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Vjo	10-20-2011 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 18503327)

So how google knows about time on site if I am not using analytics? ( I do in this moment)

They measure the surfer when he clicks back (back button) to the search page. Not all click back but enough do to let them know what is up.

Denny

10-20-2011 03:29 AM

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Denny

10-20-2011 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 18502761)

In my opinion the Panda update is more about time spent on site, returning visitors vs. first time, and social juice.

Agreed :thumbsup

dazzling

10-20-2011 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BareBacked (Post 18502793)

I agree 100%
Time on site and repeat is what all my sites that took huge dive did not have

The answer is right here...
Percentage of actual click-backs returning to Google, for phase A, on the target website of at least X size, with Y amount of content on target page [ content sub variables T, W] , and on a page level, the page having properties of P, Q, l in some combination.

Thats the initial trigger that signals a further Panda look inside your website. If you dont trip that trigger, Panda wont go any further.

marlboroack

10-20-2011 03:43 AM

The internet and world is huge. You only fail when you fall. It kinda seems as if you don't know what Affiliate Marketing is. Your only trained in doing what you were taught. Mix your ideas with training..

redwhiteandblue

10-20-2011 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 18503327)

So how google knows about time on site if I am not using analytics? ( I do in this moment)

They have Chrome and Android platforms ping them the data. Why do you think they are so keen to give away free the new Google netbooks?

seeandsee

10-20-2011 04:10 AM

My mainstream ECPM with them is around 10$

NoWhErE

10-20-2011 05:10 AM

Please bring back AOL and Compuserve.

JohnRingo

10-20-2011 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 18502307)

Threads like these make me realize how much people still do not understand the social network thing and how it is changing the internet.

Social media is crap. Understand that.

JohnRingo

10-20-2011 05:26 AM

Don't worry about it. Within te next year or two google will be phasing out all domains other than .xxx for porn search traffic. Nice knowing ya. Lol

dazzling

10-20-2011 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnRingo (Post 18503555)

Don't worry about it. Within te next year or two google will be phasing out all domains other than .xxx for porn search traffic. Nice knowing ya. Lol

You could be right on this. They are certainly up to something with porn and I have been watching a lot of testing they have been doing with porn during the last 12 months. They are going to phase it out of their serps, or in some way isolate it, etc. Hard to be sure, but it wont be part of the regular serps. Google have a long history of banishing things they dont like, MFA, Content farms. cc domains, etc.

cherrylula

10-20-2011 06:09 AM

I keep saying it, but Facebook > Google. It just isn't as easy as "set it and forget it" anymore. Social circles are forming on the internet, and if you don't grasp that you will lose. There are just too many sites on the internet now.

I miss the good ole days when google would dance, and we would too when the checks came in.

Jey p

10-20-2011 06:16 AM

I hope not....

12clicks

10-20-2011 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BareBacked (Post 18502919)

So do you Pops

wish for crumbs with parked domains I can't sell for what I paid for them?
not me, thats all you, big timer.
not very impressive.

Jarmusch

10-20-2011 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 18503627)

Are you using facebook to promote porn sites?

BareBacked

10-20-2011 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18503658)

wish for crumbs with parked domains I can't sell for what I paid for them?
not me, thats all you, big timer.
not very impressive.

5million impressions a day from parked domain would be some tasty crumbs. I could eat well for sometime on that.

Sorry to hear you over paid for domains

Bladewire

10-20-2011 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jarmusch (Post 18503710)

Are you using facebook to promote porn sites?

Sorry to say this but if you have to ask that you're already behind :Oh crap

12clicks

10-20-2011 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BareBacked (Post 18503923)

5million impressions a day from parked domain would be some tasty crumbs. I could eat well for sometime on that.

Sorry to hear you over paid for domains

not stupid enough to be in that market.
knew it was unsustainable since day one.
just save your bullshit for others on your level. I sold more popups than you will in a lifetime and I haven't sold any in 10 years. :1orglaugh

cherrylula

10-20-2011 09:26 AM

oh geez... you guys are bickering about popups now??

2002 called, they want their flamewar back.

what next? my dialer can kick your dialer's ass?

Thumbnailer

10-20-2011 09:36 AM

I think every country should have own local search engine. Google is dominating everywhere.

As far as I know only Russia (yandex), Czech Republic (seznam) and maybe a few other countries have own search engine.

Jarmusch

10-20-2011 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Squirtit (Post 18504084)

Sorry to say this but if you have to ask that you're already behind :Oh crap

I guess I am...

So surfers actually bother clicking the Like button on porn sites and share it with their facebook friends? :Oh crap

just a punk

10-20-2011 09:42 AM

All my autoblogs and autotubes got a huge boost after Panda launch. Thus I love Panda - it does a good job IMHO.

BareBacked

10-20-2011 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18504088)

I have never sold a pop up in my life so you are got me there.
Awesome you know so much more than everyone and are so humble about it..

What ever helps your self esteem Gramps.

12clicks

10-20-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BareBacked (Post 18504279)

I have never sold a pop up in my life so you are got me there.
Awesome you know so much more than everyone and are so humble about it..

What ever helps your self esteem Gramps.

look hobbyist, I'm sure your self esteem feels great when you make an idiot comment towards one of your betters but please son, don't project that onto me. Christ, I've never noticed or heard of you before your little boy "not very impressive" comment.

but hey, people troll me for attention all the time. I guess it gives them street cred with the rabble.

crockett

10-20-2011 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18502615)

You part timers posting at night explaining the business to me crack me up.
Please son, run of site, completely untargetted with buyers happy to take it.

I understand that your 5 ultra targeted visitors make you a $70.00 cpm but please get back to me in '15 when you finally reach the $25 minimum to collect your check.:1orglaugh

Please go pay some hooker so you can get laid. I can get the angry Republican bit in every political topic and the stupid talking down to people as if you are something special. However keep the "asshole I'm better than you are" act out of the business topics please there are already few and far between and they don't need to be shit on with your useless comments about how awesome you are.

BlackCrayon

10-20-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 18502307)

Threads like these make me realize how much people still do not understand the social network thing and how it is changing the internet.

please explain what that has to do with the google panda updates.

12clicks

10-20-2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18504577)

how was work today, little one?
home to play bigshot on the board now?

BareBacked

10-20-2011 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18504377)

Let me guess.. Your assistant makes more than me in adult?

epitome

10-20-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18503311)

You know with all those brainiacs at Mountain View they are slowly tilting the table so all the marbles roll their way.

I mean relax on all the Pandas and Penguins. Sheeesh. Yahoo and Bing give more relevant results now days for many things porn. So hopefully they will wake up.

For the record my shit is doing better lately with G. So who knows. I cant think of a bigger headache than trying to predict Google.

Yahoo and Bing love my latest site. Sadly, it doesn't do too much for me. Wish it did.

My latest site has super low bounce, great time on site, etc. (thousands of full length scenes we own and give away for free) but Google just isn't digging it much yet. 75% of URLs are indexed by G but it's not sending as much traffic as it would have in the past.

Patiently waiting...

Ronzo

10-20-2011 07:17 PM

If you read the info at Google's Webmaster Central blog... 23 questions for webmasters and publishers... it's hard to envision how affiliate marketers will be able to tackle the challenge of building sites and blogs that meet these new "high quality" standards. So, it's reasonable to believe that even if your site has not yet been affected by Panda, it soon will be if it doesn't meet these standards... it's probably only a matter of time.

porno jew

10-20-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronzo (Post 18505302)

search for anything health related and you will see that panda is very imperfect. all the results are garbage, shit spun and scraped articles. google has a long way to go to live up to their own standards.

JohnRingo

10-20-2011 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dazzling (Post 18503599)

Think about it... no ads on porn seaches = no money for google... if they set up a .xxx search then they can probably feel better about themselves and make $ with ads there

and the way they keep hemoraging money on crap like google+ and wave and all the 1000s of other countless things that don't even make it to the beta stage, google will only be focusing on things they can make money on...

as for facebook and social for porn... remember when adult killed myspace? yeah... these guys won't let that happen

if you guys aren't working on a way to not be a slave to google then it won't be the tubes that kill you... it will be your own lazy ignorance

Ronzo

10-20-2011 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18505309)

Good point... I don't know how health-related topics stack up in quantity against porn or gambling topics... but maybe Panda is first being aimed at areas where there's the most duplication of content and the poorest quality of webmastering... seems porn might qualify here. It's not a far-fetched notion to suggest that 75% or more affiliate-built porn sites are employing SEO tactics that are very close to black hat, if not straight out SEO tricky and scammy. Reminds me of that scene from the George Clooney - Salma Hayek movie about vampires... when Cheech Marin was out front of the bar huckstering... "we got hairy pussy, pink pussy, teen pussy, black pussy, tight pussy, stinky pussy, chica pussy, MILF pussy, bald pussy, shaved pussy" and so on. The point is made... we got pussy. There's only so many ways you can say it, and it's only original and unique once.

porno jew

10-20-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronzo (Post 18505348)

don't be naive. mainstream sites are are light years ahead and more shady when it comes to manipulating google. billion dollar businesses like demand media are built upon techniques and work flows that would be considered black hat a few years ago. porn is so amateur hour it's kind of cute.

porno jew

10-20-2011 08:04 PM

porn is a huge part of the search business. compare the top google searches for porn keywords compared to mainstream. no comparison. tons of people search for porn.

pornmasta

10-20-2011 08:24 PM

google equals shit

xxxjay

10-20-2011 10:03 PM

The people clamoring about adwords and how it is trying to kill affiliate porn is a bunch of nonsense...

Couple opinions of mine that may not be shared by all, but if you don't agree, fuck you...

1. This update didn't have anything to do with adwords

2. They weighed in social links much more heavily than they were (until recently, there was debate until recently weather social link juice counted at all) - social media is today's DMOZ, it's the "human" factor in the SERPS

3. Like I said earlier, it's all about time on site, returning traffic these days - do you have every portion of your site where google could potentially gather information about your visors blocked with a robots.txt file? Hmmm....

4. There is more emphasis on building quality content. For example, pornhub is #1 for porn and will be VERY hard to move, in spite of the fact Google is very aware they bought shit tons of links to get where they are...why don't they do anything? Because you type "porn" and you get to a site where there is 10000's of hours of porn, you stay there for a long time, and you come back....that's called QUALITY - even though I don't agree with Mansef's ethics.

5. Somebody tried to bring up .xxx in this --- .XXX is a joke company that is run by idiots and is no threat at all. Google, last I understand, had made the decision to not index or depreciate .XXX domains just like they do .WS or even .net

:2 cents:

xxxjay

10-21-2011 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 18505542)

It amazing how some common sense can kill a thread.

InfoGuy

10-22-2011 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18504577)

It looks like 12clicks has been reading a knockoff of Dale Carnegie's book titled "How to Repel Affiliates and Irritate People".

FlexxAeon

10-22-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 18503327)

So how google knows about time on site if I am not using analytics? ( I do in this moment)

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18503328)

chrome browser, other possible data sources like when they were caught sniffing wifi data in germany ....

They could also track ips

many people would go to a site, click around, and then use browser back button to get to their previous search results. Or if they hit site A with no analytics, and then get sent to sit B which does have analytics

Google accounts.... Those pesky little G+ buttons are also suspicious lol

alias

10-22-2011 06:52 PM

Google coal miner update fucked everyone up.

alias

10-22-2011 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 18505542)

5. Somebody tried to bring up .xxx in this --- .XXX is a joke company that is run by idiots and is no threat at all. Google, last I understand, had made the decision to not index or depreciate .XXX domains just like they do .WS or even .net[/INDENT][/B]

:2 cents:

Fake nick shillaber.

GAMEFINEST

10-22-2011 07:04 PM

content is king from what i can see.

Vjo	10-22-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18504980)

Exactly. I see sites that are on the top of the first page with Bing and Yahoo and deserves to be there as it is def what people are looking for for certain kws. Yet they barely show up with G.

So the surfer is not always finding what they want with G now days.

I think accuracy and relevancy which used to be most important to SEs in the earlier days (and still is with Yahoo and Bing) is being replaced with things that are more relevant to Google's own bottom line.

They prob figure now that they got the traffic, time to start jerking the surfer around for their own profit. Not much you can do if that's the case.

They will hopefully "think" their way (with their approx 200 ranking standards, which is rediculous) out of being number 1 eventually.

$5 submissions

10-22-2011 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 18509300)

"How to Repel Affiliates and Irritate People".

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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