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11-19-2011, 11:48 AM

Russia stands by Assad as pressure mounts on Syria
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/1...7AF09Y20111117

Report: Russia warships to enter Syrian waters in bid to stem foreign intervention
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...ntion-1.396359

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11-19-2011, 11:52 AM

Good, let those morons do it instead of us.

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11-19-2011, 12:45 PM

We have a navy base there. So what's a reason of all that panic?

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11-19-2011, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Harmon

Good, let those morons do it instead of us.

Perhaps you should read the article.. the Russians aren't there to help the rest of the world.. They are there to support Syria.

Just another case of the Russian govt trying to feel big in a world they are not so big in anymore..

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11-19-2011, 12:47 PM

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Good, let those morons do it instead of us.

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11-19-2011, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Perhaps you should read the article.. the Russians aren't there to help the rest of the world.. They are there to support Syria.

He's just too stupid to read anything.

Originally posted by crockett

Just another case of the Russian govt trying to feel big in a world they are not so big in anymore..

I don't understand what exactly you mean on "big". Russia is still the biggest country in the World and it has about the same nuke power as the USA (don't you really think that in case of WWIII people will fight using Y-shaped sticks, right?)

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11-19-2011, 12:59 PM

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11-19-2011, 01:02 PM

I didn't read shit. Fuck the Russians too.

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11-19-2011, 01:03 PM

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He's just too stupid to read anything.

I don't understand what exactly you mean on "big". Russia is still the biggest country in the World and it has about the same nuke power as the USA (don't you really think that in case of WWIII people will fight using Y-shaped sticks, right?)

Right. Russia kicks ass. Thats why an army of 100,000+ with MIGs, tanks, attack helicopters, artillery, armored troop transports and so on, couldn't subdue a handful of uneducated, poorly armed Chechens with only AKs, RPG's and sniper rifles in less than 2 wars and almost a decade of trying.

But sure, they have an ailing nuclear stockpile, much of which can't even be accounted for. We'll just assume they have it.

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11-19-2011, 01:12 PM

BREAKING NEWS

Hulking piles of painted rust limp into Syrian waters. Several Russian crew members are arrested by Russian Military Police for selling the ships supplies to locals. World remains unimpressed.

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11-19-2011, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by TheSquealer

Right. Russia kicks ass. Thats why an army of 100,000+ with MIGs, tanks, attack helicopters, artillery, armored troop transports and so on, couldn't subdue a handful of uneducated, poorly armed Chechens with only AKs, RPG's and sniper rifles in less than 2 wars and almost a decade of trying.

But sure, they have an ailing nuclear stockpile, much of which can't even be accounted for. We'll just assume they have it.

Oh the irony.
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11-19-2011, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

He's just too stupid to read anything.

I don't understand what exactly you mean on "big". Russia is still the biggest country in the World and it has about the same nuke power as the USA (don't you really think that in case of WWIII people will fight using Y-shaped sticks, right?)

What I mean is Russia has lost it's relevance that it had as the USSR.. Yea they still have a military and nukes but they are still not what they used to be. Hell it wasn't til just a few years ago that Russia's Navy was still mothballed.

Their Naval power is still very slim at best.. The US for example has 11 active aircraft carriers while Russia has 1. With Submarines they are doing a "little" better with 16 active compared to the US's 50+.

This means Russia can't really project power around the globe as they did in the past..

Hence the reason I say "trying to feel big in a world they are not so big in anymore".

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11-19-2011, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by TheSquealer

Right. Russia kicks ass. Thats why an army of 100,000+ with MIGs, tanks, attack helicopters, artillery, armored troop transports and so on, couldn't subdue a handful of uneducated, poorly armed Chechens with only AKs, RPG's and sniper rifles in less than 2 wars and almost a decade of trying.

Are you an idiot? Chechens are in RUSSIA. Do you suggest nuke them or just do a total genocide like the Americans did to Indians? Sorry, but we are in 21th century and we can't kill every Chechen just because of their nationality. Once again, we are not Americans and Chechens are not Indians (we are not that barbarians). As about any EXTERNAL menace, so yes - Russia has enough nukes to wipe off any country at least 10 times in a row. Do you think another opinion?

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11-19-2011, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by TheSquealer

Hulking piles of painted rust limp into Syrian waters.

LOL

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11-19-2011, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Are you an idiot? Chechens are in RUSSIA. Do you suggest nuke them or just do a total genocide like the Americans did to Indians? Sorry, but we are in 21th century and we can't kill every Chechen just because of their nationality. Once again, we are not Americans and Chechens are not Indians (we are not that barbarians). As about any EXTERNAL menace, so yes - Russia has enough nukes to wipe off any country at least 10 times in a row. Do you think another opinion?

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11-19-2011, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Just another case of the Russian govt trying to feel big in a world they are not so big in anymore..

I guess similar things said many countries through history, but soon learned how arrogant and stupid they were.

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11-19-2011, 01:31 PM

Yeah it was just a civil satellite. That time...

But once again, in case of WWIII, no one will be using "100,000+ with MIGs, tanks, attack helicopters, artillery, armored troop transports and so on" against the real EXTERNAL enemy. At least according to the official Russian military doctrine which isists using of tactical nukes even in "small conflicts" (e.g. against aircraft carriers).

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11-19-2011, 01:32 PM

Maybe, they are sailing in to retrieve their toys from Assad?

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov asserts that a civil war is coming in Syria -- choosing sides?
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11-19-2011, 01:34 PM

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not hard to guess you were a member of Nashi.

I have no relation to "Nashi", "Vashi" or whatever. I just learned the military science when I was younger and I have an officer rank in Russian military reserve.

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11-19-2011, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Harmon

Good, let those morons do it instead of us.

Us ?

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(like almost every major countries in fact)

But seriously, it would be a good thing that Russia takes care of this "matter".
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11-19-2011, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by crockett

What I mean is Russia has lost it's relevance that it had as the USSR..

There is no USSR anymore, but it doesn't change anything. Russia is the only post-USSR country that have all the nuclear potential of Soviet Union. Everything doesn't matter.

Yea they still have a military and nukes but they are still not what they used to be. Hell it wasn't til just a few years ago that Russia's Navy was still mothballed.

Originally posted by crockett

Their Naval power is still very slim at best.. The US for example has 11 active aircraft carriers while Russia has 1.

One nuke - one carrier. Easy arithmetic, isn't it? According to the US sources, only one old good battle cruiser like "Moskva" equipped with Granit is able to destroy at least two aircraft carriers.

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11-19-2011, 01:47 PM

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With Submarines they are doing a "little" better with 16 active compared to the US's 50+.

I guess you don't much about subs. Its not the quantity that counts. Akula subs are faster and dive deeper than any US sub.

Their shkval tarpedos are unmatched by any.

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11-19-2011, 01:48 PM

Are these nukes and what is their range ?

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11-19-2011, 01:49 PM

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I guess similar things said many countries through history, but soon learned how arrogant and stupid they were.

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11-19-2011, 01:55 PM

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You keep mentioning what the Americans did to the Indians

But they aren't, yes?

Originally posted by Jesus H Christ

but fail to mention what the NKVD did to the Ukrainians.

What exactly they did against them. Pleas enlighten me. Do you know the most suffered nation because of Stalin's repression? Try to guess how many Russians were killed by the Stalin's regime and try to compare it with others. You will be veeeeeeeeeeery surprised.

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You also failed to mention how the American Indians secret weapon killed millions of white/black Americans..

I have no info about that, sorry. May be you will tell us something about that? Please speak, don't be shy

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11-19-2011, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by halfpint

Are these nukes and what is their range ?

Just a rusty junk I guess

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11-19-2011, 01:59 PM

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11-19-2011, 01:59 PM

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The Indians secret weapon not only killed millions of Americans, but Russians too.

Syphilis wasn't Indian

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11-19-2011, 02:05 PM

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...black Americans..

Sounds like you are talking about some slave offspring... How exactly the black people became the Americans? Another shame history no one is wanna speak about?

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11-19-2011, 02:09 PM

Think im gonna start to learn Chinese lol

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11-19-2011, 02:09 PM

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The English brought them over. Those damn Brits are like poison.

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11-19-2011, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Their Naval power is still very slim at best.. The US for example has 11 active aircraft carriers while Russia has 1. With Submarines they are doing a "little" better with 16 active compared to the US's 50+.

Sorry but just one more question. How many subs are needed to wipe out a whole coast of some "potential enemy country"?

Can at least one of all those 50+ US subs launch 16 ballistic nuke missiles at once (about 700 of a raw weight)? Personally I have serious doubts about that...

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11-19-2011, 02:29 PM

What are you saying? Russia is going to stand against the "west" ? Is that it?
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11-19-2011, 02:37 PM

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What are you saying? Russia is going to stand against the "west" ? Is that it?

I believe Russia doesn't give a shit about "west" (actually I don't really know what does "west" mean these days), but Russia surely has its own interests in Syria (not in Assad or any other asshat else as a person). This is what I'm saying.

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11-19-2011, 02:40 PM

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Can at least one of all those 50+ US subs launch 16 ballistic nuke missiles at once (about 700 of a raw weight)? Personally I have serious doubts about that...

One Seawolf class sub can launch 50 tomahawk missiles, so what difference does it make? Nobody is going to start launching nuclear missiles at each other. We dont care about Syria.
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11-19-2011, 02:41 PM

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What are you saying? Russia is going to stand against the "west" ? Is that it?

The question is does "west" wants to fuck around with Russians? Its not Iraq or Panama we will be facing.
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11-19-2011, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Si

What are you saying? Russia is going to stand against the "west" ? Is that it?

Russia wouldent stand a chance against the west but Russia and China together would

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11-19-2011, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Mr Pheer

One Seawolf class sub can launch 50 tomahawk missiles

Tomahawk is not a ballistic missile. RTFM.

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11-19-2011, 02:46 PM

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Nobody is going to start launching nuclear missiles at each other.

Lets hope not lol the USA has done so in the past

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11-19-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

I believe Russia don't give a shit about "west" (actually I don't really know what does "west" means these days), but Russia surely has its own interests in Syria (not in Assad or any other asshat else personally). This is what I'm saying.

It all depends if Russia believe that they are further down on the same hitlist, in which case they might not wait until they are the last ones left

World Wars are useful to the Bankers as it gives them the opportunity to reshape the world, people will easily accept major changes when coming out of a World War. If we had a world war, the cards would be shuffled, and perhaps the Bankers will come out with their United Nations in control

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11-19-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

I believe Russia doesn't give a shit about "west" (actually I don't really know what does "west" mean these days), but Russia surely has its own interests in Syria (not in Assad or any other asshat else as a person). This is what I'm saying.

I don't know either to be honest, it's one of them words conspiracy nuts seem to like using though. Thought it might be appropriate in this thread.

Not going into your second point until WHP responds, want to see what he is actually trying to "say" rather than what he is typing.

Originally posted by Just Alex

The question is does "west" wants to fuck around with Russians? Its not Iraq or Panama we will be facing.

Don't think Russia wants any problems either to be quite honest.
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11-19-2011, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by halfpint

Russia wouldent stand a chance against the west but Russia and China together would

Actually not. In 21th century you don't need a big army to deal with enemy. Nuclear weapon is the only power. Everything else for banana-country-level conflicts. Why can't you understand it?

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11-19-2011, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by halfpint

Lets hope not lol the USA has done so in the past

Against defenseless nation. I think it will be very different if it happens against the Russians.
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11-19-2011, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Actually not. In 21th century you don't need a big army to deal with enemy. Nuclear weapon is the only power. Everything else for banana-country-level conflicts. Why can't you understand it?

If it ever did come down to a nuclear war between Russia and the west which i hope it never does btw, the west would oblitirate Russia whith nukes. Combined the west has far more nukes and weaponary tech advances than Russia

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11-19-2011, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Si

Don't think Russia wants any problems either to be quite honest.

Thats why they are trying to get there first and protect their interests before Obama and friends decides to bring more "democracy" to ragheads in the middle east. Russians lost a shit load of money and contracts in Iraq and now Libya. I don't think they are too excited to lose more in Syria in the name of "western democracy".
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11-19-2011, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by halfpint

If it ever did come down to a nuclear war between Russia and the west which i hope it never does btw, the west would oblitirate Russia whith nukes. Combined the west has far more nukes and weaponary tech advances than Russia

Boy, you're fucking clueless.

Russia possesses the largest stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in the world.
Russia also has a large but unknown number of tactical nuclear weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_...ss_destruction

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11-19-2011, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Mr Pheer

One Seawolf class sub can launch 50 tomahawk missiles, so what difference does it make? Nobody is going to start launching nuclear missiles at each other. We dont care about Syria.

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11-19-2011, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by cyberxxx

Tomahawk is not a ballistic missile. RTFM.

It doesnt need to be. It can carry a nuclear warhead and it flies low enough to avoid air defense.

This whole thread is starting to sound like a bunch of Star Trek nerds arguing with Star Wars nerds.
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11-19-2011, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by halfpint

Lets hope not lol the USA has done so in the past

Man, you drop 2 atomic bombs on a country and you just never hear the end of it.
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