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A Tiger can get out and walk away. For the gun in my drawer, Don't touch my shit, and get the fuck out of my house! LOL If you have children, Trigger lock it! Your car chase story -- You are already breaking the LAW Keep Grasping! |
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I have no problems with non gun owners, http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/f...1363304488.jpg |
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Where did I say we have a perfect society? I liked it over in Prague, food was kinda bland though. |
im a firm believer in the 2nd amendment, i think EVERYONE in the world ought to own a gun(given certain qualifications of course), or at least have them available and anyone who cares to take my guns(as cliche as it sounds) can pry them out of my cold dead hands.
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Guns are for primitive societies. all you people liking guns, just wait to see what ethnic tensions or economic collapse will do....japane have great law about this:
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I like the way people get their feathers ruffled over this topic. Its like going on a car forum and asking what is best, synthetic or regular oil? Or go to a motorcycle forum and start a debate about sportbikes vs Harley Davidsons.
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I look at it like this.
You can get a shot gun for $150 or so. Use it for recreation. Shooting clay pigeons on boring weekends. Which I really enjoy doing. And so does my wife and two boys. Stick it in the closet. And know that it's better to have it and never need it than need it and not have it. It's like a little inexpensive insurance policy. |
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If you can use it responiblt and secure it when not in use... Great. If you can not or will not then you should not own it in the first place and should be harshly punished if you do own it but use it improperly or fail to secure it. Your failure to lock away your gun IS my problem when that gun ends up stolen and is used illegally to hurt someone. |
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Applying those same legal principles to weapon ownership is also not silly and is an easy solution to the idiotic 'yes guns / no guns' debate that too many people are stuck in. As always, thanks for your attempted insults which are entirely unhelpful to the discussion Ronald. :thumbsup |
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there's paragraph after paragraph of what you imagine is best for everyone else. Everyone else disagrees. Thats why we have liability laws, felony laws yet no laws concerning guns that even remotely reflect what you *wish* for. as usual, you're wrong. pounding away at your keyboard won't change that.:thumbsup |
There is quite a debate about gun ownership and restrictions on it. There has been one for decades. It is a waste of time. Legally owning a gun is not a problem and never has been, losing a legally owned gun is a major problem. The debate needs to shift to something more constructive... but constructive debate is something you have repeatedly proven to know nothing about. Thanks for contributing nothing, as usual, Ronald. :thumbsup
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here's an idea, punish the criminal who STOLE the gun. silly kid. don't be bitter because I pointed out that in your 20 paragraphs in this thread you've got nothing more than personal wishes about how you'd like things to be. instead, be bitter about paying for the education thats left you completely devoid of common sense.:thumbsup |
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We should also be punishing anyone who fails to secure a weapon they legally own. Securing it should be required by the fact you chose to own it. Failing to secure it is no better than misusing it. |
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If I chose to keep a loaded gun under my pillow, I'm completely within my rights to do so. If someone breaks into my home and steals it, THEY ARE THE CRIMINAL, not me. and thats how it will always be. End of story. |
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You're a moron, I thought I would just throw that out there |
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yeah, more guns in the usa. It makes it a much safer place.
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The laws that exist right now which are intended to 'punish' people for losing a gun or having one 'stolen' are much too lax. They ought to be much more strict. If losing a legally registered handgun were a felony, existing Felony Murder statutes would be easy to apply. If you want to go with something less, like a 1+ year jail sentence, 10K dollar fine and being forbidden from ever owning a gun again I'd be fine with that. The idea that people can 'report a gun lost or stolen' and be completely absolved from the damage that gun does in the future is ridiculous. You own it, you secure it. You can't or won't... you should be accountable for that failure. |
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If you want to do heroin or vodka, the law should be identical. Use it at home by yourself or with other consenting adults and stay within the law... have fun. Use it around minors, drive while high or do other things outside the law and find yourself being severely punished for your misuse of the item. Guns are exactly the same. They are an inherently dangerous item that require an exceptional amount of care to use properly and stay within the limits of the law. If you use a gun properly and secure it when it is not in use, I am happy you - go own 10K guns and fire them off at your leisure. If you use them improperly or fail to secure them you should be accountable for that failure AND for the damage that your failure proximately causes. If you put every person who had a gun stolen IN jail and took out every person convicted of selling dime bags of pot on a street corner the prison population would shrink immediately and forever. Best of all, you would have the actually dangerous people in prison instead of two-bit pot dealers. Gun owners who allow their guns to be lost or stolen ARE dangerous to society and so are people who allow drugs and alcohol to fuel their misconduct, people who properly use their guns or do drugs responsibly are not. |
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If you do CHOOSE to own a weapon and you FAIL to secure it, that's your fault and should be severely punished. |
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The current system is what creates bureaucracy, protects incompetent gun owners and perpetuates the black market nexus between 'lost legal guns' and crimes committed by people with 'illegal guns' which are the same exact firearms in different hands. |
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I have a friend that was a gun collector and his guns were well secured...because they were very valuable...but that did not keep a thief from breaking into his home and stealing his entire collection. The thief was never caught and none of his guns were ever recovered. But if it ever turns up that one of his guns that was stolen about fifteen years ago was ever found to be involved in a crime to punish him would be a total injustice. |
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while many people like to be informed about whats going on in the world, you and your opinions are completely US centered. which is too bad, cause sometimes it helps to look beyond your own nose :) |
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One solution is to make owning any guns illegal. I am very much against that. People who responsibly own and secure their guns should be free to use them in any way allowable under the law. However, when someone decides to buy 25 guns and keep them in an unlocked showcase or has a firearm stolen out of their night table... they should be held to a very strict standard and punished severely for allowing their guns to find their way into the hands of criminals who would use them. Quote:
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"The person doing the shooting goes to jail for murder, the person failing to secure their gun is punished severely as well. The only person in your example who is injured and innocent is the neighbor. Had you not chosen to own the gun which was taken from you and failed to secure it, he would not have been shot by a gun you owned." |
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