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10-16-2011, 07:39 AM

He came in here to defend his companys name that was named in this thread. Not to be a punching bag. lol

He also defended a couple that stole from a ton of affiliates.

I think biggy makes enough money where this all seems like small stuff and thats what gives him this why not let the poor couple have more attitude.

While he did convince me that it's not him being a main part of it, definitely didn't come to this thread like I would have if i was in his position.

I would have came in here saying

"what they did was not right but its their choice and not mine, im giving myself distance from them, while they are still friends, i can assure you i wont be doing business with them at any time again and you can trust that i would never treat my affiliates like this"

instead he said, well the thousands they make off this network a month isn't enough, it makes sense that they did this (and i may have even mentioned the idea to them)

Somebody needs to work on their PR considering it now appears as if you'd do the same thing if you werent making what you used to be making.

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10-16-2011, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by Pseudonymous

what they did was not right but its their choice and not mine, im giving myself distance from them, while they are still friends, i can assure you i wont be doing business with them at any time again and you can trust that i will not be doing this with my business."

If you look carefully at my posts in ENTIRETY, that is what I did. I said I am a messenger and providing transparency. Someone said I was defending them, to which I adamantly said, no I am not. But I get the thread is long and people don't want to read. Not paying people is wrong. When I found out, I took the appropriate action of letting people know.

But I also did say they ran out of $, and this is what happens when people run out of $. Go back and re-read everything, including my posts.

Then I responded to some other random comments people posted, and now people just assume I am on their side since I am disagreeing with them over other smaller comments, so as you get lost in the little things, their perception of the big picture is now totally changed, so let me say it one more time. Not paying affiliates is wrong.

will76 - is a known idiot. dude will argue anything until he's blue in the face, not even going to attempt to go there haha or read his posts tbh.

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10-16-2011, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by Biggy2

If you look carefully at my posts, that is what I did. I said I am a messenger and providing transparency. Someone said I was defending them, to which I adamantly said, no I am not. But I get the thread is long and people don't want to read. Not paying people is never right.

But I did say they ran out of $, and this is what happens when people run out of $. I am done. Go back and re-read everything, including my posts.

Then I responded to some other random comments people posted, and now people just assume I am on their side since I am disagreeing with them.

will76 - is a known idiot.

Sorry you may be right, I didnt' read every single post in this thread. My apologies if thats the case. I read a bunch of quoted posts of yours that made it appear so.

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10-16-2011, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Pseudonymous

Sorry you may be right, I didnt' read every single post in this thread. My apologies if thats the case. I read a bunch of quoted posts of yours that made it appear so.

yea, a lot of idiots or people who wanted to hate took my comments out of context. easy to take one statement as part of a paragraph or thought, and totally alter it. hence why i wrote ENTIRETY in capital letters.

a lot of idiots here who love drama, they aren't even owed $. its ridiculous.

and the ones that are owed, are for the most part saying good things.

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10-16-2011, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Biggy2

yea, a lot of idiots took my comments out of context. easy to take one statement as part of a paragraph or thought, and totally alter it. hence why i wrote ENTIRETY in capital letters.

a lot of idiots here who love drama, they aren't even owed.

That is true but while some people aren't owed, I think alot of untrusting affiliates who have been screwed one too many times effects alot of people, especially other solo girl program owners. For example, if I moved my program over to my own merchant account like I one day plan on doing, the first thing people will be doing is questioning it because of moves pulled by people like Shane & Melissa. So I really think it hurts alot of us.

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10-16-2011, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Pseudonymous

That is true but while some people aren't owed, I think alot of untrusting affiliates who have been screwed one too many times effects alot of people, especially other solo girl program owners. For example, if I moved my program over to my own merchant account like I one day plan on doing, the first thing people will be doing is questioning it because of moves pulled by people like Shane & Melissa. So I really think it hurts alot of us.

I think these affiliates are more bark than their bite to be honest. And the more they are barking, the worst their business is getting. The successful guys are quiet and working. Affiliate model is changing, most are left behind, some are ahead of the curve and doing really well. They need to wake up, look in the mirror, and really assess what their future is and if they want to be successful, and map out a plan to get there. This is a game of knowledge, intelligence, and execution.

From an affiliate's perspective:

1. Avoid all risk, bind and limit yourself to one company, and run a non-optimized limited set up, while you compete with the people who keep all options open.

2. Take on risk, open your horizons on promotional products, don't limit yourself at all, and probably take on more $ and more losses, while being more diversified. Show me a very successful company, and then tell me they don't have problems they have to manage around (non-payments, lawsuits, etc).

Anyone who agrees with #1 is flawed. If you sign up to be wholly risk-averse, then you are limiting yourself in big big ways. Maybe they have been burned and its an emotional argument, but they surely are not helping themselves #win into the future. They can argue until they are blue in the face but they are on their way out. This is definitely a business for the lions. It's about taking a punch in the gut and moving forward. Look at what I have to deal with at this thread alone. You see me running away or hiding or not taking my shots?

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10-16-2011, 08:45 AM

stealing is stealing, no excuse. I guess we should all forgive JJ of SOBV, he also made people a ton of money before stealing affiliate's money.
I guess next time someone robs a bank they should use the I'm broke, behind on bills, and need food to feed my kids. And I'm a hot chick with nice tits excuse

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10-16-2011, 08:53 AM

This situation sucks. I know it's an old deal for biggy and he would never have structured it that way today. I've always had to be 100% in control of the dollars( in partnerships) for reasons like this. Models (and their suitcase pimps) have a track record of eventually going down this path
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10-16-2011, 09:06 AM

you are either in business or out of business...
go the bankrupt route and let the trustee deal with the mess...

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10-16-2011, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by the Shemp

you are either in business or out of business...
go the bankrupt route and let the trustee deal with the mess...

Exactly. There is a contractual obligation to pay affiliates what they're owed. The only legal way out is bankruptcy.
Otherwise, it's theft. The affiliate could have sent the join instead to a competing website and received the money for it...

It's no different than hiring a contractor to fix your house and refusing to pay for it... Affiliates are 'contractors' hired to generate traffic and sales..
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10-16-2011, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

It's a civil matter at the very least but that fact does not necessarily preclude a criminal act. It's incredibly rare but under some circumstances it has happened that such things became more. I could probably locate some case law if I really needed to but blah.

That's what I meant. It was to the people saying calls the cops. Yeah, because its her and where she lives they might give her other trouble but they wont arrest her just because she isn't making payouts. Its just a business contract. I doubt she broke any criminal law regarding that unless there is some type of fraud we don't know about. Companies stop paying their bills every day though.
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10-16-2011, 09:19 AM

We have been jason-forrest'd, at least I (we) lost less money this time

And, kids/family, all that is absolute bullshit, trying to smooth over and "reasoning", and trying to sympathize with Shane and family

....fuckit, we ALL have families, bills, and shit to pay for, they opened a revshare program and agreed to pay sales/rebills and now are still taking new members and not paying affiliates shit

they took a dump on every single affiliates chest. For me thank god it was a small dump, jj sobv took a massive squirty shit on my chest

Sorry to Biggy, good guy, and I understand he's trying to make least drama out of this... but truth is, they could get jobs, man up and take responsibility for his bad decision-making.

Nothing much to say though anymore, I agree, affiliates we must move on, delink the hell out of their site, and add to our blacklists to hopefully prevent anyone in future to do buziness with Shaner

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10-16-2011, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by ruff

And Paul, you are dead wrong in this thread.

Please then explain why. So others can learn.

I'm telling you how it is, not how it should be.

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10-16-2011, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

Paul, realize though that if an affiliate sending sales disappears it does not necessarily mean that a given sponsor will get all those surfers. The traffic ends up being distributed more by niche and can easily go to another sponsor within that niche. For example if I got that surfer by being #1 on Google for a given term more than likely after my site falls the #2 person will become #1 and get that surfer. This is especially the case for smaller sponsors where more than the likely that traffic will go to the bigger players. Sponsors don't just give affiliates free money for nothing. There is a reason for the system although it's importance has lessened over the years.

Yes the surfer stays online and keeps surfing. Didn't say anything about him not staying online. And we are talking about future traffic. Past traffic is a done deal.

It's not really $15 out of her pocket because that $15 contractually really doesn't belong to her in the first place. Affiliate programs have been getting away with it for years but there is a case for calling it fraud. In theory if an affiliate wanted to really push things they could cause legal trouble. More than likely civil but it isn't unheard of for it to be criminal.

True. And they do it because they know affiliates will do nothing but moan.

Often the programs who start ripping off affiliates are doing so out of desperation so it isn't unusual for these programs to disappear shortly thereafter. In most cases if they were doing well they wouldn't have to rip off their affiliates.

True and why they disappear if they don't replace the affiliates work. I've never said marketing and funneling traffic past a site isn't needed. Just said online porn over pays for it in many ways.

Manwin and Pimproll are showing you the future. More programs will follow their route. If I was still working, I would be thinking of opening a Tube and going that route rather than fishing for affiliates. Direct selling makes perfect business sense.

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10-16-2011, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by the Shemp

you are either in business or out of business...
go the bankrupt route and let the trustee deal with the mess...

You missed.

Hanging on.
Going bankrupt.
Adapting.

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