
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 30071

                              #29
                              Originally posted by plsureking
                              if u do non-exclusive then your price has to be dirt cheap. im talking like $5 a month. and that price doesn't really say 'glamour'. the problem with glamour is you can't really come up with something new, even with a ton of dough. almost every glamour site is a copy of another. if u want to make money and are set on glamour, you have to tweak it somehow. like glamour milfs, sleeping glamour, glamour creampies, etc. otherwise you have zero chance of success.
                              >
                              Glamour milf ok, sleeping glamour ok. Glamour creampie??

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                              • Paul Markham
                                Too old to care
                                • Jun 2001
                                • 52942

                                #30
                                Shooting glamor is more than some think. Its about getting a lot of things right, not just the easy part of image quality.

                                Its about getting the right models, location, make up, clothing and poses in a sequence covering all the basic poses, angles and frames. To shoot a glamor set good enough to get into Penthouse, Playboy or Hustler takes a day or more for most shooters.

                                To shoot a set good enough for Club, Mayfair Cheri, Chic, Leg World level takes a day or maximum 2 a day.

                                That's why the rewards at that level were so high. These were not sets selling for $700 exclusive for a set and video.

                                A facsimile of this level can be done for $700, it will be hard work. Points will be missed and the real quality wont be there. Will the surfer know the difference? The connoisseur for sure , I doubt if the money is there today.

                                Fit and healthy I could of done, did a few sets, there was just more faster money to be earned shooting brand new teens for teen mags. How much?

                                Not the $3,000 I wanted to get me back. Probably $2000 minimum. For 3 scenes of the same girl. Yes very different times.

                                Fortunately I don't have to.

                                And do know a man who could and still can.

                                In fact if it's stills. I have a few contacts that can help you out George.



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