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10-15-2011, 03:05 PM

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Can I make a suggestion? Close down the site (gracefully) and pay the affiliates using the card processing holdback. 10% worth of 6 months of revenue should be sufficient to cover the 2-3 missed payment periods.

(That's assuming there was a holdback in place... is it still typically 10% held for 6mo?)

why

that site will be making good cash. its been in mainstream news and is well known.

on top of that most webmasters will not remove the links or fhg. many will not know about the site (affiliate) closing nor will most remeber were the links are.

so for years they will rake it in.

so sit back, and rake in the cash.

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10-15-2011, 03:11 PM

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An idiot for explaining why I was misunderstood?

What would we call you with nothing else to say...... boring, tedious, unintelligent? But hey Thanks for your input, twas most thrilling....

No, idiot for not understanding what was being said. Call me what you like, I'm not bothered.

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10-15-2011, 03:14 PM

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No, idiot for not understanding what was being said. Call me what you like, I'm not bothered.

You are doing it again, trolling.... I understand... all I had said was that thieving stolen content back from a site is not always the right method

I ain't no thief, Id rather take the appropriate actions. That's all...

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10-15-2011, 03:15 PM

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10-15-2011, 03:15 PM

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10-15-2011, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by DVTimes

why

that site will be making good cash. its been in mainstream news and is well known.

on top of that most webmasters will not remove the links or fhg. many will not know about the site (affiliate) closing nor will most remeber were the links are.

so for years they will rake it in.

so sit back, and rake in the cash.

I was attempting to give them the benefit of the doubt. Biggy2 says they're broke, which is apparently why they can't pay their affiliates. If this is genuine, my suggestion is a way to (slowly) pay out all that is owed.

I do find it hard to believe that the website would be running at a loss though. Stop making content, turn it into an archive only site priced a little lower, continue paying affiliates...
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10-15-2011, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by DVTimes

why

that site will be making good cash. its been in mainstream news and is well known.

on top of that most webmasters will not remove the links or fhg. many will not know about the site (affiliate) closing nor will most remeber were the links are.

so for years they will rake it in.

so sit back, and rake in the cash.

I received 2 separate emails from them about the program closing. So they are doing more than most to notify everyone to do what they must. Between directly emailing affiliates and these board posts most should know. There will still be links up, just part of the business. Most affiliates have some links out there for closed sites. An unfortunate part of the business.

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10-15-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by rowan

I was attempting to give them the benefit of the doubt. Biggy2 says they're broke, which is apparently why they can't pay their affiliates. If this is genuine, my suggestion is a way to (slowly) pay out all that is owed.

I do find it hard to believe that the website would be running at a loss though. Stop making content, turn it into an archive only site priced a little lower, continue paying affiliates...

This could be a very lucrative way of big earnings for both the program & the affiliates
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10-15-2011, 03:28 PM

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Biggy2,

See the problem is they do have money to pay affiliates since they are leaving the site up and they are still processing rebills. If it is revshare that means the affiliate is due 50% or whatever it is. They can pay that 50%. So it's not a question of not being able to pay. It's a question of who they want to pay and in what order as well as what they need for themselves.

What they seem to be trying to do is just cutting out their affiliates so they can steal their rebills while keeping the site up. That is why I am pissed and I think that is why others are pissed too. It'd be totally different if this weren't the case.

I have nothing personal against them or even you otherwise. But yes as an adult affiliate screwing over affiliates pisses me off and I will raise hell about it when I see it.

The way I understand what he is saying is...they are broke...they may be facing bankruptcy...in the meantime they have the usual bills to pay...mortgage/rent-utilities-groceries etc. and there are children involved...so what ever money that may be coming in from the site they are using that money to help them survive and apparently there is so little money coming in from the site that there just isn't any money left to pay out to affiliates. So he is saying that what ever ethics they may have or obligation to pay others what they owe ...when faced with personal survival...those ethics and obligations go out the window and their survival comes first.

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10-15-2011, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by ArsewithClass

This could be a very lucrative way of big earnings for both the program & the affiliates

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10-15-2011, 03:36 PM

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Thank you for your input.

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10-15-2011, 03:43 PM

Doesn't really matter how broke they are. Everyone has bills to pay. It isn't their money to keep, it belongs to the affiliates. You can't just decide one day that you aren't making enough money for yourself anymore, so you're going to intercept someone else's money.

edit: unless you're a democrat.

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10-15-2011, 03:49 PM

I don't like her comment on her youtube video:

I made everyone a lot of money for the last 10 years, way longer than most any single girl site period, it's time to move on sorry. The money is just not coming in anymore like it used to everyone knows that, Melissa

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10-15-2011, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

Doesn't really matter how broke they are. Everyone has bills to pay. It isn't their money to keep, it belongs to the affiliates. You can't just decide one day that you aren't making enough money for yourself anymore, so you're going to intercept someone else's money.

edit: unless you're a democrat.

couldn't have said it better myself

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10-15-2011, 03:54 PM

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The way I understand what he is saying is...they are broke...they may be facing bankruptcy...in the meantime they have the usual bills to pay...mortgage/rent-utilities-groceries etc. and there are children involved...so what ever money that may be coming in from the site they are using that money to help them survive and apparently there is so little money coming in from the site that there just isn't any money left to pay out to affiliates. So he is saying that what ever ethics they may have or obligation to pay others what they owe ...when faced with personal survival...those ethics and obligations go out the window and their survival comes first.

Correct. This post accurately reflects the point I am trying to make. Thank you.

This thread now has 3500 views, 200 + replies, and a fuck ton of bantering amongst people who aren't even affected. Would any one else want to chime in and give them your opinion, you all seem to want to walk in other people's shoes like it's oh so easy.

The people with the loudest right to complain, (i.e. the largest affiliates, and trust me when I say, the word 'large' is used incredibly liberal here) have actually come in here, thanked her, and said nice things. Go figure.
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10-15-2011, 03:54 PM

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I don't like the comment on her youtube video:

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10-15-2011, 03:56 PM

Melissa could make great money by " FUCKING A FAN"

seriously if she is that screwed for $ why not?

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10-15-2011, 03:58 PM

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i trust facts and reality. not the internet witch hunt of a pack of white knights.

I had about $6 owed in the stats (don't care about that at all) and i'm pretty sure they still billed with ccbill too??

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10-15-2011, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Biggy2

Correct. This post accurately reflects the point I am trying to make. Thank you.

This thread now has 3500 views, 200 + replies, and a fuck ton of bantering amongst people who aren't even affected. Would any one else want to chime in and give them your opinion, you all seem to want to walk in other people's shoes like it's oh so easy.

The people with the loudest right to complain, (i.e. the largest affiliates, and trust me when I say, the word 'large' is used incredibly liberal here) have actually come in here, thanked her, and said nice things. Go figure.

What you don't seem to get is that we do have a right to complain because when this starts becoming the standard procedure we all are going to end up getting screwed. In fact if it hadn't have been allowed in the past they probably would not have even tried to get away with doing this.

It's too bad they couldn't have kept the program up and explained their problems while kindly asking that affiliates try to send them more traffic in order to help them out (it might not be too late to try this FWIW). Or at least give a little more notice. As it is they just pulled the program (but left the sites and billing up) and said "get lost" to their affiliates with some sweet words.

Nine years ago I closed a small affiliate program myself. But I did it in a much fairer way. I gave 30 days notice and I completely shut down the site and the billing. I'm sorry they are having bad times (if that is true) but it isn't right to steal from your affiliates and it might even end up landing them in legal trouble or complicating any bankruptcy they attempt.

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10-15-2011, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by georgeyw

I had about $6 owed in the stats (don't care about that at all) and i'm pretty sure they still billed with ccbill too??

ok we are up to six bucks owed to affiliates.
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10-15-2011, 04:04 PM

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ok we are up to six bucks owed to affiliates.

Please, you don't give a shit how much is owed to the affiliates, facts, or reality, as clearly demonstrated from your posts.

But here is some fact and reality anyway, even if $6 is all that's owed, it's still stealing, they are all thieves, and you condone it. I learned a lot from this thread, thank you all.

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10-15-2011, 04:05 PM

That's the way it goes with these programs. They come out of the gate, enjoy great success, especially using the affiliate model that just crashed and burned, market changes and they don't change with it, can't make the payments on the lifestyle and back to earth they fall. Meanwhile, it is fuck you to everybody else. Just another fuck job documented on GFY. Who's next? Some of you more astute poindexters may have noticed a trend here. It's been going on for quite a few years. These program owners aren't stupid, they see that no action is taken against thieves, no lawsuits, no problems with the IRS, no jailtime. So what is the downside? A few threads on the forums that die down and a few days later it's old news. So who's next?

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10-15-2011, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

What you don't seem to get is that we do have a right to complain because when this starts becoming the standard procedure we all are going to end up getting screwed. In fact if it hadn't have been allowed in the past they probably would not have even tried to get away with doing this.

It's too bad they couldn't have kept the program up and explained their problems while kindly asking that affiliate try to send them more traffic in order to help them out (it might not be too late to try this FWIW). Or at least give a little more notice. As it is they just pulled the program (but left the sites and billing up) and said "get lost" to their affiliates with some sweet words.

Yeah, that would've been an awesome message.

"Hey guys,

We stopped paying you, but send us more traffic and we'll try to catch up at some point, even with all the problems we have. Our conversion ratios are fucking awesome, there's hasnt been a content shoot in 2-3 years, and melissa is going on 30. We know how patient and understanding affiliates are when it comes to non-payment, so please push us more. Thanks."

I've said it multiple times. YOU SIR, ARE AN IDIOT. This was handled correctly. When it became clear there was no money going out, I made sure to put notices everywhere, and shut it down. Please stop posting, I'm getting dumber reading your messages and replying to them.

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10-15-2011, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Biggy2

This was handled correctly.

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10-15-2011, 04:11 PM

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Yeah, that would've been an awesome message.

"Hey guys,

We stopped paying you, but send us more traffic and we'll try to catch up at some point, even with all the problems we have. Our conversion ratios are fucking awesome, there's hasnt been a content shoot in 2-3 years, and melissa is going on 30. We know how patient and understanding affiliates are when it comes to non-payment, so please push us more. Thanks."

I've said it multiple times. YOU SIR, ARE AN IDIOT. This was handled correctly. When it became clear there was no money going out, I made sure to put notices everywhere.

...and you're just a hostile little shit.

I've seen people do it before. It's called kindness and respecting business partners. I've knowingly kept sending clicks to sponsors who had payment problems because I respected them and trusted them. They actually came through and paid me. But I knew they would. It would be a lot better than ripping off your affiliates anyway.

I'm not shitting you at all when I tell you that I have seen local business owners charged with fraud for doing stuff like this. One had a dance studio and accepted advance yearly subscriptions the very day before they decided to close and flee the state in the middle of the night. The police decided to pursue it. The question is how long did they know they were shutting down? It can very well lead to jailtime. Want to see them in jail?

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10-15-2011, 04:11 PM

how much control of this did/does Melissa even have? i've met her a few times and she was an amazing, kind hearted and above board girl in my opinion (and everyone elses). i can't picture her being ok with "epassing" affiliates. she is talented and far from finished or washed up. surely there could have been a way to rescue or revive the program with the help of larger programs. at the very least she could have sold out to one of many companies that would have been happy to take over. this doesn't make sense unless she didn't have control of her own program.

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10-15-2011, 04:13 PM

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...and you're just a hostile little shit.

I've seen people do it before. It's called kindness and respecting business partners. I've knowingly kept sending clicks to sponsors who had payment problems because I respected them and trusted them. They actually came through and paid me. But I knew they would. It would be a lot better than ripping off your affiliates anyway.

I'm not shitting you at all when I tell you that I have seen local business owners charged with fraud for doing stuff like this. One had a dance studio and accepted advance yearly subscriptions the very day before the decided to close and flee the state in the middle of the night. The police decided to pursue it. The question is how long did they know they were shutting down? It can very well lead to jailtime. Want to see them in jail?

You must have graduated from Harvard law.
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10-15-2011, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

It can very well lead to jailtime. Want to see them in jail?

over the six bucks that seems to be owed so far?
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10-15-2011, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by porno jew

over the six bucks that seems to be owed so far?

definitely time for a class action lawsuit

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10-15-2011, 04:18 PM

i think the cash went on that big tv.

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10-15-2011, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Biggy2

You must have graduated from Harvard law.

I'm not saying it will happen but that it could and that I have seen it happen in similar cases. How long did they plan this? If they were accepting rev share signups after they knew they would likely be closing it could be construed as fraud. If the police in the local area want to go after them and someone gets pissed enough to try it could happen.

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10-15-2011, 04:28 PM

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10-15-2011, 04:28 PM

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You can't be shocked when they have a name like that.

i could never understand why people pick stupid names like that for affiliate programs.

would you ever eat at a place called "Eat Shit Cafe"?

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10-15-2011, 04:29 PM

there are still rebills that are active, i know because i have two accounts, both with active rebills. i bought out someone's MM account (and a site) 2 years ago for low 4 figures.
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10-15-2011, 04:30 PM

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i could never understand why people pick stupid names like that for affiliate programs.

would you ever eat at a place called "Eat Shit Cafe"?

you're right. FYC has experienced no success, nor do we make payouts on time and every time. the name isn't memorable at all.

if only I could've come up with an affiliate program name like yours.. chica4cash.com
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10-15-2011, 04:30 PM

Is she owes you money.

Just cut off her watermark on her pictures and use her content as if you own it.
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10-15-2011, 04:37 PM

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there are still rebills that are active, i know because i have two accounts, both with active rebills. i bought out someone's MM account (and a site) 2 years ago for low 4 figures.

There has to be rebills still active otherwise Biggy2 would be offering to pay what little is owed to affiliates and none of this would matter. It's obviously enough that they think they will be able to live off what they take from affiliates.

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10-15-2011, 04:38 PM

According to PornoJew none of these affiliates coming forward actually exist.

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10-15-2011, 05:11 PM

Is there any payment program that routes the cash to the affiliate first so this can't happen? If I was doing it, I'd have the payout go to the affiliate before or concurrent to paying the site.

I don't know any of the principles, I'm not an affiliate, and other than hoping the children get fed I have no stake at all in this.
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10-15-2011, 05:38 PM

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10-15-2011, 05:53 PM

I cant believe people are bitching about this, this is a solo model who hasn't been popular in about 4-5 years. I remember when she was the best thing since sliced bread and that was quote some time ago. I can't image them really owing that much money to people, where it is going to change anyone's life. I had some links up and sent some traffic, dont think its gotten a sale in about 2 years.

Out of all the posts of people bitching here, is there anyone who can prove they are out a shitload of money from rebills or sales? I doubt it. (unless i missed something already posted)
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10-15-2011, 05:56 PM

Being a solo program owner, I am pretty aware of what melissamidwest is making. Between what she still makes with 25k a day (the same type of traffic I get to mine) and the fact that she built up a huge member base so she has a ton of members retained. I can guarantee you that you guys are all being fed bullshit and they are still making a decent amount off that website.

If you receive roughly 20-25k a day, youre converting some of that. Theres no question about that, who do you think will believe otherwise? Traffic levels are public information.

20-25k a day that you receive is still more than most paysites these days.

Supz, if you ran solo girl websites, you'd understand exactly how many sales they are getting a day and that number is still higher than some newer sites.

DawsonMiller is a perfect example and shes making a few thousand a month, hasn't been active for years and has roughly the same amount of traffic, a good comparison

You are all being lied to about how they can't make a nats payment unless them to are relying on this website to pay all their bills and counting their bills towards costs. If so, at that time you go out and get a full time job instead of ripping people off.

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10-15-2011, 05:56 PM

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10-15-2011, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Supz

I cant believe people are bitching about this, this is a solo model who hasn't been popular in about 4-5 years. I remember when she was the best thing since sliced bread and that was quote some time ago. I can't image them really owing that much money to people, where it is going to change anyone's life. I had some links up and sent some traffic, dont think its gotten a sale in about 2 years.

Out of all the posts of people bitching here, is there anyone who can prove they are out a shitload of money from rebills or sales? I doubt it. (unless i missed something already posted)

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10-15-2011, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by WebCashMaker

Is she owes you money.

Just cut off her watermark on her pictures and use her content as if you own it.

Great idea.

I'm out.
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10-15-2011, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Supz

Out of all the posts of people bitching here, is there anyone who can prove they are out a shitload of money from rebills or sales? I doubt it. (unless i missed something already posted)

Why does it matter if anyone is "out a shitload of money"? If it's even $10 then that is their ten dollars which is due to them.

People like you come here and tell us that unless we are affiliates with the program who are owed a lot of cash we shouldn't be speaking but at the same time who the hell are you? Are you even an affiliate in adult business at all? If not, then you have no room to talk about affiliates complaining or calling a sponsor out over this. For the most part affiliates understand why this stuff is bad because we empathize. I've noticed lots of other sponsors and others like yourself defending this sort of thing and let me tell you brother that gives me a very bad feeling about some of you. Maybe some of you are the ones who should be sitting down and shutting up?

Last edited by signupdamnit; 10-15-2011, 06:25 PM.

You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.
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10-15-2011, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by signupdamnit

Why does it matter if anyone is "out a shitload of money"? If it's even $10 then that is their ten dollars which is due to them.

People like you come here and tell us that unless we are affiliates with the program who are owed a lot of cash we shouldn't be speaking but at the same time who the hell are you? Are you even an affiliate in adult business at all? If not, then you have no room to talk about affiliates complaining or calling a sponsor out over this. For the most part affiliates understand why this stuff is bad because we empathize. I've noticed lots of other sponsors and others like yourself defending this sort of thing and let me tell you brother that gives me a very bad feeling about some of you. Maybe some of you are the ones who should be sitting down and shutting up?

This is what I don't understand either. Everyone bitches and moans about the industry and its problems. .xxx, tubes, content theft, card banging, file sharing, etc, etc, etc. Yet, here is a clear example of theft, fucking crystal clear. Now we find people supporting it, people blowing it off as no big deal, and everyone just keeping their mouths shut. Take notes, on who says what in these threads, this is an important lesson to all affiliates.

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