I'm watching the GOP Moronathon

I don't trust govt. to do anything right. lol

But you really think that "illegal aliens" would take those oil jobs? That hasn't happened down in the Gulf (where it would be a lot easier for Mexicans to do it) so why do you think it would happen in the mainland of the U.S.?

I'm no oil rigger...but as I understand it, it's a high paying job with a ton of benefits. Would turn all the people protesting into hard working, highly paid contributors to society...instead of angry and pissed. And it could turn the entire economy around with all those new high paying jobs giving 1.2 million people a lot more buying power.

At least that's what I'm thinking.

It's got to be better than throwing money at companies like Solyndra in a desperate attempt to force solar energy to take off.

And speaking of solar energy...I still say that I personally have THE plan to kickstart that: Instead of handing money to companies like Solyndra, how about HIRING them to cover the desert here in Nevada with solar panels and wind turbines. Energy problems SOLVED.

Yeah, there's lots of energy in the US... But why bother with it at this time?

The US imports more oil from Canada than any other country and there's lots more here to come... Especially once the pipeline gets built.. Course, they better hurry up because we're planning on building a pipeline to the coast so we can ship it off to China as well.

The Oil companies maximize their profits right now by leaving toxic landscapes in third world countries that have no regulations and dirt cheap labour.

The propaganda machine that's been ramping up over the last couple years for clean coal and overly burdensome government regulations isn't quite to the point where the masses completely believe oil is in truly short supply and so are willing to let the companies rape the land..

Getting at the energy in the US would probably be a bit more expensive than getting it elsewhere at this point due to having to actually run a clean ship and hire more expensive labor.

National Security would dictate that you suck all the oil out of all other countries first so that you're left with your own supply in the future... Plus you get to sell it at a premium at that point.

And of course they're all making billions of dollars by keeping it in limited supply so why fuck with that.

Energy independence is a great campaign tactic because everyone wants that. But none of them will actually get it done.

You have to look at the entirety of what Reagan did because at the end of the day, it was not a balanced, sound policy that benefited everyone. And of course it ended in a recession due to the growth of the deficit... Reaganomics was great for the GDP and big business, but it wasn't good for the country in the long run.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

A more balanced approach is needed that takes out the high highs and low lows. Something that Germany seems to have gotten a handle on although they're not perfect either.

not necessarily the rigging jobs, but the surrounding jobs. example, if i needed a job, and then the domestic oil sector was opened up, i'm no rigger... but perhaps i could get a job driving a truck (with some training), or washing said trucks, or moving the boxes of soap to wash those trucks....etc. the trickle down jobs that require less responsibility and liability. the supposed "jobs americans won't do."

edit: i just realized both our avatars are "jamming" lol

name 1 politician who wasn't full of shit.
It doesnt matter who the fuck is president.

50 morons

He has kept alot of those promises
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ises/obameter/

For those of you who watched last night's debate, and heard "answers" for ANY of America's problems, please look into the mirror when you say I am the partisan here.

I did. And I saw some things I agree with and some things I did not. Just like I do when I listen to Obama.
That's why I voted for Obama in 2008, and why I will probably vote for a Republican in 2012.

That's the difference I'm trying to point out to you. You are completely partisan. It wouldn't matter to you if a Republican came out with everything you believe in. You would call him names and never vote for him or even acknowledge the points he made.

And you won't acknowledge the huge mistake that Obama has made by not focusing on the economy and instead letting Reid & Pelosi pretty much screw the country.
Dude...come on. The Dems gained control of both houses in 2006.
Then they had Obama as President.

That was TOTAL control from 2008 to 2010. They should have passed the CORRECT health care in a week. They should have been able to pass some kind of jobs bill in the first month.

Instead they couldn't even pass a budget. And they took a bad situation and in my mind made it worse.

That's not the Republicans fault. That was pure Democratic Senate & Congress greed and corruption fighting over their pork barrel spending.

And no...I don't think it was ideology. I think it was Obama being a young and very inexperienced guy (not only in politics...but in any position of authority or business, etc.) and he respectfully deferred to the much older and experienced Reid & Pelosi.

They led him the wrong way. And he should have had much better advisors around him to tell him to stand up and LEAD and not follow those two.

Now it's time to pay the piper.

Here is my NON-partisan view: I voted for Obama. I wanted to believe all the things he said. And like the millions of independents who have abandoned him...I was sorely disappointed. And now I'm looking for anybody with STRONG leadership qualities.

I hoped that Obama would pull his shit together in the second two years like Bill Clinton did. But apparently he is no Clinton.
Instead he is out doing what he really loves: Giving speeches and campaigning.
Very disappointing to me.

And the crazy thing is folks like you who are just purely 100% political party oriented refuse to see what happened. Just like in 2010...2012 is going to be a slaughter. It didn't have to be.
As I said, Bill Clinton was super smart. And when he saw what happened in 1994, he turned himself and the country around. Obama sadly did not. He continued to let Reid & Pelosi "guide" him and that led to gridlock.

You DO know that arguing with someone as stupid as bft3k is a fruitless endeavor and when he gets his ass kicked and leaves the thread, the discussion becomes logical and objective again, right?

There may have been a couple of people on that stage that Obama could "out debate", but Newt Gingrich... who really is a brilliant guy... would mop up the floor with Obama. Obama would also not fare well against Romney who's a very polished speaker, nor would he do well against Jon Huntsman... who was not there last night.

The broader picture though is that Obama has absolutely nothing to run on... no success stories that people will feel he should be rewarded for... no reason at all to give him a second chance. His only strategy... and it's a shaky one... would be to launch very personal attacks against whoever the GOP sends against him.,, and that usually backfires against the attacker.

Funny listening to the mentally challenged who don't understand the first thing about policies, our economy or infrastructure call anyone on either side a moron. What a joke.

Yes, because when the masses spoke and changed the majorities in the midterm elections it was because Obama was oh so convincing.

The sun is setting on your Messiah, let it go.

Come on dude.

Remember the saying: "Never discuss religion or politics".

Just because BFT3K has strong political beliefs doesn't make him "stupid". It's just a discussion. His views are just as relevant as mine or yours. When you guys call each other names it's just childish and makes your viewpoint irrelevant in the conversation to people reading it.

I've met the guy. He isn't stupid at all. And he is 100% in this business. He obviously has life experiences that have led him to be a staunch Democrat. He's not alone. Just like there are millions of folks who are staunch Republicans.

My whole point is that I believe things would be better if people stopped playing party politics and started really looking at individual issues and individual candidates. And doing so with no pre-conceived notions.

Okay, that's all very nice. So you voted for Obama, gave him one term (actually just 3 years), and now you are are ready to throw in the towel. Cool.

He wasn't able to fix every problem in the country in 3 years (so far) while fighting against a Republican opposition who has done nothing but filibuster since day one, but okay, he is a giant failure now. Cool.

You think voting for another Republican - the party that is responsible for the lionshare of the troubles we're in - will "fix" the country's problems. Cool.

You think the GOP will bring everyone together in 2012? Cool.

You think the GOP will suddenly care about the 99% over the top 1%, as they've shown themselves to do, time and time again? Cool.

You think the GOP will not favor the healthcare insurance companies over the care of the people? Cool.

You think the GOP will balance the budget in an equal and fair way, as opposed to doing so on the backs of the poor and middle class? Cool.

You think the GOP will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire? Cool.

You think the GOP will be better than Obama, based upon their "great new ideas" that I have yet to hear? Cool.

Yeah, I am the partisan? Cool.