How many unemployed peope could be working as affiliates?

[Paul Markham]

Not those who are claiming to be unemployed and working as affiliates. I'm sure there are a few.

I was watching the news about getting more unemployed back into work, with a back drop of a carpenters shop, and thought. How many people who are currently unemployed be working as affiliates either self employed or fully employed?

The skills required to do most skilled manual jobs above digging a road are going to take years to learn. Yet it's clear that learning the "traffic" skills to pt up blogs, galleries, etc takes skill above writing English, that can be learned in a matter of months. It's no where near as skilled as being a plumber or electrician.

So is piracy effecting the prosperity of the Internet and it's prospects to employ people?

Not just in porn, outside porn as well. The US and EU are still the driving force for online businesses. Yet with so much being lost to piracy sites outside the US/EU, what effect is this having on The Internet and it's prosperity?

When it becomes a place to get products for free, it becomes a place that loses money for others.

Discuss without the usual bias, as you download free movies.

[porno jew]

please stop.

[Hentaikid]

I dunno about affiliates, but I definitely see all the young artists and creative people who go along blindly with the culture of free everything don't seem to realize they're cutting their own throat

[Caligari]

How many unemployed peope could be working as affiliates?

Currently quite a few are;)


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[stocktrader23]

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[stocktrader23]

Even if some unemployed could theoretically 'work' as affiliates it would do nothing to introduce more money into the system. The unemployment rate is high, jobs are scarce and you'll still be selling to the same pool of surfers. As for gallery making, easy in theory (we know you love theory) but difficult to make a living at for the average untrained monkey. People have tried for years to reach $1000 per month.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Even if some unemployed could theoretically 'work' as affiliates it would do nothing to introduce more money into the system. The unemployment rate is high, jobs are scarce and you'll still be selling to the same pool of surfers. As for gallery making, easy in theory (we know you love theory) but difficult to make a living at for the average untrained monkey. People have tried for years to reach $1000 per month.

Yes the "free model" would need to be wiped out or drastically reduced to bring in money. That could hurt those who currently profit from free, they will need to change their business model.

If you want to talk porn then lets. IMO. Getting rid of the piracy will have little effect on porn, they will simply migrate to Porn Tubes. Getting rid of Hardcore outside paysites, Porn Tubes and piracy will have a big effect. One of the reasons so few can get over the bar of minimum wage is the effect the "free model" has had on porn. Or do you still think that giving the product away to 1,000 for one sale is good business. I'm old and able to change the way I thought, you younger guys must find it easier.

Still it does take some skill, the same skill level it takes for other trades that will provide meaningful employment?

I'm thinking the entire Internet commerce, not just porn. We love to give it away for free and without massive legislation we will continue to give it to 1,000s to sell to 1.

[Jarmusch]

The problem is:

a) most people see the internet as a form of entertainment
b) not everyone is cut out to be their own boss

But yeah, all it takes is a computer and an internet connection, and most people have that, even the so-called 'poor'.

[porno jew]

paul before you failed at the internet and life you said you were "over the moon" (your words) with 1:500 ratios and that piracy wasn't the issue, your ability to market in this new environment was, so stfu.

[epitome]

A man who is living off the government suggesting how people can make enough money to stop living off the government. Simply brilliant.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes the "free model" would need to be wiped out or drastically reduced to bring in money. That could hurt those who currently profit from free, they will need to change their business model.

If you want to talk porn then lets. IMO. Getting rid of the piracy will have little effect on porn, they will simply migrate to Porn Tubes. Getting rid of Hardcore outside paysites, Porn Tubes and piracy will have a big effect. One of the reasons so few can get over the bar of minimum wage is the effect the "free model" has had on porn. Or do you still think that giving the product away to 1,000 for one sale is good business. I'm old and able to change the way I thought, you younger guys must find it easier.

Still it does take some skill, the same skill level it takes for other trades that will provide meaningful employment?

I'm thinking the entire Internet commerce, not just porn. We love to give it away for free and without massive legislation we will continue to give it to 1,000s to sell to 1.

The cat is out of the bag, the free model is here to stay. I never said ratios wouldn't be better the other way but there is no going back with single companies controlling whole percentage points of internet traffic. We have to work in the environment we have, not much else to it.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

The problem is:

a) most people see the internet as a form of entertainment
b) not everyone is cut out to be their own boss

But yeah, all it takes is a computer and an internet connection, and most people have that, even the so-called 'poor'.

Agreed. However, it takes a lot more than a computer and internet connection.

If it were that easy, everyone would be doing it and successful. All you have to do is cruise GFY for a day or three and you'll realize just how 'easy' it really is (insert sarcasm) as an affiliate. See endless whining threads on a daily basis.

That being said, add in that most people do not have the dedication and discipline to be their own boss first of all. Followed by the fact that many do not know how to "sell" or convert a sale. Lastly, many have unrealistic expectations of working online. Starting with the word "work". For whatever reason, there are plenty who believe you just sit in your underwear and watch money roll in all day. Throw up some pictures of nude skeezers, or a free this or that, and the money just rolls in. You spend 99% of your time doing nothing more than counting your money.

As we've seen over the years, many last 1-6 months before getting shocked into reality.

[marlboroack]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not those who are claiming to be unemployed and working as affiliates. I'm sure there are a few.

I was watching the news about getting more unemployed back into work, with a back drop of a carpenters shop, and thought. How many people who are currently unemployed be working as affiliates either self employed or fully employed?

The skills required to do most skilled manual jobs above digging a road are going to take years to learn. Yet it's clear that learning the "traffic" skills to pt up blogs, galleries, etc takes skill above writing English, that can be learned in a matter of months. It's no where near as skilled as being a plumber or electrician.

So is piracy effecting the prosperity of the Internet and it's prospects to employ people?

Not just in porn, outside porn as well. The US and EU are still the driving force for online businesses. Yet with so much being lost to piracy sites outside the US/EU, what effect is this having on The Internet and it's prosperity?

When it becomes a place to get products for free, it becomes a place that loses money for others.

Discuss without the usual bias, as you download free movies.

LOL the 1st part was enough to make me laugh.

[HandballJim]

if they are able to get unemployment for 99+ weeks, it leaves little incentive to do a job they have no interest in. What they don't realize is those jobs in their field my never again exist again. And if they are looking for a new field I would recommend the medical field.

Many of us even have trouble making a living as an affiliate, so what makes you think the learning curve is easy for someone clueless? I would love to quite my job 9-5, be an affiliate full time, play Handball and go to the beach each day...but it's not that easy. I guess where I live is expensive too.

[Lucy - CSC]

Try this "How many people registered as unemployed are working as affiliates?" I bet the number will be quite high. I bet a massive percentage of affiliate payment never has tax paid on it.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

The problem is:

a) most people see the internet as a form of entertainment
b) not everyone is cut out to be their own boss

But yeah, all it takes is a computer and an internet connection, and most people have that, even the so-called 'poor'.

How much is "skilled work" and how much is "grunt work" or can be taught in a few months with intensive training?

How much has to be freelance and how much can be done in house?

I suspect that 90% of the affiliates here don't earn much more than $50k a year. Still that would be more than enough to bring it in house and pay them a minimum or just above minimum wage and the sites get all the traffic the way they want it, can run to please themselves and not the affiliates and the big plus is it gives the sponsor the control.

Thinking much wider than porn as well.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How much is "skilled work" and how much is "grunt work" or can be taught in a few months with intensive training?

How much has to be freelance and how much can be done in house?

I suspect that 90% of the affiliates here don't earn much more than $50k a year. Still that would be more than enough to bring it in house and pay them a minimum or just above minimum wage and the sites get all the traffic the way they want it, can run to please themselves and not the affiliates and the big plus is it gives the sponsor the control.

Thinking much wider than porn as well.

look at your own threads where you were trying to launch tgps and generate traffic. here it is half-decade later and you still have no clue. just a couple months training. easy huh?

as far as affiliates, why does manwin, who has more traffic than any company so far and by far and whose reach is larger than any mag or dvd company could dream of, still have an affiliate program, have affiliate reps and still cater to affiliates? THINK ABOUT IT.

[L-Pink]

If you ever get smacked in the head with a shovel I probably won't have an alibi.

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[Barry-xlovecam]

I imagine that 0.5% of the 10%+- unemployed might be able to so now the unemployed count is down by 5/100ths so better to find another plan. Besides, affiliation would need to be limited to "respectable" mainstream pursuits if this would be proposed to the "greater unemployed masses."

A no starter for the above reasons on any larger scale.

Political stink-bomb

[Nembrionic]

More affiliates = more competition = more dilution = less sales.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by porno jew

look at your own threads where you were trying to launch tgps and generate traffic. here it is half-decade later and you still have no clue. just a couple months training. easy huh?

as far as affiliates, why does manwin, who has more traffic than any company so far and by far and whose reach is larger than any mag or dvd company could dream of, still have an affiliate program, have affiliate reps and still cater to affiliates? THINK ABOUT IT.

Indirect income from them, as in branding and untracked sales.

[Jakez]

Most unemployed people don't want to work or learn anything Paul.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Jakez

Most unemployed people don't want to work or learn anything Paul.

This is absolutely, 100% bullshit. If this is what you think then you have no idea how bad things have really gotten. When unemployment is around 2% you are correct, most do not want to work. We are a long way past 2% at this point and even the jobs available don't pay for shit.

[alias]

Probably easier for them to start shooting content.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

This is absolutely, 100% bullshit. If this is what you think then you have no idea how bad things have really gotten. When unemployment is around 2% you are correct, most do not want to work. We are a long way past 2% at this point and even the jobs available don't pay for shit.

You're right, I should have said most of the people I know who are unemployed don't want to work or learn anything.

I could go get a 9-5 at plenty of places tomorrow, I understand unemployment is very high but I also see no lack of hiring around me (Orlando) so go figure..

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Nembrionic

More affiliates = more competition = more dilution = less sales.

That was the first thing I thought of too

[garce]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

This is absolutely, 100% bullshit. If this is what you think then you have no idea how bad things have really gotten. When unemployment is around 2% you are correct, most do not want to work. We are a long way past 2% at this point and even the jobs available don't pay for shit.

Beat me to it.

Sure, there a lot of people on welfare and unemployment happy to coast along and game the system for as long as they can.

There are also a lot of people who have given up hope that they'll accomplish anything more than eke out a living that allows them to subsist on a month-to-month basis.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

I bet a massive percentage of affiliate payment never has tax paid on it.

10 to 15 years ago...yeah. These days? 99% of the programs are demanding tax forms and reporting your income. So no. And since Epass is gone...it makes it harder to do "cash deals" as well. The only ones I have left are ones where I meet people in person and they physically hand me cash.

[garce]

Originally Posted by Jakez

You're right, I should have said most of the people I know who are unemployed don't want to work or learn anything.

I could go get a 9-5 at plenty of places tomorrow, I understand unemployment is very high but I also see no lack of hiring around me (Orlando) so go figure..

Seeing as how you're pulling made up statements out of your ass, allow me to do the same...

A lot of those 9-5 jobs are most likely transient jobs. Not to say they're geared towards illegal immigrants (although many probably are...), but they pay little, often have hours that have nothing to do with 9-5, and have a high turnover.

People will work there for awhile, then leave. Or they are fired. Or jailed.

Most of these jobs are not a career choice. They're just an under-paid option of little to no worth that'll temporarily help you pay the rent and buy some food.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by garce

Seeing as how you're pulling made up statements out of your ass, allow me to do the same...

A lot of those 9-5 jobs are most likely transient jobs. Not to say they're geared towards illegal immigrants (although many probably are...), but they pay little, often have hours that have nothing to do with 9-5, and have a high turnover.

People will work there for awhile, then leave. Or they are fired. Or jailed.

Most of these jobs are not a career choice. They're just an under-paid option of little to no worth that'll temporarily help you pay the rent and buy some food.

Right. But working at a restaurant is not a real job or considered part of the jobs available?

[PornMD]

If all the unemployed became affiliates, the web would be a bigger spam and scam shithole than it already is.

[porno jew]

who do you think uploading porn to file lockers and posting them on blogs and forums all day (except for our indian friends that is?)

[u-Bob]

Anyone can hit the keys on a keyboard, anyone can move a mouse around... but it takes skill and creativity to be successful. Being successful is not something you become by following the 10 steps in some "how to become an affiliate millionaire"-ebook.

[czarina]

More like how many unemployed could be working regular jobs.

[Nembrionic]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Anyone can hit the keys on a keyboard, anyone can move a mouse around... but it takes skill and creativity to be successful. Being successful is not something you become by following the 10 steps in some "how to become an affiliate millionaire"-ebook.

However, writing it and selling it for $1 a pop might make you rich

[wehateporn]

A lot of the unemployed need guidance and someone to be telling them exactly what to do, otherwise they would have already started something up (online or offline). If they have someone to train and manage them they can be very good

[Solace]

Ah rational from our resident geezer
Power to you

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Robbie

10 to 15 years ago...yeah. These days? 99% of the programs are demanding tax forms and reporting your income.

Not a single program requested that from me, and I promote around 20 programs.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Nembrionic

More affiliates = more competition = more dilution = less sales.

Well not for those in porn. As I keep saying this would be applicable to outside porn.

The news was saying today $1 billion or close to it today will be spent online. It's Cyber Monday. That's a lot of money and great opportunities for employing people. Get rid of piracy or at least reduce it the minimum and the $1 billion could be dwarfed everyday.

Of course not online porn we're heading in the opposite direction.

[porno jew]

shit reminds me i have to get my cyber monday stuff up.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by porno jew

look at your own threads where you were trying to launch tgps and generate traffic. here it is half-decade later and you still have no clue. just a couple months training. easy huh?

as far as affiliates, why does manwin, who has more traffic than any company so far and by far and whose reach is larger than any mag or dvd company could dream of, still have an affiliate program, have affiliate reps and still cater to affiliates? THINK ABOUT IT.

Well looking around at the level of some here who post, it can't be that hard.

Do Manwin rely a lot on affiliate traffic or is it just a nice little top up not to be wasted. but not going to support the company?

Anyway again I have to point out this is no threat to you guys working from home and scraping a living. I'm thinking you're all very scared of this. This is for non porn sites. Stop thinking in your little box.

[pornmasta]

honnestly i wouldn't start now....

[Paul Markham]

The smell of people's fear is very strong here. Scared someone might come and take some of their sign ups?

And their biased thinking is also clear. Unemployed isn't reserved to the level some of you here think. University graduates, executives, skilled workers and more qualified people are being laid off today. Not just the great unwashed, unmotivated and ignorant mob as some here think.

So a University graduate, executive or skilled worker can't be taught to drive traffic? Stop being so arrogant, your posts don't reflect lots of skills, in fact some display a absence of skill.

Yes the hardcore 2-4% of unemployed are fit only for unemployment, sad reflection on society today. The rest have skills and proven they are motivated, intelligent and can succeed.

[porno jew]

man you are delusional. it really does get worse week after week.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So a University graduate, executive or skilled worker can't be taught to drive traffic? Stop being so arrogant, your posts don't reflect lots of skills, in fact some display a absence of skill.
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yeah i noticed that before i came, just after the previous crisis...

[VenzuelanChick]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

A lot of the unemployed need guidance and someone to be telling them exactly what to do, otherwise they would have already started something up (online or offline)...

[epitome]

I cannot sleep now. I am terrified the unemployed are going to steal my business.

[Nembrionic]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Well not for those in porn. As I keep saying this would be applicable to outside porn.

The news was saying today $1 billion or close to it today will be spent online. It's Cyber Monday. That's a lot of money and great opportunities for employing people. Get rid of piracy or at least reduce it the minimum and the $1 billion could be dwarfed everyday.

Of course not online porn we're heading in the opposite direction.

Who cares what market segment you're talking about. My statement holds true.

[Johny Traffic]

It's a good idea.

Especially if/when you look at the governments schemes in the UK to get the youngsters back to work.

Not sure about the rest of the world. But as an employer in the U.K, there are some very interesting opportunities coming about for employers to get untrained staff and the government helping pay their wages.

Training people from scratch, then not making you money and you paying wages is never going to be easy. But taking people on and the government paying their wages, or half becomes an interesting proposition.

It is something We'll be looking at over the next few months.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

It's a good idea.

Especially if/when you look at the governments schemes in the UK to get the youngsters back to work.

Not sure about the rest of the world. But as an employer in the U.K, there are some very interesting opportunities coming about for employers to get untrained staff and the government helping pay their wages.

Training people from scratch, then not making you money and you paying wages is never going to be easy. But taking people on and the government paying their wages, or half becomes an interesting proposition.

It is something We'll be looking at over the next few months.

CETA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compreh...d_Training_Act c. 1973 - 1982 was sort of like this in the USA but those receiving CETA jobs were hardly "the pick of the litter."