PROOF That The Towers Weren't Destroyed - Over and Over

Valid question. Who let them in, or gave them access?

Which ones? Those who think a bunch of ragheads controlled by a dude in a cave fresh out of dialysis were able to by-pass the most sophisticated defense systems in the world four times in one day, ultimately hitting the most highly secure and defended building on the planet?

Or like the people who think there's something fishy about that conspiracy theory (hypothesis actually, since theories need some facts to establish them as such)?

Sorry I meant it as an expression, not literal. There were very few actual explosions that day, apparently meant to take out super-reinforced basements and such infrastructure.

Actually it's not the only one, but those that "show" it doesn't are obviously not set up properly. Professionals wouldn't sprinkle some thermite around like the TV show "experts" did and expect it to have an effect...

You've seen "videos" that contradict the laws of physics and demonstrate that turpentine can melt/weaken steal in an open environment? I'd love to see those...

Well actually no none of "that shit" has been debunked by anyone... the point of that video is to show how the "real experts" debunked and contradicted each other.

And you apparently bothered typing out a reply.

My brain is fine, btw. It thinks, it doubts, it doesn't drink the Kool Aid.

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Temperature didn't even get hot enough to reach the official melting temp of steel. And yet within a few minutes it weakened and collapsed. Who knows what temperatures would have been reached in an enclosed environment. I'm sure there's lots of thing out there to say this test is invalid or whatever, but at the end of the day, no one can say with any certainty what happened in those buildings and so this is just as valid as any other theory.

Most GFY members appear to have made up their minds one way or another on 9/11. If a person places their trust in authority/religion, it will always be difficult to get them to consider evidence that proves the authority/religion to have lied. Some people would need to first have a mental breakdown before they would let go of their current world paradigm.

However, we are now entering a stage where many nice paradigm's are about to be shattered. It will be interesting to see how people's views evolve over the next 12 to 18 months. The UN funded OWS movement is an ominous sign that the Elite are about to trigger some of their nasty plans.

Here's the thing, Greggy ol' chap... the first I don't know... 20 seconds, has "eyewitness" reports of people hearing explosions.

The thing is, most people have never heard what an explosion really sounds like. We've all heard it in the movies, but in real life? Most likely, never.

Even worse, these people are not "eye witnesses" to anything at all. They HEARD what SOUNDED LIKE an explosion. A very fast rush of vibrating air is what you hear during an explosion, but lots of other things can cause the same thing, such as, the COMPRESSION of air due to pressure, heat etc.

The clown in this video has his owned agenda and is clearly heading towards proving his own theory and doesn't approach the tower collapse with an open mind at all.

This is interesting, excepting that there were no "fire pits" in the WTC, most of the fuel was consumed outside the buildings, and that tests by UL reproducing those conditions didn't produce anything near the same "conditions".

The other thing is that no matter where one or two or even a dozen "fire pits" could have been somehow reproduced on that day, they couldn't have reduced all joints, columns and supports to "softness" at the same time to create the symmetrical, jolt-free collapses we saw.

And besides, FEMA and NIST both deny claims that the steel could have reached that fail-safe poiint, globally and uniformally...

That's as misguided an attempt at "experiment" or reproducing the events as sprinkling thermite over the beams (the way the tv "experts" did).

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again my god

Gee...can't imagine why after what?... 10 years or so, this company isn't a raging success and the default video chat solution. I mean, after all, its ran by such normal, well rounded and intelligent people.

When you have a set opinion it's easy to poke holes in something else but that doesn't mean it didn't happen in some way... No one knows what what going on in there and there's lots of possibilities... The one thing the video proves is that the entire 'laws of physics" argument is invalid since it shows that steel will weaken at temperatures far below it's melting point ie 2000F vs 2600F and that it only takes a few minutes for a collapse to occur at those temperatures.

Here's the great thing about science and the laws of physics.. They apply to specific circumstances.. Once you add in a bunch of variables, unless there is some specific science that also takes into account those variables, you can't point to those laws of physics as proof of anything anymore. All scientific "laws/facts" are only valid with todays knowledge. Tomorrow they could change.

As for the FEMA/NIST thing.. Cherry picking what to believe in their reports and what not to believe is just weak IMO... As I've said before, no one knows what happened in there and no one can ever prove one theory over another. Unless some definitive smoking gun is uncovered, this will forever remain a controversy.

so how actually did the towers collapse ?

what is the official version ?

You can choose between many official stories you want to believe.

So there is the pancake (1 floor collapse on the other etc etc) conspiracy theory.

And the officefire weakening the steel and concrete cause a total pulveration of the massive buildings.

And an other official theory is the "single point collapse".

The latest theory they invented wich has never been seen or recreated oh what a science "thermal expansion".




And the official story is that they did not find any evidence of explosives because they did not look for it.

I'm still waiting for the final report from...