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StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18572402)
I hope you are not trying to guess who I support. :2 cents:



So, put all of the overseas US military personnel out of work?

Bring them home to protect our country, our land. Put them on the fucking U.S/Mexico border where we actually need help.

No one has a problem with our troops protecting the Pakistan/Afghanistan border when they should be protecting our own borders.

You fools just buy into the whole American imperialistic ideology. You actually believe we're supposed to be the world police and that there won't be any blowback from our foreign policy. Good luck with that! People from other countries hate us for occupying their lands with our bases and troops. Bring them the fuck home, that doesn't mean they won't have work to do.

IllTestYourGirls 11-19-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18572405)
Wanting others to have the freedom to live their life how they want makes one a LIBERAL. Ron Paul is the OPPOSITE of a liberal. He is a Constitutionalist that thinks the fed should stay out of shit but has no problem with the state RESTRICTING YOUR RIGHTS HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT.

Go back to fucking school.

You realize your state has a constitution that has almost all the exact same things the US constitution has in it right? So your rights would not be restricted. Maybe you should go back to school :winkwink:

IllTestYourGirls 11-19-2011 06:41 PM

Ron Paul said he would bring the troops home and keep them employed and reopen bases that have been closed in the US and house them there. Meaning more jobs, not less.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18572405)
Wanting others to have the freedom to live their life how they want makes one a LIBERAL. Ron Paul is the OPPOSITE of a liberal. He is a Constitutionalist that thinks the fed should stay out of shit but has no problem with the state RESTRICTING YOUR RIGHTS HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT.

Go back to fucking school.

Ron Paul is technically a libertarian, because he stands for LIBERTY over everything. Do you know what liberty means?

You confuse liberty with "wanting to smoke pot." It's not about smoking pot, it's about being able to live your life how you want without the government interfering in your life. Pretty simple shit.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18572407)
You realize your state has a constitution that has almost all the exact same things the US constitution has in it right? So your rights would not be restricted. Maybe you should go back to school :winkwink:

What is the point of the Constitution when we have corrupt government disobeying it?

Ever heard of the fucking Patriot Act? Something that your savior Obama extended? They can wire tap your phone or search your house without a warrant. Complete violations of the 4th amendment. But I doubt you care because you're all scared shitless of some cave monkeys coming to kill you that you give up your liberties for what you think is security.

Obama (and lots of presidents before him) use executive orders to sidestep congress. I bet you're okay with that as well.

You think it's all fun and games until you or one of your family members is locked up or killed by an executive order that is unconstitutional.

glamourmodels 11-19-2011 06:44 PM

LOL, I did not yell at you or call you a name, I just asked a question if you could be specific is all...


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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18572283)
Oh come on man? I love the guy but he has some fucked up ideas that would never in a million years fly. The fact that they would never fly is the only reason I'd be OK with him as President.

If Ron Paul had unilateral power to do everything the way he saw fit the USA would be a third world country in 8 years or less. Never mind his stance on social issues.


Coup 11-19-2011 06:44 PM

Ya want true freedom and liberty. get rid of the federal government.

IllTestYourGirls 11-19-2011 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18572414)
What is the point of the Constitution when we have corrupt government disobeying it?

Ever heard of the fucking Patriot Act? Something that your savior Obama extended? They can wire tap your phone or search your house without a warrant. Complete violations of the 4th amendment. But I doubt you care because you're all scared shitless of some cave monkeys coming to kill you that you give up your liberties for what you think is security.

Obama (and lots of presidents before him) use executive orders to sidestep congress. I bet you're okay with that as well.

You think it's all fun and games until you or one of your family members is locked up or killed by an executive order that is unconstitutional.

Dude, I agree with you. I was making the point that letting the states decide was not the end of liberty :thumbsup

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18572410)
Ron Paul said he would bring the troops home and keep them employed and reopen bases that have been closed in the US and house them there. Meaning more jobs, not less.

Exactly.

And less DEATHS as well.

People are always bent out of shape because Muslims are killing our troops with IED's on the side of the road... well, where is this happening? In the United States? NOPE... it's happening half way around the world WHERE OUR TROOPS HAVE NO FUCKING BUSINESS BEING IN THE FIRST PLACE. And people wonder why our troops are being killed every other day. GET THEM THE FUCK OUTTA THERE.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18572419)
Dude, I agree with you. I was making the point that letting the states decide was not the end of liberty :thumbsup

Although I quoted you my whole post wasn't directed at you.

Coup 11-19-2011 06:47 PM

Paultards just love authority and authority figures like ron paul. LOL

glamourmodels 11-19-2011 06:47 PM

Hmmm, I had not looked at it that way but you have convinced me. In fact, you make so much sense I think we should make war against the whole world and continually just bomb the fuck out of everybody. That way the bomb-makers will have to hire more workers to keep up. Of course... all the wounded vets returning will be missing limbs and shit or be emotionally fucked up which costs a lot to have to give them disability for life but hey fuck it, we are gonna fuck them over anyway right? Plus, since we are using depleted uranium shells now, hopefully they will die of cancer before not to long so problem solved. Capatalism at it's best. Thanks for the new perspective Dr. Strangelove :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18572295)
Crazy? no... Naive/unrealistic... Yes... What jobs are all those troops going to get? What about the jobs lost due to downsizing of the companies that supply the military? And how is the huge national security issue regarding the need for oil going to be served by not protecting/advancing those interests abroad? Until the energy issue is fixed, which will take a very long time even if the US started drilling locally today, there's no way they can pull troops/bases etc back home. So IMO his position is all about political support and not based in the reality of the situation.


StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:49 PM

Most people don't even understand that us having bases and troops in other people's countries is the reason people want to attack us in the FIRST PLACE!

This is a FACT.

Michael Schuer was the head of the CIA department of terrorism, and the world's utmost expert on Osama Bin Ladin. He has said this many times, they hate us because we occupy their lands with our military. Even Bin Ladin himself admitted that this is why they want to attack the United States. Wake the fuck up to the truth already, it's been way too long for you idiots to still be so goddamn ignorant.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18572424)
Paultards just love authority and authority figures like ron paul. LOL

https://gfy.com/image.php?u=117697&dateline=1312352897


StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18572418)
Ya want true freedom and liberty. get rid of the federal government.

I can't believe that someone who believes we should get rid of the federal government entirely thinks Ron Paul is crazy, that's basically his stance! Just not as extreme.

porno jew 11-19-2011 06:54 PM

yes it's either ron paul or imperialism, no other solution, meatheads ....

baddog 11-19-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18572406)
Bring them home to protect our country, our land. Put them on the fucking U.S/Mexico border where we actually need help.

Where would we house them?

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18572410)
Ron Paul said he would bring the troops home and keep them employed and reopen bases that have been closed in the US and house them there. Meaning more jobs, not less.

What about the bases that are no longer there?
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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18572420)
Exactly.

And less DEATHS as well.

Not necessarily. I remember during the first Gulf War they said more deaths occurred when they were at home. Oh, and not all of those bases are on the Mexican border, are they?

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:56 PM




glamourmodels 11-19-2011 06:57 PM

no more pics coup? c'mon, your handlers have taught you better than that LOL

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18572437)
Where would we house them?



What about the bases that are no longer there?


Not necessarily. I remember during the first Gulf War they said more deaths occurred when they were at home. Oh, and not all of those bases are on the Mexican border, are they?

Where would we house them? Is that really an issue? lol

What about bases that are no longer there? No longer where? Which bases? Don't know what you mean.

Let's get the troops home and out of other people's countries and THEN we'll figure out minor issues like "where to house them" etc.

How can more deaths occur if we bring the troops home? No one is attacking our troops on our own soil, they are killing our troops on FOREIGN land.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18572436)
yes it's either ron paul or imperialism, no other solution, meatheads ....

Who is the solution?

Obama? Obama might as well be Bush, NOTHING has changed in regards to our foreign policy or monetary policy. We even drop bombs on Pakistan every other day from unmanned drones which sometimes kill innocent civilians under Obama, WHO WAS GIVEN THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR FUCKS SAKE.

Who else would be the solution? Romney? Perry? Cain? Newt fucking Gingrich?? You gotta be fucking kidding me! MORE OF THE SAME!

Ron Paul is the only politician who consistently tells the truth about our situation. That's OBVIOUSLY why he is ignored and slandered. He is a serious threat to the corrupt establishment.

IllTestYourGirls 11-19-2011 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18572437)
Where would we house them?



What about the bases that are no longer there?


Not necessarily. I remember during the first Gulf War they said more deaths occurred when they were at home. Oh, and not all of those bases are on the Mexican border, are they?

Not sure, the question has never been raised so I don't believe I have heard him answer it. But my guess is rebuild them with the savings from ending the bombings of innocent women and children. Plus I am pretty sure, if you are in the national guard, you can live off base as well? :2 cents:

Bill8 11-19-2011 07:02 PM

Go for it republicans, nominate him.

Bet ya can't - so surprise me, surprise the whole world.

If he ran against Obama, I'd vote for him. He's the only half sane non-slimy person you republicans can get to run for the job so far.

Coup 11-19-2011 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by glamourmodels (Post 18572441)
no more pics coup? c'mon, your handlers have taught you better than that LOL


StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill8 (Post 18572449)
Go for it republicans, nominate him.

Bet ya can't - so surprise me, surprise the whole world.

If he ran against Obama, I'd vote for him. He's the only half sane non-slimy person you republicans can get to run for the job so far.

We all know he has practically no chance of getting the Republican nomination... but I hope to god that he will try to pull a Ross Perot this time and run as a 3rd party. He has the funding and the support.

Will he beat Obama or Romney (or whoever the GOP nominee is)? No, probably not unfortunately... but at least he could remain in the debates and continue spreading knowledge and truth to the American people so that more of them might wake up.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18572450)

Your attempts to make Ron Paul look bad don't even make sense. Tin foil hats have to do with people being afraid of aliens reading their minds or some shit like that, wtf does that have to do with Ron Paul? People like you make me sick, literally, physically sick.

IllTestYourGirls 11-19-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18572455)
We all know he has practically no chance of getting the Republican nomination... but I hope to god that he will try to pull a Ross Perot this time and run as a 3rd party. He has the funding and the support.

Will he beat Obama or Romney (or whoever the GOP nominee is)? No, probably not unfortunately... but at least he could remain in the debates and continue spreading knowledge and truth to the American people so that more of them might wake up.

Ron Paul can win.

Coup 11-19-2011 07:08 PM


glamourmodels 11-19-2011 07:08 PM

Actually, I am liberal more often than not but there are a lot of issues that would be considered conservative that I support. This is the real reason Obamanoids cling to him, they know Ron Paul would beat the piss out of him and they fear him. Notice he does better among Independents than Obama does. BTW- since these whackjobs call Paul supporters these idiotic names I just coined "Obamanoids" - it just popped in my head just now, should I register it? haha - has a ring to it, lets make it go viral haha


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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18572362)
We get it, most of you porn idiots are hardcore liberals and think bigger government and more spending is the solution.

Unfortunately you couldn't be more incorrect.


StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18572458)
Ron Paul can win.

Even if he did they'd probably kill him.

The international bankers don't fuck around. They attempted to kill Andrew Jackson twice for his efforts against their second bank. They had Lincoln killed after he sidestepped them and started printing greenbacks. They had JFK killed after he started speaking out about the banking scam and wrote an executive order to sidestep the Federal Reserve and start issuing silver certificates again.



For some reason people listen to this speech and say "oh, he's just talking about communism." You're damn right he's talking about communism, you think they want the New World Order to be a free constitutional republic? lol, yea right.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18572465)

http://www.pensacolafishingforum.com...rpaul_dees-jpg

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:13 PM

http://www.topplebush.com/humor/paulheart_dees.jpg

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:13 PM

Yay, posting pictures is fun, who needs writing.

glamourmodels 11-19-2011 07:14 PM

I have had that same conversation with Coup before and honestly if you ask me, Coup is completely full of shit. Noam Chomsky is cool. There is no way in hell Coup is a Chomsky supporter. I aint buying it. He just has that avatar for show, he probably just put it up there to make people think he is cool. Kind of like kids wearing Che Guevara t-shits but have no clue of what he stood for. Same deal.

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18572344)
Cool picture "Coup." Even your hero Noam Chomsky agrees with a lot of what Ron Paul says. Why? Because Chomsky is an intelligent man, obviously unlike yourself.

Fucking lames on an internet forum make fun of the only man trying to save this country from tyranny and economic collapse. You should be real proud of yourselves.

Now post some more stupid ass pictures you retards.


StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by glamourmodels (Post 18572481)
I have had that same conversation with Coup before and honestly if you ask me, Coup is completely full of shit. Noam Chomsky is cool. There is no way in hell Coup is a Chomsky supporter. I aint buying it. He just has that avatar for show, he probably just put it up there to make people think he is cool. Kind of like kids wearing Che Guevara t-shits but have no clue of what he stood for. Same deal.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Coup guy is an immature idiot.

Coup 11-19-2011 07:15 PM


Coup 11-19-2011 07:21 PM


Bill8 11-19-2011 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18572455)
We all know he has practically no chance of getting the Republican nomination... but I hope to god that he will try to pull a Ross Perot this time and run as a 3rd party. He has the funding and the support.

Go for it. I'd be very happy to have somebody to vote for besides obama. Otherwise I just have to throw my vote away.

betcha a hundred bucks it won't happen.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18572484)

If you knew anything about economics you would know that our country was doing great until we were taken off the gold standard in 1971. I would go find some charts that prove it but I doubt you even give a fuck.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18572493)

http://universalmysteries.co/wp-cont...ronp_dees1.jpg

glamourmodels 11-19-2011 07:32 PM

If that's really true, and assuming all that time was not wasted and you had the slightest clue about economics you would know that if Paul does not win the US will completely tank into a massive depression and all that other b.s. you posted wont mean a thing. Just sayin-

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18572374)
Aside from that, I have been interested in politics from the time I was 14 and the economy for a good 14+ years now


StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:32 PM

Ron Paul on the Housing Bubble ? July 2002

?Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the Free Housing Market Enhancement Act. This legislation restores a free market in housing by repealing special privileges for housing-related government sponsored enterprises (GSEs). These entities are the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie), the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie), and the National Home Loan Bank Board (HLBB). According to the Congressional Budget Office, the housing-related GSEs received $13.6 billion worth of indirect federal subsidies in fiscal year 2000 alone.

One of the major government privileges granted these GSEs is a line of credit to the United States Treasury. According to some estimates, the line of credit may be worth over $2 billion. This explicit promise by the Treasury to bail out these GSEs in times of economic difficulty helps them attract investors who are willing to settle for lower yields than they would demand in the absence of the subsidy. Thus, the line of credit distorts the allocation of capital. More importantly, the line of credit is a promise on behalf of the government to engage in a massive unconstitutional and immoral income transfer from working Americans to holders of GSE debt.

The Free Housing Market Enhancement Act also repeals the explicit grant of legal authority given to the Federal Reserve to purchase the debt of housing-related GSEs. GSEs are the only institutions besides the United States Treasury granted explicit statutory authority to monetize their debt through the Federal Reserve. This provision gives the GSEs a source of liquidity unavailable to their competitors.

Ironically, by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market. This is because the special privileges of Fannie, Freddie, and HLBB have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions. As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.

However, despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government?s interference in the housing market, the government?s policies of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificially-created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore, the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-investment in housing.

Perhaps the Federal Reserve can stave off the day of reckoning by purchasing GSE debt and pumping liquidity into the housing market, but this cannot hold off the inevitable drop in the housing market forever. In fact, postponing the necessary but painful market corrections will only deepen the inevitable fall. The more people invested in the market, the greater the effects across the economy when the bubble bursts.

No less an authority than Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has expressed concern that government subsidies provided to the GSEs make investors underestimate the risk of investing in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Mr. Speaker, it is time for Congress to act to remove taxpayer support from the housing GSEs before the bubble bursts and taxpayers are once again forced to bail out investors misled by foolish government interference in the market. I therefore hope my colleagues will stand up for American taxpayers and investors by cosponsoring the Free Housing Market Enhancement Act.?

http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-26/ro...ble-july-2002/

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by glamourmodels (Post 18572507)
If that's really true, and assuming all that time was not wasted and you had the slightest clue about economics you would know that if Paul does not win the US will completely tank into a massive depression and all that other b.s. you posted wont mean a thing. Just sayin-

I don't think these people have any idea what kind of economic trouble we're in.

Tempest 11-19-2011 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by glamourmodels (Post 18572425)
Hmmm, I had not looked at it that way but you have convinced me. In fact, you make so much sense I think we should make war against the whole world and continually just bomb the fuck out of everybody. That way the bomb-makers will have to hire more workers to keep up. Of course... all the wounded vets returning will be missing limbs and shit or be emotionally fucked up which costs a lot to have to give them disability for life but hey fuck it, we are gonna fuck them over anyway right? Plus, since we are using depleted uranium shells now, hopefully they will die of cancer before not to long so problem solved. Capatalism at it's best. Thanks for the new perspective Dr. Strangelove :thumbsup

Thank you for proving to me beyond a doubt that you're nothing more than a troll.

StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:35 PM


glamourmodels 11-19-2011 07:35 PM

what does posting psycho-babble have to do with Ron Pauls positions or the issue at hand? Talk about irrelevant information... LOL

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18572323)
Johnson-Laird suggests that delusions may be viewed as the natural consequence of failure to distinguish conceptual relevance. That is, the person takes irrelevant information and puts it in the form of disconnected experiences, then it is taken to be relevant in a manner that suggests false causal connections. Furthermore, the person takes the relevant information, in the form of counterexamples, and ignores it.[24]


porno jew 11-19-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by glamourmodels (Post 18572518)
what does posting psycho-babble have to do with Ron Pauls positions or the issue at hand? Talk about irrelevant information... LOL

has to do with you. :2 cents:

Coup 11-19-2011 07:37 PM


StickyGreen 11-19-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18572525)

http://www.palaceofwisdom.net/images...itfed_dees.jpg

Coup 11-19-2011 07:41 PM



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