SureFire

Just asking, if gutterboy said ?female? rather than ?Asian? inferiority complex strikes again? How many of you guys & gals would be offended or make some more snide remarks about women in this business?

IMO, after scanning the posts here and on the other board, this thread?s name says it right. Forget about color of skin or ethnic background, the adult model got flamed for posting like she does on most forums. I don?t know her in person or on the internet (just what I read), but she is comes across as a women who uses her cultural for her own gain.

She butted into a conversation that had nothing to do with ?how low to you go to sell sex,? but trashes a porn business in public that is competition. Kind of reminds me on another forum where she trashed a designer for less than $35.00. On another forum, where she trashed an white male for exploiting Asian girls. And on another forum, she tells a new webmistress to F-off.

Enough said. Ignore my post or flame me but don?t preach about not being racist. (Just look how some of you post an ugly girl or a pretty girl and talk about it.)

Bottom line, morals don?t count in religion or in the porn industry.

JMO

Gutterboy

No need to lose your temper. What are you, Italian or something?

L0stMind

Well, surefire...

Firstof all, gutterboy DIDNT say woman instead of asian. Either would have bothered me, but fuck, wuteva.

Second, how in the world is herfirstgangbang.com competing against chinatowngirls.com???

Kiko didnt bash a competitor, she bashed a guy who she didnt like and a site that she had a problem with.

Flame the girl all you want - I dont care, she aint my girl. Besides, she seems to be able to handle her own. But defending gutterboys' racist statement? come on. is your head up your ass?

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So does my girlfriend... shh, we don't have to tell her about us.

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rowan

Doesn't having <a href="http://www.wefuckinpublic.com/new/pages/24.html" target="_blank">Dominique</a> and <a href="http://www.wefuckinpublic.com/new/pages/10.html" target="_blank">Sabrina</a> on your tour for 'wefuckinpublic.com' kind of undermine the non-nude aspect of their respective sites?

SureFire

I am not defending gutterboy, I was just asking a question. I know that girl can hold her own. I was just wondering why people got offended.

Please forgive me but, in the sex industry isn't every other promoter competition? I believe you said that how could herfirstgangbang.com competing against chinatowngirls.com. herfirstgangbang.com preview shows a world map.

I am not flaming her, just saying that she is bordering the limits of promoting herself on webmasters' forums and sometimes gets herself in trouble.

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Ok I cant hold it in any longer ..... I've just gotta ask :


What is with the Fishooking thing anyway?

Whats it spose to be or mean? - I havent really looked at the sites a lot

but I just dont get it?

...and its not just me - everyone else I aksed said they didnt know what it's all about either (they just liek pretend they know what its about to save face lol)

so now I am curious as hell

can you guys explain it to me?

Thnx

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Fishhooking looks to me like a girl is held in place from behind and her mouth forced open in order for some guy to jizz in her mouth, seemingly against her will. (thus the fish-hooking is needed).

It strikes me that it's a lot like those vids you see where:
girl gives guy head
guy grabs girl by the back of her head
guy forces girl to swallow his cock
guy slams girl's head onto his cock repeatedly, choking and gagging her
girl's eyes tear up, tears stream down her face
guy comes in her throat as girl gags and chokes


Fish-hooking would be in the same genre slot as that I would think. It's forced sex, acted out by paid actors, but it's real enough.


And I don't agree that "most guys like it" or "like to view it".... I'd hate to think that that sort of degredation was anything that the majority would be interested in.




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But I'm still not in favor of calling in the censor police on it. As long as those girls stand up, smile and walk away happy after the shoots, who are we to judge it unfit for viewing??

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Thanks CD - yes I thought that may have been what it is spose to be

i couldnt think of anythign it else it could be - but you never know these days some ppl have some weird fetishes

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yes its real - and you are right -its "acted "

if a girl REALLY didnt want to have a cock thrust down her throat she could just do what I would do :

BITE THAT FUCKER OFF !!

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SureFire

Thought you didn't know about fish-hooking? So if the girl bit it off would you still pay her?

Kiko_Wu

Seems the conversation has gotten to the point where the original comments have totally been forgotten. Just to get it back on track before I get back to work. This is the thread:

http://www.hahahahahahaha.net/phpBB2...hp?t=912#11768

The "xxxxxxxxxxx" should be "2000" signifying the number of members they have.

Easton repeatedly expressed in several threads a desire for me to model for his company. I politely declined until I saw his sites. I didn't like the sites, and I felt they reflected on his character. I told him in no uncertain terms what I thought of the sort of person who would be involved with those sort of sites. There was no mention of censoring them, or even of legality- It was one person saying "I don't like your sites and I don't like you". The result was several threats, (some of which were deleted) of assault at the next industry function- a very professional response for someone representing a sizable online company to post in a public forum.

Unfortunately before I could write a response the forum was locked- effectively giving Easton and his groupies the "last word". The forum was also later edited to protect Easton from some of his ill advised comments. The thread remains intact for now and hopefully the mods will not yield to pressure and remove it. I have plans for it:-)

There may or not be a place in the industry for sites like the ones in question- they are certainly legal. But I am no obligation to be the least bit civil to the kind of men who run them or spare their feelings. No one ever minced words telling me what they think of what I do as an Adult model- why on earth would I spare Easton when I find what he does repugnant?

The sites my company runs are widely known. If you object to people who are willing to stand up and fight for what they believe to be right just don't do business with us.

A dozen times a day I get emails from men who want to curse me out for whatever reason, I don't go off on a two day crying jag on a half dozen different boards like Easton did whining "Kiko was mean to me- I'm going to get her good". I certainly don't resort to threatening people who don't like what I do. I said my piece, I knew is was unpopular, I took my lumps and I stand by my comments. I'm not going to waste a dozen posts complaining about it. Easton- someone said they didn't like you and what you do. Get over it already...

As for the rest of my detractors, go find your own fight. Anyone can say "me too!" and jump on board with the pack. Try standing on your own two feet sometime.

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Daen

Does anyone else find the irony of one pornographer morally judging another pornographer amusing?

If, however, you are beyond reproach then I suppose you are entitled to judge.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/arch.../07/0000088977

So flashing kids in a public place is OK. If you live in a glass house maybe you should stop throwing stones.

Pipecrew

I have said it before and I will say it again, You cant mess with
Kiko_wu, I have yet not seen her make an excellent point/argument

TurboTrucker

Racist

www.m-w.com

Look it up.

Anybody that thinks that somebody saying "asians are this, arabs are that et cetera..." is racist truely has NO comprehension of the word.

Please, don't use words that you don't know the meaning of.

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Hey TurboTrucker:

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

GOFUCKYOURSELF

Or perhaps read the fucking entry yourself

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Kiko_Wu

Yes. Anyone who knows me knows that I would flash kids in a public place. It's printed on the internet so it must be true.

"Me too me too. I can't take Kiko on my own but if I get lots and lots of people with me and scrape up little facts of distorted info maybe I can look just a little bit better."

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Gutterboy

TurboTrucker

How does his post discriminate against her?

His post was a stereotype.

If I say black guys have big dicks, does that make me a racist?

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Daen

Is this the sound of breaking glass?

psyko514

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Kimmykim

You know what girl, until you took the time to type instead of thinking, there were probably a few people quietly on your side, including me, not that it matters to you. But you just can't stop until you drive a hammer thru your own head sometimes, and that is the only issue I've ever had with your way of doing things.

You've been smart and run a great business for years, but you know what, there is NO fucking reason to act like Tony Soprano in this business because this is business, not tv.

You get by in life with what God gave you, if that's not enough then figure out how to make something more of it on your own.

You wanna be a hothead and let everyone get the best of you, by all means, tie a concrete block around your own foot.

mpegposter

Amen to that.

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foolio

You have no fucing idea what you are talking about. There are a ton of non-nude legal aged girl sites out there. And most of them do not try to go for the kiddie look. Lots of import girls, video girls and just struggling model sites out there.

speak what you know.

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L0stMind

TT - you know as well as I do that racial stereotypes are a form of racism.

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Is racism.

"Asian inferiority complex strikes again."

Is a racial stereotype. Please explain to me how this is not racism?

Racism is based on racial stereotypes. If it isn't, please educate me.

Besides, what am I supposed to called a person who is making sweeping stereotypical comments? A stereotyper? Come on! Racist, bigot - these words have tons more impact

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foolio

Really? That makes them scumbags? So unless the girls get nude they are scumbags? AFIK the girls on their non-nude sites are legal. Do you know they are not?

Just because some girls do not want to show their kook to anybody who wants to see and has a buck does not make them scumbags....

And no, I do not own or promote any non-nude sites, so I could care less. I just think you are way off in this part of your attack.

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kaylacam

NOT taking a side, but curious here...You WERE naked, it IS a public place...how did you make sure no one underage saw you? I am all for outdoor shots, I have a few in my members area as well, but unless I can look and SEE that there are not minors around, I do not do it (EX: ALWAYS have requests for me to flash at Disneyland since I go there a lot, but I won't ruin a families vacation for a photo)...I think Kiko presents herself rather well on some points, but I hardly think that a public board was the correct way to decline Easton's offer to model on their sites...that is what we have EMAIL for...

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Gutterboy

On my 1-10 impact scale you are currently running around a .2

Actually I'm sorta impressed Kiko didn't take the bait, which is more than I can say for some.

TurboTrucker

Now you can't tell me that different races don't have character traits. That's not a bad thing, certainly not racist, that just means we're different.

If I say one race has a different characteristic than another, that is not racist, it is just highlighting a difference.

Now I'll concede and say his statement is tainted with prejudice, I still wouldn't be so quick to label it racist myself. To me racist is a very strong word.

I just get tired of people yelling racist this, racist that. Pretty soon the word won't even mean anything.

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webgurl

hey, lostmind so how nice for us to meet in here
that dude is loser forget him he has no idea what the fuk he's talking about

Gutterboy

Thank you TT. I would like to let you know just how much I appreciate your common sense, tenacity, and the spirited defense of my post you have set forth against these knee jerk racism charges. That is why I'm sorry to have to tell you that I am in fact a rabid, foaming at the mouth racist.

Thank you for your support tho

TurboTrucker

You know, you're absolutely right. I think, wait - what did you say?

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TurboTrucker

Shit, well in that case nevermind.

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L0stMind

Heh, here is the problem TT...

"all male figure skaters are gay" is a stereotype with no racial connotation to it.. definitely not racist.

"Asian inferiority complex strikes again."

massive racial connotation.. strikes me as racist.

Sad fact is, most people are racist, in some form or another. Hell, yellow, black, brown, red, white - we are all guilty of it. This is why the word gets tossed around so much.

And Gutterboy...

I think the reason you havent heard anything from Kiko is because she is more intelligent then I am and realises an idiot such as yourself is not worth wasting words on. You obviously don't give a shit, never will so why bother?

A guy like TT on the other hand, obviously has some sparkle of intelligence in there... although he does seem to be rather details oriented.

Oh, and hey webgurl.

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Gutterboy

I think we can agree there...

Good question. I'm amazed this thread is still going myself.

Entertaining tho

<IMX>

Because everyone thinks they know what the fuck they are talking about, so they want to rush and get their half-penny out of two cents, without reading the thread.

The main antagonist has retreated as far as you can, asking for the thread to be deleted, edited etc.

Yet, no one wants to address those comments anymore. Interesting what people pick and choose to make comments on. I guess you have to be a silent victim lol.

Fucking hilarious matter of fact.

I agree very high entertainment value. I don't mind bumping.

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Que?

Possibly because anyone, especially in a moral argument loose credibility (in my opinion) if they use invectives. If your opinion is just, there is no need for the name calling bullshit. Or you might come across as someone looking for a suitable punchbag to release some steam on. At least I do not think that one moral wrong justifies another.

And in this case I think you deserved what ever was thrown back at you whether your target deserved his bit or not. Maybe you were looking for some verbal abuse? Classic release of various guilt feelings

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Kiko_Wu

As I said Kimmy, no one ever feels obliged to mince words when speaking to or about models. Posters curse out models call them all sluts and dumb whores but if someone says something about a webmaster it's a four page thread? Talent is bad mouthed every hour on the hour around here- but when it's a webmaster it's no longer "cricket"? Give me a break if I'm not exactly shedding a tear for Easton.

Most of the women in this business are too eager trying to differentiate themselves from talent to be the least bit concerned about how they are treated. Speaking up for them in a place like GFY is hardly going to make me popular (not that I even initiated the discussion here). The issues that are important to me are clearly different than the ones that are important to you, but when you fought your battles I don't recall interfering Kimmy or using my name to give credibility to your detractors.

I could just as easily do a morning after analysis of every post you made during those arguments. I show some professional courtesy and yes, even a little gender unity on occasion and let you fight for what you believe in without interfering or trying to piggyback my name onto the discussion.

How many women speaking about this subject have said "I don't want to take sides..." which is about one step down from "Math makes my head hurt". That's what arguments are for- taking sides. Fighting for what you believe to be right to explore different ideas. Arguing is GOOD. Learning without arguing is like dancing without a partner. Having an opinion is not a personality flaw. It's not good for business, but it's not a personality flaw.

Having a absolutely universal industry headset that "If it makes money and is legal it's okay" is not particularly helpful because it makes us look like a single homogenous unit with no internal dialog. Couple amateur sites in the same league as Max Hardcore simply because they both share the same arbitrary label of "porn". Some people agree with this but I believe that ethical standards are one of the primary ways to differentiate between Adult business models.

It's easy to say "everything is okay" when you don't intend to be personally responsible for it. If you work under a pseudonym, no one outside the industry knows what you look like or what you do, or even just live in the suburbs where you don't come in direct contact with large numbers of people- then what's to worry about? The only people who will judge you are other pornographers. Some people go to extremes and don't even let other pornographers judge them- make sure their profile does not contain anything about their business or their sites before going on the attack in a forum.

I have my face plastered on the front page of the highest traffic Asian porn model paysite on the net. When I ride the subway, go to school, go shopping- I routinely meet people who know exactly who I am and what I do. I've now done several interviews for mainstream publications where I have had to put what my company does and how it does it an a context that would be palatable to a mainstream reader. I don't give myself the luxury of hiding behind a computer saying "anything goes" knowing that I will seldom if ever be directly confronted with a person who questions the way I make my money.

Totally anonymity is a warm blanket but it doesn't exactly inspire the highest ethical standards. Those who cling to it as a buffer against culpability shouldn't be so eager to bash those of us who put our face on our business and routinely have to answer for it in the real world.

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Smegma

Didn't that chick in the first Mission Impossible movie say that.. Yo - that was a dope movie ya'all.. word to your mothers uncle!

I can totally ride a motorcycle like Tom Cruise in that movie. I don't really own one, but it can't be much different than my slick BMX sled.


Math does make my head hurt...

Edited several times for grammer and spelling mistakes.

Jakke PNG

diversity = good
if everyone would do the same shit.. well..

model talent.. what's that? Don't they just have to look good, and do what the photographer says?

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BVF

if kiko-wutang sells her ass on the net and gets paid, I don't care how "classy" she tries to make it. To the average whitebread american citizen in the bible belt that doesn't know any better, she's a dirty stank whore...

Whoever the other dude was who is fishhooking the bitches gets called a rotten bastard by those same white bread americans....

I sell black pussy on the net...I don't really do hardcore...but does that matter when I told my mama what I did? It certainly didn't. She was STILL pissed and she's pissed to this day.

Just like I said earlier....If you sell Cocaine, don't think you're better than the Heroin dealer around the corner.....

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xxxdesign-net

your analogy is a bit twisted dude...

there's nothing wrong with porn... whatever some christian groups might tell you...
DEgrading/abusing women however is wrong for many reasons...

cocain and heroin are both wrong... for many reasons...

chodadog

Black people are colored!

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BVF

No sir, it's YOUR reasoning that is flawed. You just came out with "porn isn't wrong". That's YOUR OPINION..To the general population, that isn't the case.

Then you say that cocaine and heroin is wrong...Most people think the same thing...but there is a subculture that buys and sells it that DOESN'T think it's wrong...Do you think the Mexican cartel has a problem with shipping cocaine?

Fix your mind...Put yourself in other's shoes...Maybe you won't be seeing the world through those foggy goggles that you're using now.

I'm done with you and your flawed logic...Respond all you want....You will get no retort from me.

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What about cocaine for medicinal purposes?

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xxxdesign-net

hehe...

wow... you should know that somethimes... the general population share a certain opinion not based on facts and logic... but because of different reasons... like, history/culture, religion, etc...
If those are good enough reasons for you to think that porn is bad.... you're a fool and what are you doing here...

If you thing that porn is not bad... but degrading/abusing women is... Why cant you denonce it...!? because some chritians guys think that porn is also bad... and that makes you believe that you're not better than the others...?

Me... flawed logic...? oh well...

xxxdesign-net

Do you think the Mexican cartel has a problem with killing innocent people that are in their way...? maybe not...

Does that make it ok because criminals think its ok...?

Jakke PNG

yes.. of course!
What a fucking stupid question.

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Pornwolf

Kiko's so feisty... and smart too. I'm getting turned on.

I'd really like to give her a hard link...

China Town Girls

...but not that's not exactly the kinda 'link' I really have in mind.

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