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alias 11-28-2011 06:59 AM

blah blah blah

misterhhs 11-28-2011 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18588904)
A lot of the unemployed need guidance and someone to be telling them exactly what to do, otherwise they would have already started something up (online or offline). If they have someone to train and manage them they can be very good

Nah, I would have already started something up but employees are just too expensive. And u can't do everything by ur own. Look at google and facebook. They have maybe 10 employees focusing on database optimisation.

Fletch XXX 11-28-2011 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18588192)

The skills required to do most skilled manual jobs above digging a road are going to take years to learn. Yet it's clear that learning the "traffic" skills to pt up blogs, galleries, etc takes skill above writing English, that can be learned in a matter of months. It's no where near as skilled as being a plumber or electrician.

i disagree.

any monkey can turn a wrench, it takes quite a bit more to be a real webmaster, installing scripts working with php, and the countless other secrets of the trade it takes us years to learn.

no offense to plumbers, but I would bet money the average man could figure out how to fix his toilet but would have a hell of a time installing a tubescript and setting up css tableless designs for mobile integration of web sites. They barely understand what http even is let alone "ftp"

LOL

Paul this would be like saying anyone can be a photographer in months. its simply not true.

misterhhs 11-28-2011 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18590000)
i disagree.

any monkey can turn a wrench, it takes quite a bit more to be a real webmaster, installing scripts working with php, and the countless other secrets of the trade it takes us years to learn.

no offense to plumbers, but I would bet money the average man could figure out how to fix his toilet but would have a hell of a time installing a tubescript and setting up css tableless designs for mobile integration of web sites. They barely understand what http even is let alone "ftp"

LOL

Paul this would be like saying anyone can be a photographer in months. its simply not true.

Exactly. And a lot of so called webmasters are only doing copy/paste. Where are the skills? A good developer can read, understand and adjust scripts.

shade001 11-28-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18588192)

The skills required to do most skilled manual jobs above digging a road are going to take years to learn. Yet it's clear that learning the "traffic" skills to pt up blogs, galleries, etc takes skill above writing English, that can be learned in a matter of months. It's no where near as skilled as being a plumber or electrician.

How the fuck would you know anything about traffic, blogs, galleries etc except what you read on webmaster forums? And since you have no skills or experience in these areas (and don't bother bullshitting) how do you know how long it takes to develop these skills?

Answer: you have no clue.

beks001 11-28-2011 11:22 AM

Why do you want more affiliates???? So the ones that actually know what they are doing and bust there tail to just get by with a small amount of extra income can have that much more competition? Seriously.....

Solace 11-28-2011 11:31 AM

Seems unrealistic

Jel 11-28-2011 11:33 AM

The unemployed should be taught how to shoot porn. 3 months training, max.

Solace 11-28-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18588194)
please stop.

:2 cents:

He will continue. :thumbsup

Paul Markham 11-28-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic (Post 18589643)
It's a good idea.

Especially if/when you look at the governments schemes in the UK to get the youngsters back to work.

Not sure about the rest of the world. But as an employer in the U.K, there are some very interesting opportunities coming about for employers to get untrained staff and the government helping pay their wages.

Training people from scratch, then not making you money and you paying wages is never going to be easy. But taking people on and the government paying their wages, or half becomes an interesting proposition.

It is something We'll be looking at over the next few months.

Don't be silly. You should read the name of the OP and that decides if it's a good idea or a bad one. :1orglaugh

Fletch you're assuming all the unemployed are uneducated. Like others, living in the dream world. Every day skilled people are getting laid off, University Graduates are looking for a job. Don't assume it's only the uneducated who are unemployed.

I think many here are simply scared there might be more affiliates stealing their meagre income. This idea is more for mainstream than porn. That's miniscule compared to mainstream.

I'll bet a lot of the skills that are being taught in the UK by the scheme JT speaks of are skills that take a long time to master.

papill0n 11-28-2011 02:57 PM

30 years in adult and paul's threads on gfy get more views than his paysites :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

papill0n 11-28-2011 03:01 PM

you are an utter fucking failure

Paul Markham 11-29-2011 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by beks001 (Post 18590243)
Why do you want more affiliates???? So the ones that actually know what they are doing and bust there tail to just get by with a small amount of extra income can have that much more competition? Seriously.....

Come off it. Reading what some write they're all making loads of money. :1orglaugh

1. I'm not only talking of adult. Online it's a small fraction of the business done. Yesterday more business was done in mainstream than is done in adult in a month.

2. Read 1. again.

3. Stop being a bunch of pussies who're scared some unemployed guy will come and take your business away. .

4. Adapt or die. :thumbsup

I'm thinking most of you are just making a wage and while screaming about us being broke. You're viewing us from your situation. If it's really tough to do what you do, then no unemployed person will take your job. If it's not, then tough shit. You now know how producers feel when scum steal our hard work to skim a few dollars off it and rob us of our income.

Fletch.

A lot of those unemployed will have skills, and even degrees.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...phic-popup.jpg

http://www.mybudget360.com/does-a-co...est-on-record/

Look at this list.


Some might even be graphic designers. :winkwink:

Jakez 11-29-2011 12:42 AM

Can you remind us how long you've been in the porn business and how successfully you've adapted to the online aspect of it?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18591910)
3. Stop being a bunch of pussies who're scared some unemployed guy will come and take your business away. .

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18591910)
You now know how producers feel when scum steal our hard work to skim a few dollars off it and rob us of our income.


epitome 11-29-2011 01:42 AM

I hope Paul doesn't write an ebook and offer to train the unemployed for affiliate sales. We will all be out of business if he does. Nobody understands traffic like he does!

shade001 11-29-2011 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 18590926)
you are an utter fucking failure

He's not a total failure, he had some decent success two decades ago. Unfortunately, that doesn't translate into the post 1995 era.

shade001 11-29-2011 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18590278)
The unemployed should be taught how to shoot porn. 3 months training, max.

If you have a smart phone you need about 30 minutes probably. And it will convert better than anything Paul has in his inventory.

Paul Markham 11-29-2011 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 18591917)
Can you remind us how long you've been in the porn business and how successfully you've adapted to the online aspect of it?

Been in the porn business 33 years. Started selling content to online sites in the 90s. I was contacted by a friend who wanted to sell discs of my images from the Internet, this was when download speeds were slow. Then got involved with APIC and after Steve served a DMCA on content I would email the same address with an offer to buy licensed content. The conversion ratio stunk, couldn't afford it or thought it was better to steal. Who knows.

Still many did buy and $3-$10 an image it was a huge income boost from content I had already earned on. Then had John Copeland, Steve Easton and Phil & Laura who ran a content company from their base in Texas.

In 2000 I wanted to expand these brokering sales and that year while attending the AVN show in Vegas I went into the Internext show with the intention of finding more brokers. I soon came to the conclusion that many were con men or running on a shoe string. We had been ripped off by a broker who was selling on the basis 2 sales for him 100% and 1 for the 50/50 split.

So returned to Czech, employed an in house programer to build a content store www.paulmarkham.com. Once launched the response was almost immediate, I hit a few boards and it snowballed. It was then that I had found out the conman had been stealing from me. I think it's called shaving. 2 customers said they had bought all our content from the guy and I knew he had paid us on 1/3 of what was sold.

Within a year most sets were selling in total for $500, it doesn't take many sales to get to $500 at $35 a sale, 15 sales on a set was easy. And the more we added the more we sold, it was that simple, the same people came back week in week out. Digital cameras for stills were very expensive then, video was small and download was slow.

We started adding video to the stores in March 2001 and even small videos very compresses were snapped up. Some wanted bigger, but the numbers were small. Better to sell a video solo girl in a small resolution 20 ties at $35 than muck around selling it 1-2 times at a large res to someone who wanted it for $35. This was before "custom" hit online porn ad the cry was non exclusive was saturated.

I had a SMS message sent to my phone and Squealer when he was here commented it was going off all the time and annoying him. It was like a cash register to us.

Without checking I think we launched www.bargainbasementcontent.com around 2004. It was to cater for the sponsors who wanted a license on very cheap content they could give to affiliates. Many blame shooters selling non exclusive for affiliates to use. It's the fault of sponsors who buy it for affiliates.

In 2004 we also saw that we had gone about as far as we could go with the content stores. Shooting custom for the price offered was not on. Giving up the lucrative magazine and content stores was also not on. so shooting 100 scenes for a paysite wasn't thought of as an option. So with our "saturated non exclusive" content we launched www.paulmarkhamteens.com which did great as a third level income flow.

Then in 07-20-2008, our lives were tuned upside down. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=842595 Read it and find out. I was in turmoil and the business was the last of my worries. Until employees asked if they were going to get paid, Eva did the accounts as well as shoot. It was then I found I was locked out of our bank accounts and posted that I would take any offers on content, to get money into the processors, who transferred it to my BoA account, which I could withdraw cash at the ATM to pay employees. Also did a couple of big sales with money being wired to my account, not the business account, so again I could use my credit card to draw cash.

This is what started the myth of us being broke. A lie spread firstly by DamianJ then a few other trolls.

Then when Eva was well enough to drive, I got the lump on my neck checked out and fond I had advanced cancer. This was January 2009. This more or less made the decision for us, Eva couldn't shoot, I couldn't. Neither could we run the business we had 3500 sq ft studio ad 8 staff. Squealer saw this all. So we decided it was time to close up shop until we were through our nightmare, or I passed away. My cancer was that bad.

During this time Tubes really bit hard into the online revenue, the remaining magazines were not buying or not paying a lot. So my temporary retirement became permanent.

I was able to do this because over the last 30 years I was prudent, or mean enough, to put money away for a rainy day. The stores and sites were still bringing in money, to the tune of $1,000+ a week. The magazine sales had more or less stopped. My pensions were a great income top up. In the last 2 years the pensions have stayed the same, though did recently find 2 I hadn't cashed in, and my retirement stayed permanent.

Not making anything like the money we did make. Still no complaints 3 years after effectively shutting the business down, the sites are still up, the joins and orders still come and that's more than many can claim.

Whatever I claim to be the income we made over the last 10 years, it will be flamed. By people who will look at us earning $1,000 a week for doing nothing and cry or block it out as a lie.

Online was our second income stream. For content shooters who could sell sets to magazines up till 2008, selling custom for the prices paid was a joke. Not even Manwin pay as much for a solo girl scene exclusive that the magazines did for a non exclusive set. This is easy evidence to verify. I suspect it also applied to video shooters who worked like we did.

I bet you didn't expect such a reply. Believe it or don't. doesn't make any difference to our bank accounts and my pensions.

Paul Markham 11-29-2011 03:58 AM

Jakez thanks for the inspiration. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=18592067

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