Should have bought retro content, never mind one of the most successful and well respected adult programs ever!

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There's also thousands of sites out there with old out dated content just no one but a few people stuck in the last century are interested in.

We are talking about a business model that does many thousands of sales a day and you think they should go to a business model that does dozens? That's out of the box thinking for sure! :thumbsup

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It's taking 'out of touch' to a whole 'nother level.

That's what they did with Playboy and playboy tv.

Which as Quality content and an audience where Brazzers can sell it's quality content other then just online.

I just heard Kim Kardashian is getting a divorce! things you never believed would happen are happening! lol

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1042679&page=3

From my post on October 22nd

Merger would make a lot of sense.

Take the traffic of Manwin and drive it to the areas where they are lacking like cams (Naked) and dating (Fling)

Take the management experience of the talented people at RK TV and have them run the newest Manwin acquisition Playboy TV.

Both companies have branched away from recorded content in a subscription based format as their primary sources of income and this really does seem like the perfect merger

Such as?

And you think they can pick this up like fallen fruit?

It depends on price of course. Maybe a program doing 1,000s of sign ups a day is going to be a bit big and pricey. Maybe an archive with content that isn't from the last 10 years of cheap poor online shooters and with scenes that include many stars getting gang banged might be a big seller with good online marketing. AND at a price that makes it a snip.

2,000 sign ups a day = $60,000 a day in new joins.

If the sites are as good as you think. Retention will be good. 2 months for example?

$120,000 a day in revenue.

$3,600,000 a month in revenue.

$43,200,000 a year.

This program is going to cost a pretty penny. You all might think Manwin have loads of money to spend acquiring programs. Tell me when they start picking off the guys at the top and revealing prices. We can trust.

Now then. What would the archives of a great offline porn company with the type of content that isn't everywhere cost?

Archives sitting doing no sales, your words or/and others, might be a nice juicy fruit to be plucked.

All it needs to monetize it is the brilliant online porn marketing expertise. :winkwink:

Agreed. Makes little business sense to pick up a company doing the same as them. Unless the price is right and I would suspect a company doing many 1,000s of sign ups a day. Is going to be pricey.

I think it's called "Diversification" in business circles. :1orglaugh

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why don't they never buy www.SignBucks.com
i'd sell it in good hands)

So let's take this a bit further and look at Archive purchases of a good offline DVD producer.

All speculation of course as no one knows.

I would estimate a company with archives not doing a lot would be open to a share deal or a straight buy option.

$500 to $1,000 a 5 scene DVD?

$1 million would buy 5,000 to 10,000 scenes for release on the Internet of content never seen before and likely to be porn of a higher standard. Downside is definition. With so many looking at Tubes, definition isn't that important. Beta Max masters would produce a more than acceptable product.

So for $1 million they can buy the perhaps 7,500 Archival hardcore scenes Licenses for online. From a once great but faltering company. Because online has replaced them. Online is just a method of delivery. Not a whole new era in porn.

Or buy RK for 10s of millions and get what? What they already have.

Of course it's all in the detail and we're all guessing.

If I was in charge of Manwin with a large budget to invest. The last place I would spend it in is porn. Online gambling, retail tangible goods, auction site, mainstream dating. Anything but a declining industry, unless the price reflected that.

Reading these threads, I get the impression, some think it's great to be part of an industry that has a couple of big fish, who are about to drown them.

once great = old content no one wants to see, yet pay for. old porn is the biggest bonerkill around.

The porn industry is evolving, not declining. It was inevitable.

Edit: Nobody wants to watch old ass porn aside from you.

yeah don't buy one of the biggest internet porn companies which is still wildly successful across multiple verticals like traffic, dating, cams and paysites and instead buy the libraries of old and failed porn companies. sounds like an amazing plan.

unlike movies or film porn has a terrible shelf life. porn from even ten years ago is pretty much unwatchable apart for nostalgic reasons.

True. People are used to good resolution now days. Even 640x480 stuff is kind of blurry to me.

I know some say resolution is not that important. I disagree. It is becoming more and more important as amateurs are putting good res erotica on YT. Usually in HD.

Quality res on YT for free? (Many fetishes dont require nudity)
or
Pay for crappy or mediocre res at paysites?

So maybe this is why nothing sells anymore.

Foot fetish, BDSM, and Shemale stuff used to sell like crazy. Now who can compete with YT in these fetishes.

640x480 < HD

Paid pros < Real amateurs

Updating here and there < Unlimited and continually updated content (that's free)

So all of this has taken the value out of most fetish porn and the consumer doesnt feel the need to buy.

He can get off without nudity which is online porn's only card left. But now I see boobs all the time on YT.

i mean fashion changes. hair styles, clothes, even pubic hair styles don't age well in porn. even porn from a decade ago looks silly and ridiculous.

The real sad thing is I also feel ND no longer sells well like many of you have reported.

Why did the ratios go to hell? That is the question everyone wants to know. They do have a $4.95 2 day trial when they used to have a $1 trial. Maybe that is all it is. But they stopped selling for a lot of us.

Really sad for this industry as they always held a decent ratio up until about 3 months back.

That is true. Nothing better than what is happening now.

Frankly I never was a fan of typical porn even back then. I find it boring. But that is another whole thing..

A true amateur flashing a little skin or whatever is way better than a paid porn star to many.

Look at the Halloween thread "Slutty Halloween Girls?" Guys here loved the amateur shots and the paid pro shots got flack.

So the amateurs on YT (even without skin) are getting lots of INTEREST now days and Paysite X isnt.

Shit is dying all round. I hate to say it.

Only shit well outside the box and/or offering great value is selling anymore.

With ND (apparently) dying, that type of paysite model is about dead I am afraid. Sure a shitload of traffic will always sell but for the middle men (traffic buyers) ND is no longer (apparently) profitable in the current traffic market.

All that assumes the razor is not involved in any way. :) I am sure a lot of people feel this is why ratios got worse (for many). When has a company EVER been bought out and ratios got better?

I'll answer. Never.

Like the guy above said, "if ND is sold (or ratios plummet) then he is selling all his sites" A lot of us felt that ND tanking would "be the day" the industry was about kaput.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe you all are doing well with ND lately. :) I hope so. Could just be me. I dont send a ton but my ratios went up as did many others the last 3 months.

At any rate, ND has been one of my best sponsors for years and will always have my respect even if my days of sending traffic are over.

Best wishes to all.

Nasty Dollars is still one of my best converting sponsorts. < 1:300 on tube traffic.

Good to hear. Could be just my traffic is tapped out.

I am around 1:1500 last 4 months since July 1 and that is with their count which is really 1 in 3000. I was 1:350 up until first of July. (1:700)

1:700 I am in biz. 1:3000 I am not.

Can only knock on the door selling the same Hoover so many times.

Which is another thing. No new sites this year (except the gay one) means eventually they die of saturation. Altho maybe not in your case. Still I am more concerned about no new sites. That is very telling that the market feasability is no longer there from their perspective.

And I like to align with winners who are going to take me places. Not saturated operations that are apparently on auto pilot. And maybe with a new pilot which is even worse.

PS Tubes tend to get a highly qualified click (on a lot more traffic) from my experience. So your traffic sent may actually be some of the best. But your traffic to generate the clicks may be some of the worst. :) High traffic to click ratio.

I cant beat em folks. I need to give away YOUR farm to make money. :) By that I mean Paul Markham is right about this and maybe only this. j/k Paul. You are actually right about other stuff too. :)

We leveraged traffic by giving away the farm, free full length movies and lots of em, to get clicks and sell other things, you know the drill.

As a middle man I will survive but only on the best paysites.

Yes if I had a tube network with say 100K visitors a day then it is another ballgame. But Paul is right that the middle man and small affil is no longer in the game for most sponsors BUT we are still in the game for a FEW.

Those top notch operations STILL are profitable for Joe Affil.

But barely profitable and noone is calling home the good news to mom.

So I was the only one who read the thread about starting a file sharing hosting service? :) An easy 3K/Month. Prob is.

Noone responded to his thread. Prob cause you sharpies around here already have a few sharing sites up. :1orglaugh

Last thing I swear. Hey I painted outside all day. I was dead tired till this thread. :)

In fact I forgot what I was gonna say but it WAS good. lol

I guess that means I said enuf.

Traffic is still King? Perhaps. But then knowledge of what sells is a damn hot Queen. :)

May all your hits be clicks or whatever Sleazybear used to say 10 years ago. hehe :)

They have new sites @ hazecash.

I dont mean to be raining on your parade... BUT 43M in yearly revenue for a paysite gross... I'm sure they could afford that number pretty easily. Not only that, but since I know they are offering multiples on the order of 3+ years net of tube sites, this would be peanuts for them.

Tube sites unlike paysites are basically pure profit. whereas affiliate programs are at most 50% profit (and thats exceedingly generous, ironically most mainstream brick and mortar business would kill for 50% profit)

also not to mention that most of those 2000 joins would be trials. so lets say 2000 joins a day, 10% are full join, the remaining 1800 are trials, at which a generous 50% convert.

900 conversion + 200 fulls = 1100 / day... so roughly half your number. yea I dont think manwin would even blink at this number.

unless ofcourse RK is saying fuk that shit and dont offer trials at all. then you'd be right and they'd be rockstars.

Wasn't it obvious Paul was joking? I mean he has to be.

Homegrown Video has nostalgic vintage amateur porn too
 

Yeah, tell that to the folks that make a mint on "nostalgic reasons".

I pegged you for a better marketer than your typical "everyone must be into exactly what I am into"...

"Porn Nostalgia" is a powerful hook, especially if you have customers that fell in love with a particular starlet - which I would wager is often an even stronger bond than someone's favorite film/mainstream movie... :2 cents:

Heh, your prolly right.

Damn someone had an a+ for mathematics!

Well the first line was stupid. The second line makes it look good.

There are millions of 40+ year olds who want to see what was produced 20 years ago. That's the attraction of porn. It's a reminder of earlier experience. Go do some research on sexual fantasies before you carry on.

Which is why no one watches Tubes. :1orglaugh

From a Beta Max master a good digitised version can be made. Shit is shit, even if it's bright and hi res.

Don't bother. These guys are just protecting their sites with cheap churned out porn and have no idea of how to run a business.

There are 10,000s of sites with the same and similar porn on today. Stuff produced on the cheap, by people who often lack talent, worried more about getting it done cheap than done right.

Compare that with what's sitting in the Archives of some of the big porn companies. No comparison.

Are 18-38 year olds a better market for online porn than 39-59 year olds? What would they prefer?

10,000 sites supplying the same or similar product v 100s of sites. Demand of one type is being well supplied. Demand of the other type isn't.

Price. What ever the price it's logical something sitting on a shelf, not being utilised properly is going to sell for a lot less than something being fully used and at the top of it's game.

Do the same again or diversify?

ROI is the name of the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nici_Sterling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxanne_Hall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misty_McCaine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...sses_by_decade

http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfi...-margarson.htm

http://www.freeones.ca/html/g_links/Georgette_Neale/

http://www.freeones.ca/html/a_links/Andrea_Spinks/

http://www.freeones.ca/html/l_links/Louise_Hodges/

Just a few of the girls that I know of from the UK and there must be movies sitting on a shelf that could be bought for a song and ROI in a few weeks. If "Marketed" right.

A lot cheaper than buying something that requires $3,000 and up a scene and with no real value to it, other than another update that we have already got 1,000s of all the same.

Paul - please stop.

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How do you turn off markhams bot?

But tubes are free, paysites arent. But you may be correct. I agree a nicely done, erotic piece is timeless.

My point was more paid porn is competing with free YT. And they have more and more HD erotica. Which is legal peer to peer.

that p2p biz model > than the typical paysite model with a few paid pornstars for many guys, not all but a lot especially if the vids are HD. Many guys dont need nudity to get off.

Which is maybe why ND is slacking for many of us. Just a thought. And only a thought.

Still when lots of people report bad ratios lately something is wrong but looks like we wont find out here.

An example: Go start a kissing paysite and see how well you do now days. Or a foot fetish site. Yes good marketing can help but the odds are way stacked against those two types of sites.

The 2 ton Gorilla is def a factor. Whether they have anything to do with ND's bad ratios (for many) is another thing.

amateur vanilla HD > grainy (by today's standards) 640x480 porn vids (to many)

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These posts were a friendly goodbye to ND. :smilie_we A "what's up". Are we on auto pilot? Do we have a new pilot?

Eh whatever. I tried. :) :smilie_we Onward and upward.

nothing but love for ND



Unlike many sponsors I felt I needed to say something somewhere and this was the place. ND was the best sponsor in the game for me the last 7-8 years, maybe more.

It is tough to leave you my old friend. I see this month's payment is ready to be sent like always. I repeat, you were the best sponsor in the game the last 7-8 years. That deserves a word. A good word. :)

Rock on man and thank you for helping me survive in business on my own my good friend. You took a thousand guys like me along for a great ride. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup



peace out

how did this loser troll end up at the end of MY cock?

I mean, seriously! can't I at least get an intelligent troll who's done something in this biz?

This is truly big business. Love the numbers!