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  • Kevin Marx
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2007
    • 1888

    #16
    I don't know why I have decided to comment in this thread and not really in others, maybe it's the picture that pisses me off the most, I don't really know.

    Originally posted by L-Pink
    What this individual represents is the future of America. A greatly reduced middle class.

    Go ahead and post adapt or die ..... Because you are correct, our middle class is dying. What does this mean to cocky young posters? You better hit it rich or you'll be a low income grunt for the rest of your life.

    .
    It's not a hit it rich type of mentality. I was listening to talk radio today and the commentary was about college; about how there is this perception that college means success. There is a cultural stigma attached to those that graduate and those that don't and those that don't even attend. What happened to the culture of our fathers and grandfathers where hard work was valued rather than a "degree" or a piece of paper that indicates you are supposed to be a smart enough person to have met the necessary criteria to graduate? We have an entire generation or perhaps two that believes and has been taught that success only comes from education.

    I earned a degree 17 years ago. Business Management. There was no guarantee then it meant more money and it hasn't meant more money since then. I have more money now because I viewed the marketplace I am a part of, found something that needed to be done/done better and determined that I could offer that at a price. We started a business and voila, there you go. Better earnings after we struggled to make it work right.

    The degree was a personal goal and I knew from moment one it was no guarantee of anything.

    Originally posted by BlackCrayon
    "In 1995, the average pay of Canada's highest paid 50 CEOs was $2.66 million, 85 times the pay of the average worker. In 2009, the average pay of the highest paid 50 CEOs had skyrocketed to 219 times the pay of the average worker."

    and thats just canada..
    Public corporations are held to standards by Boards of Directors. If the BOD agrees to pay a CEO a ridiculous sum of money then that is up to them. BOD's are controlled by shareholders. If shareholders don't get what they feel is appropriate, the BOD gets reseated.

    We as a population have no right to determine the pay structure of a public corporation. Now, however, the minute that company begins to operate in any way by accepting public funds, that's a different story entirely. And don't anyone go off on me and say that cops, roads, fire departments, airways and the air system, etc are public and therefore blah blah blah..... the corporation pays taxes too and has every reasonable right to utilize those services just as much as everyone/everything else. (In fact, IMO they have more of a right to participate in the system than the worker who doesn't earn that much and therefore isn't paying taxes at a level that a higher earner or corporation is). I'm talking something like the auto companies that couldn't function without a public bailout because they had operated like idiots for years. Hell they have enough subsidies prior to that where I would consider that the public has a very vested interest in how they are run. I feel exactly the same way about the food industry, fuel/oil, etc.

    Originally posted by Rochard
    Something doesn't add up here. This man has two "advanced degrees" and worked in his field for twenty years and was only making $60k a year?

    Really? My wife doesn't have a college degree and she makes $60k a year.
    When I worked for an airline while going to college, I worked with 2-3 guys that had master's degrees and one that had a PhD. They worked with me on the ramp and loaded and unloaded baggage.

    Degrees don't mean anything more than you have attended a school and achieved the necessary criteria to be awarded the degree/certificate. It's quite possible his advanced degrees have nothing to do with his field of work (although that would be a bit illogical) and it's also quite possible that his employer really didn't care that he had the degrees or even that the pay raise for the education was nothing significant.

    Education is one of the great scams these days. Colleges and Universities are BIG BIG BIG businesses and they are almost all subsidized to the hilt with public funds.
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    • PornoMonster
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2003
      • 2257

      #17
      Originally posted by stocktrader23
      4 unemployed people for every job available and that's counting McDonalds. You are a shortsighted fool, absolutely.
      BULLSHIT, You know why I say this no matter what number you can pull from the internet. We have 4 pages of Help Wanted of UNSKILLED jobs in our newspaper ever week.. In late 2008-2009 it did drop to half a page. I have seen several Places begging for Jobs on TV. Some of them on TV did require a short few months of training.
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      • BlackCrayon
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jun 2003
        • 19634

        #18
        Originally posted by Houdini
        If anyone needs a job, and doesn't mind actually working hard, move to North Dakota. They can't fill jobs fast enough.

        http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_new...ain=bottomline

        "A job on an oil rig can pay as much as six figures. The starting salary for truck drivers is around $80,000. While the nation's unemployment rate is 9.1 percent, Williston's unemployment rate is less than 1 percent. "
        This article makes it sound like the great depression days. Its a very telling that there are so many flocking there for these hard ass labor type jobs.

        There is such a large influx of people that thousands are staying in 'man camps'- shipping containers converted into housing units for the workers new to town. When more teachers were hired to deal with the rising number of students, an apartment building had to be built to house the new teachers, Koeser said.

        "When we have as many people come here everyday looking for work, where are they going to live," Koeser asked. "How are we going to get water to them and sewer to them and a road to them and power to them and all those sorts of issues. Yeah, it's putting a tremendous amount of pressure on the infrastructure."
        damn... i can't imagine living in a shipping container to work on an oil rig..
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        • halfpint
          GFY's Halfpint
          • Jun 2007
          • 15223

          #19
          and in other news

          Pay for the directors of the UK's top businesses rose 50% over the past year, a pay research company has said

          Incomes Data Services (IDS) said this took the average pay for a director of a FTSE 100 company to just short of £2.7m.

          The rise, covering salary, benefits and bonuses, was higher than that recorded for the main person running the company, the chief executive.

          Their pay rose by 43% over the year, according to the study.

          Prime Minister David Cameron, speaking in Australia, said the report was "concerning", and called for big companies to be more transparent when they decide executive pay.

          A statement from IDS said that that figure suggested that "executive largesse is evenly spread across the board".

          Base salaries rose by just 3.2%, although that was above the median rise recorded by IDS this week for average pay settlements of 2.6% for private sector workers.

          The latest consumer price inflation figures showed inflation at 5.2%.

          Directors' bonus payments, on average, rose by 23% from £737,000 in 2010 to £906,000 this year.

          The Unite union has called executive pay "obscene" and has called for shareholders to be given more power to hold directors accountable.

          The union's general secretary, Len McCluskey said: "The Government should strongly consider giving shareholders greater legal powers to question and curb these excessive remuneration packages.

          "Institutional shareholders need to exercise much greater scrutiny and control of directors' pay and bonuses.

          "It's obscene and it shows that the City has learnt nothing during the financial troubles of the last four years."

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15487866

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          • BlackCrayon
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jun 2003
            • 19634

            #20
            Originally posted by Kevin Marx
            I don't know why I have decided to comment in this thread and not really in others, maybe it's the picture that pisses me off the most, I don't really know.



            It's not a hit it rich type of mentality. I was listening to talk radio today and the commentary was about college; about how there is this perception that college means success. There is a cultural stigma attached to those that graduate and those that don't and those that don't even attend. What happened to the culture of our fathers and grandfathers where hard work was valued rather than a "degree" or a piece of paper that indicates you are supposed to be a smart enough person to have met the necessary criteria to graduate? We have an entire generation or perhaps two that believes and has been taught that success only comes from education.
            You can blame the "job creators" for this. If they didn't require everyone to have such an education just to get your resume looked at, the mentality wouldn't exist. Its true though. Most any decent job, if you want to exist to them, you need a college education. Otherwise they'll just move on to the next candidate, which there is no shortage of.

            I earned a degree 17 years ago. Business Management. There was no guarantee then it meant more money and it hasn't meant more money since then. I have more money now because I viewed the marketplace I am a part of, found something that needed to be done/done better and determined that I could offer that at a price. We started a business and voila, there you go. Better earnings after we struggled to make it work right.

            The degree was a personal goal and I knew from moment one it was no guarantee of anything.
            People obviously shouldn't view it as a guarentee but when you sink so much money into an education you expect something from it. These kids are getting an education because they have been told and tought its the way to a good job and once they have that huge debt, they need a decent job to start paying it off. Sure, it would be grand everyone could afford to go to school just to learn but that is no reality for the majority of americans.

            Public corporations are held to standards by Boards of Directors. If the BOD agrees to pay a CEO a ridiculous sum of money then that is up to them. BOD's are controlled by shareholders. If shareholders don't get what they feel is appropriate, the BOD gets reseated.

            We as a population have no right to determine the pay structure of a public corporation. Now, however, the minute that company begins to operate in any way by accepting public funds, that's a different story entirely. And don't anyone go off on me and say that cops, roads, fire departments, airways and the air system, etc are public and therefore blah blah blah..... the corporation pays taxes too and has every reasonable right to utilize those services just as much as everyone/everything else. (In fact, IMO they have more of a right to participate in the system than the worker who doesn't earn that much and therefore isn't paying taxes at a level that a higher earner or corporation is). I'm talking something like the auto companies that couldn't function without a public bailout because they had operated like idiots for years. Hell they have enough subsidies prior to that where I would consider that the public has a very vested interest in how they are run. I feel exactly the same way about the food industry, fuel/oil, etc.
            But why are they making so much more in such a small time frame? What is really going on here? The CEO's do not determine the company's success. If anything the product designers, marketers and stockholders do more than anyone else. Oh not to mention the poor grunts actually making the product but they of course never see any real income increase. Wages have not increased at all to keep up with the standard of living while CEO's are keeping so much for themselves, one would imagine they care very little about the company and more about their wealth addiction.
            Originally posted by WASHINGTON (CNNMoney)
            In 2010, chief executives at some of the nation's largest companies earned an average of $11.4 million in total pay -- 343 times more than a typical American worker, according to the AFL-CIO.

            "Despite the collapse of the financial market at the hands of executives less than 3 years ago, the disparity between CEO and workers' pay has continued to grow to levels that are simply stunning," said Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO president.


            When I worked for an airline while going to college, I worked with 2-3 guys that had master's degrees and one that had a PhD. They worked with me on the ramp and loaded and unloaded baggage.

            Degrees don't mean anything more than you have attended a school and achieved the necessary criteria to be awarded the degree/certificate. It's quite possible his advanced degrees have nothing to do with his field of work (although that would be a bit illogical) and it's also quite possible that his employer really didn't care that he had the degrees or even that the pay raise for the education was nothing significant.

            Education is one of the great scams these days. Colleges and Universities are BIG BIG BIG businesses and they are almost all subsidized to the hilt with public funds.
            The guy could be a lazy piece of shit who deserved to get fired. There are all kinds of variables but the reality is those who have, have more than ever and those who don't are struggling more than ever and if the powers that be think the little guy is just going to keep taking it to the chin, I think they will be sorely mistaken. Do you really think its reality for 9 million unemployed people to start their own business all of a sudden? Is there really much demand for home run/small businesses right now? I see more and more people who were once self employed or running a small business looking for a job because they aren't making money anymore. There are no easy answers but if you think all is well in the world and these unemployed people are just lazy entitlement babies, I think you are very wrong.
            Last edited by BlackCrayon; 10-28-2011, 03:53 AM.
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            • CaptainHowdy
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              • Dec 2004
              • 94725

              #21
              Sore loser ...

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                • 50945

                #22
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                • 12clicks
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jan 2001
                  • 19813

                  #23
                  Originally posted by stocktrader23
                  so you're protesting the lies your union told you when they were collecting their dues from you for 20yrs, right?
                  I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                  • Minte
                    Babemeister
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 7081

                    #24
                    Companies disguise housecleaning as layoffs due to current economic conditions every day.
                    The guy holding the sign was probably a goof off.
                    You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                    • stocktrader23
                      Let's do some business.
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 18781

                      #25
                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                      so you're protesting the lies your union told you when they were collecting their dues from you for 20yrs, right?
                      I've had a job for less than a year of my life. There aren't many unions left to pay into around here anyhow.


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                      • gleem
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                        • Jun 2001
                        • 5593

                        #26
                        Originally posted by stocktrader23
                        4 unemployed people for every job available and that's counting McDonalds. You are a shortsighted fool, absolutely.
                        IF there's no opportunity out there, make your own. I don't have sympathy if you can't figure out how to scrape by a living. He's actually got a job according to his card.. jobs are there, I've never seen empty jobs section in Craigslist or local paper. IF nothing is available in your "field of expertise" you need to learn a new trade.




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                        • 12clicks
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jan 2001
                          • 19813

                          #27
                          Originally posted by stocktrader23
                          I've had a job for less than a year of my life. There aren't many unions left to pay into around here anyhow.
                          my comment was for the guy in the picture
                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                          • Minte
                            Babemeister
                            • Jun 2001
                            • 7081

                            #28
                            Originally posted by gleem
                            IF there's no opportunity out there, make your own. I don't have sympathy if you can't figure out how to scrape by a living. He's actually got a job according to his card.. jobs are there, I've never seen empty jobs section in Craigslist or local paper. IF nothing is available in your "field of expertise" you need to learn a new trade.
                            We see that constantly. There was a large union manufacturing plant in the same industrial park we are in that closed down a few years ago. The company got tired of the strike that happened every other year. There were 1100 employees there from mostly machinists and welders. After the plant shut down we were hoping to employ some of those people.

                            Not a single applicant. The word was,why work when we can get unemployment for a couple of years.
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                            • pornguy
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                              • Mar 2003
                              • 62912

                              #29
                              After working in the office for several Huge companies including 2 fortune 500, I can say that a Lot of people have been getting laid off because they just dont produce.

                              Now the people left are working harder than ever to keep the jobs, and the companies have found then never needed that many people anyway. Just needed to scare the shit out of a few they had.
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                              • stocktrader23
                                Let's do some business.
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 18781

                                #30
                                Originally posted by gleem
                                IF there's no opportunity out there, make your own. I don't have sympathy if you can't figure out how to scrape by a living. He's actually got a job according to his card.. jobs are there, I've never seen empty jobs section in Craigslist or local paper. IF nothing is available in your "field of expertise" you need to learn a new trade.
                                24 million people can't "make a job" and $12 an hour is barely above poverty.



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