If you shoot content (for clients) and want more work...

[Kenny B!]

I am looking for content providers that shoot new models, preferably unknown or lesser know talent. I need a smaller amount of specific content of each model shot. It?s all soft stuff, no pee drinking needed for this one:-)

Whether you shoot new models frequently or once a month hit me up on ICQ or by Email and hopefully I can send you some extra work.

The models do not need to speak English (but it doesn?t hurt), age, race, size makes no difference to me for this project.

This could be a great way to help subsidize shoots you?re already doing when you have a model booked for a day.

[ArsewithClass]

Shall be in contact

[Evil Chris]

no pee drinking? haha....

[Paul Markham]

I do custom, $3,000 a scene. Will drop the price for bulk orders. $2,990. LOL

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

I am looking for content providers that shoot new models, preferably unknown or lesser know talent. I need a smaller amount of specific content of each model shot. It?s all soft stuff, no pee drinking needed for this one:-)

Whether you shoot new models frequently or once a month hit me up on ICQ or by Email and hopefully I can send you some extra work.

The models do not need to speak English (but it doesn?t hurt), age, race, size makes no difference to me for this project.

This could be a great way to help subsidize shoots you?re already doing when you have a model booked for a day.

might be interesting, won't work for free though

[Kenny B!]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I do custom, $3,000 a scene. Will drop the price for bulk orders. $2,990. LOL

Paul I need video too, do you know how to use a camera that films movement and sound?

Either way should I need grainy pictures of girls in the exact same poses in each shoot I'll let you know.

[AngelAfterlife]

email sent

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Paul I need video too, do you know how to use a camera that films movement and sound?

Can do no problemo.

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Either way should I need grainy pictures of girls in the exact same poses in each shoot I'll let you know.

Not sure if I could do that. After so long working for markets that demanded better. Will need to rethink how I work.

What I won't do is work on the cheap, what I never needed to do is take work from cheap skates to subsidize shoots. We had enough work at a better price than to work for the cheap skates.

You can say all you like, it's all bullshit. When you can pay $3,000 for a scene. Phone me. If not

[Jon Oso]

Okay all of Paul's delusions aside, I'm pretty affordable.

Hit me up jon at hxwebcams dot com with a general idea of what you're looking for and your budget.

[MaxCandy]

Can we help???

On large orders you can get quality, quantity and a good value!

[MaxCandy]

See: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1040156

for a few of the models i am shooting this month

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

Okay all of Paul's delusions aside, I'm pretty affordable.

Hit me up jon at hxwebcams dot com with a general idea of what you're looking for and your budget.

Reading his post, the shooters have to be very affordable.

The models do not need to speak English (but it doesn?t hurt), age, race, size makes no difference to me for this project.

This could be a great way to help subsidize shoots you?re already doing when you have a model booked for a day.

This guy wants pretty well anything and not paying enough to get a girl in for the day, so wants his content to ride on the back of others.

One of the things I don't understand is why buyers don't do it from the opposite way.

We want solo girl scenes like this. www.a samples scene. com link.

20 minutes HD video to this standard or above.

120 different images, to this standard or above

Sample pic.

We pay $500 to $600 per scene and require X number of scenes of a girl.

Please submit samples of your work to .......................

We pay on delivery of the product. Been in business for years and our rep is second to none for paying.

No they set up a "Dutch Auction" to screw the price down to the lowest level. And end up with what the lowest level can supply and need to throw tons of traffic at it, because it's crap content.

Of course they never do this with traffic. They but banners exclaiming how much they pay for traffic. Because they need so much to make a sale and replace te members who get fed up and leave fast.

[Nikki_Licks]

ICQ sent

[Kenny B!]

Thank to those who have contacted me, still looking for more!

Paul you really don't dignify a response but since you didn't even inquire as to what I am actually looking for, it shows you really are an ignorant troll to even comment on it.

I have had a dozen content providers contact me and this isn't for half of them, but the other 6 have gotten orders and one already sent me a set exactly what I'm looking for, got paid right away and is shooting more for me this weekend.

So while you don't understand why buyers like me do things in the manner I do them, other people get it and are now making some extra money from me.

This isn't a "Dutch Auction" to screw anything or anybody. I have a certain budget for a certain type of shoot, if it suits a content provider, fantastic! If not then no biggy, maybe another time on another project.

As for your half wit comments on what I spend on content, and how long my members stay,you should know better since you obviously know everything. Shooting the niche content that I offer on my sites doesn't come cheap. Pregnant girls are rare and cost a premium, and do you honestly think girls who drink urine work for nothing (even crack costs money;-) I pay my models very well, I pay my affiliates very well, niche content converts and retains.

So keep trolling, you have a trophy for it and will probably have it etched into your gravestone. Just remember people aren't laughing with you

[Nydahl]

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Thank to those who have contacted me, still looking for more!

Paul you really don't dignify a response but since you didn't even inquire as to what I am actually looking for, it shows you really are an ignorant troll to even comment on it.

I have had a dozen content providers contact me and this isn't for half of them, but the other 6 have gotten orders and one already sent me a set exactly what I'm looking for, got paid right away and is shooting more for me this weekend.

So while you don't understand why buyers like me do things in the manner I do them, other people get it and are now making some extra money from me.

This isn't a "Dutch Auction" to screw anything or anybody. I have a certain budget for a certain type of shoot, if it suits a content provider, fantastic! If not then no biggy, maybe another time on another project.

As for your half wit comments on what I spend on content, and how long my members stay,you should know better since you obviously know everything. Shooting the niche content that I offer on my sites doesn't come cheap. Pregnant girls are rare and cost a premium, and do you honestly think girls who drink urine work for nothing (even crack costs money;-) I pay my models very well, I pay my affiliates very well, niche content converts and retains.

So keep trolling, you have a trophy for it and will probably have it etched into your gravestone. Just remember people aren't laughing with you

Paul is right here - but just sort of ok. Its not Kenny but todays market - buyers try to push the price down to the level which doesn't make sense for producers.Well maybe its not working for Paul but still can work for others so.....
bump for Kenny and his project - he is a good and reasonable guy to discusse the biz with - its simply take or leave it stuff here
good luck Kenny

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Nydahl

Paul is right here - but just sort of ok. Its not Kenny but todays market - buyers try to push the price down to the level which doesn't make sense for producers.Well maybe its not working for Paul but still can work for others so.....
bump for Kenny and his project - he is a good and reasonable guy to discusse the biz with - its simply take or leave it stuff here
good luck Kenny

True, very few sites could afford to spend the money to get good content and some that could had the mindset that said it wasn't needed.

It never made sense for good shooters to sell cheap. There were much better markets to sell to. This isn't me, it's 100s of offline porn shooters.

dick heads try to personalise it. Truth is they can't do it any other way. Because the top porn shooters didn't want to know about shooting and selling cheap.

[Nydahl]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

True, very few sites could afford to spend the money to get good content and some that could had the mindset that said it wasn't needed.

It never made sense for good shooters to sell cheap. There were much better markets to sell to. This isn't me, it's 100s of offline porn shooters.

dick heads try to personalise it. Truth is they can't do it any other way. Because the top porn shooters didn't want to know about shooting and selling cheap.

Don't tell me Paul - I never understood myself staying in the "so called" industry which is giving the most of the products out for free.
Talking for myself - 3 times in my life I bought 7-series BMW - but I never got any 3-series for free - maybe I am the exeption but I think not.
Thats why I am on my way out of this biz and already set up mainstream and trying to get out of this stupid concept as fast as possible.

[Paul Markham]

No need for anyone to start getting their orders in on a new Mercedes.

Kenny B! - IA Cash 4:36 PM
Ah well this is just a small project and not suited for everyone, if you shoot higher ebd stuff it probably isn't for you but I'll copy paste the details and you let me know!
What?s I need is one photo set 40-60 pictures, 50% of them with our domain name preferably written somewhere on their body.
One video clip roughly 3-5 minutes, dancing/stripping.
Compensation is $50 total for both pic and video.
As I mentioned in the thread this is great for producers that are already shooting a model and help pay for the session or make a little extra for 20 min of work.
It needs to look home made and amateur, no fancy sets required or make up done etc.

$50 big spender.

[gabe100]

bump for my man Kenny!

[Jon Oso]

Paul, just because you can't afford to shoot for 5-600 bucks doesn't mean that's the norm.

I for one could shoot it and profit from it. When you start out getting paid $3000 per scene you give yourself more room to spend for that scene. When you start out getting paid less, you find every way possible short of fucking the model for money to actually profit on the content you shoot.

Not everyone started in the 60's and not everyone shoots with a 50 person team in billion dollar mansions.

I seriously doubt he's expecting top quality scenes or top quality shooters for $500.

And not all of us are trying to be "top quality porn shooters" as you keep saying. Some people just enjoy doing this and the extra money doesn't hurt either.

[Nydahl]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

Paul, just because you can't afford to shoot for 5-600 bucks doesn't mean that's the norm.

I for one could shoot it and profit from it. When you start out getting paid $3000 per scene you give yourself more room to spend for that scene. When you start out getting paid less, you find every way possible short of fucking the model for money to actually profit on the content you shoot.

Not everyone started in the 60's and not everyone shoots with a 50 person team in billion dollar mansions.

I seriously doubt he's expecting top quality scenes or top quality shooters for $500.

And not all of us are trying to be "top quality porn shooters" as you keep saying. Some people just enjoy doing this and the extra money doesn't hurt either.

not trying to defend Paul ok - he's got some attention even without help but man when U say that some producers simply enjoy doing that .....well if you like point the cam to naked girls and don't care about biz (I mean like costs, price, profits and this sort of things)then go to take some homemade stuff with your wife and enjoy that

[Jon Oso]

Originally Posted by Nydahl

not trying to defend Paul ok - he's got some attention even without help but man when U say that some producers simply enjoy doing that .....well if you like point the cam to naked girls and don't care about biz (I mean like costs, price, profits and this sort of things)then go to take some homemade stuff with your wife and enjoy that

You misunderstood. I'm not shooting the shit for free. And I'm not doing it ONLY because I enjoy it.

BUT, I'll take the work as it comes. I'm not turning down something that I can still make SOME money on just because it's not a TON of money.

It's the same reason I've worked in strip clubs for four years, I enjoy doing it. But I'm not about to stand around a strip club for an entire shift working for free.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No need for anyone to start getting their orders in on a new Mercedes.



$50 big spender.

And your point?

[Nydahl]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

You misunderstood. I'm not shooting the shit for free. And I'm not doing it ONLY because I enjoy it.

BUT, I'll take the work as it comes. I'm not turning down something that I can still make SOME money on just because it's not a TON of money.

It's the same reason I've worked in strip clubs for four years, I enjoy doing it. But I'm not about to stand around a strip club for an entire shift working for free.

ok got the point - sry then - its my english - I am no native speaker so it come out this way to me

[Jon Oso]

Originally Posted by Nydahl

ok got the point - sry then - its my english - I am no native speaker so it come out this way to me

Hell I'm a native speaker and I still don't know what's going on half the time. No worries

[Nydahl]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

Hell I'm a native speaker and I still don't know what's going on half the time. No worries

quit the alcohol maybe? could help man

[Kenny B!]

Again thanks to everyone who's hit me up, even you Paul under a different last name. I have nothing to hide, and yes I have a certain budget for this so if it works for you great, if not then no biggy.

Jon you and some others have the right attitude when it comes to shooting, and that's why you do well for yourself and continue to.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Nydahl

Don't tell me Paul - I never understood myself staying in the "so called" industry which is giving the most of the products out for free.
Talking for myself - 3 times in my life I bought 7-series BMW - but I never got any 3-series for free - maybe I am the exeption but I think not.
Thats why I am on my way out of this biz and already set up mainstream and trying to get out of this stupid concept as fast as possible.

I was lucky to get in when it was good. If I had started when you did, we would be screwed now. Maybe it's arrogant of me, but I don't blame shooters for the mess. I blame cheap skates like Kenny who think shooters can produce this.

40-60 pictures, 50% of them with our domain name preferably written somewhere on their body.
One video clip roughly 3-5 minutes, dancing/stripping.

For

Compensation is $50 total for both pic and video

So no retirement plan.

I was scanning some of my stuff from 1988 and it wasn't good. Still I could sell to mags by then. 1980 was my first sale to mags, Mayfair. But in general my work was not good. If I had started in 200 knowing what I knew in 1977. We would be fucked.

No way do I blame shooters and looking at many who did start in 2000 or around then, there work has progressed. Those who didn't have left.

[amacontent]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

True, very few sites could afford to spend the money to get good content and some that could had the mindset that said it wasn't needed.

It never made sense for good shooters to sell cheap. There were much better markets to sell to. This isn't me, it's 100s of offline porn shooters.

dick heads try to personalise it. Truth is they can't do it any other way. Because the top porn shooters didn't want to know about shooting and selling cheap.

I thought you retired man youve become a hateful old bat.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

Paul, just because you can't afford to shoot for 5-600 bucks doesn't mean that's the norm.

The rest was Blah Blah. So no need to repeat it.

On a casting we had all sorts of girls turn up trying to get some work. If they had IDs and not good enough to sell to a better market, we shot 20-30 images of them. We sold these non exclusive to UK, US and other places magazines + Internet, as "Readers Wives." What Kenny is looking for is exactly what we shot.

The sets costs were 500 CZK to the girl, todays rate $27, then $20-$25. With the repeat sales we would make $300 to $500 a set. That we still own.

Online porn has devastated most of offline and now devastating itself slowly, for more and more it's dead.

Because we could sell for more we didn't bother selling to people like Kenny. And I can afford to retire.

And your point?

Is simple. When you lower the bar you get a flood of little people rushing in screwing up the business trying to make a buck with little thought for the long term damage it will do. Read that as damage it has done and continues to do.

Putting up a website is pretty easy.
Driving traffic even easier.
Starting in online porn. Dead easy.

All these can be done to an acceptable standard. Easily and for low costs.

The one thing that can't be done easily and for low costs is shoot porn that's worth buying. That could of been the high bar that kept out people who had the other skills, which face it can't be hard as there are so many of you. Saturation of people and sites has hurt online porn.

If you can't play at a better level, you're out.

[BUDOAR]

50$ for 10 min work is not bad, because this can be the bonus for a good girl. Don't see what is the problem as from the beginning Kenny sad that is a job for someone who shoot a model for the entire day. So, bump for Kenny!

[fuzebox]

One of my sites, the scenes are like 5-10 minutes long. The only way it is so profitable is because I keep my content costs down by working with other shooters while they already have the model in. I thought that was called good business

[Kenny B!]

Originally Posted by BUDOAR

50$ for 10 min work is not bad, because this can be the bonus for a good girl. Don't see what is the problem as from the beginning Kenny sad that is a job for someone who shoot a model for the entire day. So, bump for Kenny!

Thanks! I realize this isn't for everyone but I have some producers that shoot 10-15 new girls a month, they toss in my 20 min of work and bam $500 to $750 a month extra in their pocket with zero extra cost.

Paul doesn't get it, he is really living up to the troll award. I suppose I should just ignore what he writes and thank him for bumping the thread.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by amacontent

I thought you retired man youve become a hateful old bat.

I tend to get hateful when people insult me. Kenny has insulted me here and in the past.

Never got hateful with people who don't insult me, I will debate hard. But don't hate.

No one on GFY is worth hating, anyway.

[Kenny B!]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I tend to get hateful when people insult me. Kenny has insulted me here and in the past.

Never got hateful with people who don't insult me, I will debate hard. But don't hate.

No one on GFY is worth hating, anyway.

Wow I agree with you on something, it's all playful ball busting, no hate here.

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

I am looking for content providers that shoot new models, preferably unknown or lesser know talent. I need a smaller amount of specific content of each model shot. It?s all soft stuff, no pee drinking needed for this one:-)

Whether you shoot new models frequently or once a month hit me up on ICQ or by Email and hopefully I can send you some extra work.

The models do not need to speak English (but it doesn?t hurt), age, race, size makes no difference to me for this project.

This could be a great way to help subsidize shoots you?re already doing when you have a model booked for a day.

Passed your post on to a few other shooters.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Thanks! I realize this isn't for everyone but I have some producers that shoot 10-15 new girls a month, they toss in my 20 min of work and bam $500 to $750 a month extra in their pocket with zero extra cost.

Paul doesn't get it, he is really living up to the troll award. I suppose I should just ignore what he writes and thank him for bumping the thread.

I do get it. They haven't got anything better to do. State the market has declined to.

I'm living in the past when I could do the same and make $4,500 and still own the content.

I think the problem isn't with me. I totally get why online pays so little for the product. What online doesn't get or refuses to accept is that offline paid 10 times more for a similar product. Nothing you can personalized to me because it applies to all offline porn shooters. We all worked for better pay.

And this is not about today. Online porn has paid producers badly from the beginning of online porn.

These are sets I shot on a casting of girls that turned up for castings with IDs.


Readers Wives 1

Readers Wives 2

Sometime a cute one would walk in and we could shoot a $3,000 set of her in 40 minutes. And online porn never understood that or refused to understand it.

I understand why online porn pays so badly for the product. Combination of any of these factors. Can't afford to, don't think the product is that important, think if they throw enough traffic at it someone will buy and prepared to accept low standards if the price is right. Tell mi I'm wrong and explain why.

Yes it's all over. Still because we got in early we were able to get out and I could retire.

[Paul Markham]

For years I've been reading and listening to the BS of online porn guys.

Online surfers don't want your glam or magazine style of content." Or words to the similar. Now look around at all the sites with that content in. And the content producers who were telling me those words. Whoops, they've gone.

Free is bringing in millions of surfers to buy. Well it wasn't. You now think free is ruining online porn.

You're living in the past. Online porn is the future. Well not for many who were saying that, they're gone, going, hanging on or moving to web cams and dating and hoping that's the future. Some are even saying the days of paysite memberships are coming to an end and all businesses "slow down". Tell Microsoft and Apple that.

And countless other things that have now been shown to be BS. So when I sit here pointing out the flaws in your business plans. Don't be too harsh on me for pointing out the obvious.

[Nydahl]

Originally Posted by Kenny B!

Thanks! I realize this isn't for everyone but I have some producers that shoot 10-15 new girls a month, they toss in my 20 min of work and bam $500 to $750 a month extra in their pocket with zero extra cost.

Paul doesn't get it, he is really living up to the troll award. I suppose I should just ignore what he writes and thank him for bumping the thread.

Well Kenny U are surely not right at this point.As I said I am on your side - take or leave it so no prob with that.
But Its not 50 USD profit as you mentioned above cause you surely got some production spends.U must pay something to a girl - they are all lazy devils and once they see U putting some URL on chest they ask for money for doing something extra + you still pay location and it means time that U could spend on another products.
Also 50 bucks - man its good lunch and coffee here or quarter of the fuel tank in my car.
I am sure that some garage boys can grabb this deal and I think its ok but surely no reputable producers - the fact is that U don't need any "big" boys.
So as I said - take it or leave it and Kenny is reasonable guy to talk to. point