Young people think illegal downloading is actually legal.

[kane]

That might not be a true statement for every young person, but I had a fascinating conversation with my 18 year old nephew over the holiday. He managed to get his sister's laptop infected with a ton of viruses and spyware so I was fixing it and explaining to him how P2P programs and much of the crap he is downloading is full of spyware and virus.

Our conversation turns to music when I see that in the last 6 months he has downloaded about 1,000 songs. I ask him if he realizes that is illegal. He tells me it isn't. I ask him how it is not and he explains to me that if someone bought the CD then uploaded it all he is doing is sharing it so it isn't illegal. I tried to explain the reality of how copyright works, but he didn't care and was 100% sure that it was perfectly fine to download as much stuff as he wanted since someone somewhere had paid for it and it was all just sharing. I asked him how many of his friends felt the same way and downloaded the stuff they had. He replied, "All of them."

It seems like the youth of today may not even realize they are breaking the law and even if they do know so they don't seem to care. If it is online, they can have it for free is their motto.

I told him if he one day gets hit with a massive lawsuit don't come to me looking for help because I told him not to do it.

The funny part of the whole story is that I went through the history and saw what sites he used to download stuff, I uninstalled the clients the blocked those sites in IE. He is going to be pissed

[Jarmusch]

Nothing new here, it's been like that for a long time. Most kids grew up downloading music and movies and never bought a CD in their lives.

BTW what porn tubes did he have in his history?

[bronco67]

I think the problem is that kids don't understand the basics of how a goods/services economy works.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

Nothing new here, it's been like that for a long time. Most kids grew up downloading music and movies and never bought a CD in their lives.

BTW what porn tubes did he have in his history?

LOL the funny thing was I didn't see any porn tubes, but there was a lot of searches for general stuff like lesbian girls kissing, big tits etc. Of course he had the word free with every search so it was "free lesbian girls kissing" "free big tits." The problem is that he is a horrible speller so his results must have sucked because his searches read like "Fre Lezbean girl kising."

Judging by the sheer number of searches he might be the only person left who spells so badly he can't find free porn. LOL

[kane]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I think the problem is that kids don't understand the basics of how a goods/services economy works.

I'm sure that is some of it. I read an article in Rolling Stone a while back about Rick Rubin. When he took over as the head of Columbia Records one of the first things he did was have a team put together a bunch of focus groups nationwide on college campuses and ask the college kids how they found new music and what their buying habits were. The two most common ways the found new music were the radio and friends suggesting/telling them about stuff. When it came to buying, they never paid and didn't see anything wrong with it.

[Cystomatic]

No offence, but your nephew is a dumbass.

1. He thinks downloading stuff, that usually would cost, is not illegal.
2. He is using Internet Explorer, da fuck man?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Cystomatic

No offence, but your nephew is a dumbass.

1. He thinks downloading stuff, that usually would cost, is not illegal.
2. He is using Internet Explorer, da fuck man?

In my defense I never said he wasn't a dumbass. . . all signs point to him being just that so we are in total agreement.

[Nembrionic]

15 Years ago we - the kids- thought that if you download something of a BBS or got something from a warez CD, it was legal to install it as long as you removed it within 24 hours of installing. Of course, nobody did.

And of course that's a whole lotta BS



So the problem is education on the matter and if kids do something for several years because they were taught to do it's going to be hard to make them believe otherwise.

Start at the school. Teach then what is illegal.

[blackmonsters]

Kids???????

Adults think that's it's perfectly legal also.

I was chatting with a 30 year old when Napster first hit the web and explained that
the site will illegal. She wasn't hearing that. She had downloaded 1200 songs.

Her web sites are no longer on the net now.
And email bounces.

Hmmmmmmm?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Nembrionic

15 Years ago we - the kids- thought that if you download something of a BBS or got something from a warez CD, it was legal to install it as long as you removed it within 24 hours of installing. Of course, nobody did.

And of course that's a whole lotta BS

So the problem is education on the matter and if kids do something for several years because they were taught to do it's going to be hard to make them believe otherwise.

Start at the school. Teach then what is illegal.

i would even say it starts with the parents - but also the school would be a place nowadays where kids should learn about that. unfortunately most teacher are still clueless about "the internet"

back in the days we were exchanging floppys at school, but for sure we knew it was illegal

later when i had money i bought my stuff

[2MuchMark]

It's not just young people who think like this, but adults too. A friend of mine, Trevor, downloads music and movies all the time and "KNOWS" it is perfectly legal. Why? Because its "on the Internet" and "everything on the Internet is automatically free". He's not pulling my leg - he honestly, truly, thinks that way.

[kane]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Kids???????

Adults think that's it's perfectly legal also.

I was chatting with a 30 year old when Napster first hit the web and explained that
the site will illegal. She wasn't hearing that. She had downloaded 1200 songs.

Her web sites are no longer on the net now.
And email bounces.

Hmmmmmmm?

True there are many adults that feel the same way. I just think that the younger generation is even a little more into it because they are, overall, more tech savvy than their parents and they tend to be the bigger consumers of music (by consume I mean listen to not buy.)

It all makes me start to realize that the future of fighting piracy is not going to be going after those that download it, but going after the sites that supply it. That is a huge job, but if they can win a few major cases they can use that case law and make going after others much easier and those who run the pirate sites will start to shut them down out of fear.

[kane]

Originally Posted by **********

It's not just young people who think like this, but adults too. A friend of mine, Trevor, downloads music and movies all the time and "KNOWS" it is perfectly legal. Why? Because its "on the Internet" and "everything on the Internet is automatically free". He's not pulling my leg - he honestly, truly, thinks that way.

I have a friend that is very religious and he downloads movies like crazy. When I point out that he is doing something illegal he doesn't see it that way. He just says, "I was never going to go see it in the theater anyway." When I try to explain to him that it doesn't matter if he was or was not, the bottom line is he still watched it and now owns it and never paid he doesn't have a problem with it.

[kane]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i would even say it starts with the parents - but also the school would be a place nowadays where kids should learn about that. unfortunately most teacher are still clueless about "the internet"

back in the days we were exchanging floppys at school, but for sure we knew it was illegal

later when i had money i bought my stuff

I think a lot of it is parental as well. A friend of mine has three kids and they tell them outright that if they download music without paying for it unless it a special case where they are giving it away, then they are breaking the law. The kids now share an iTunes account and regularly ask for gift cards for iTunes for birthdays and Christmas etc.

Who knows what they will do when they get older and move out on their own, but at least now they are getting taught that if you want it you pay for it.

[SmutHammer]

I don't let anyone in my household download copywritten stuff, and had to explain to my 11 year old and his brothers why it is wrong. believe it or not they all agree'd with me and no longer download illegal content. I told them if there is something they want tell me and we'll pay for it.

[bronco67]

They think that the entertainment fairy farts out music and movies, for all to download and enjoy for free. There's no concept or understanding of how it gets made, and that the people how make it should get all of the money they want -- deservedly.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I think the problem is that kids don't understand the basics of how a goods/services economy works.

That may be related to the fact that most ADULTS are clueless about how the economy works. According to the 9.9%, we're all evil because we run business that serve our customers. Since we're evil, stealing from us is ok.

[MikeSmoke]

It's been this way for a long time, it's just gotten worse.
A decade ago, I was talking myself hoarse trying to explain to my members and surfers that if they stole and shared everyone's stuff, eventually the producers would go out of business and there'd be no new stuff to share.
Now, half the producers are out of business - and it's amusing (in a sick way) to see the same people whining that there's less new material to share - and even more amusing, whining that people keep sharing material that's already been shared before.

[Deputy Chief Command]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I don't let anyone in my household download copywritten stuff, and had to explain to my 11 year old and his brothers why it is wrong. believe it or not they all agree'd with me and no longer download illegal content. I told them if there is something they want tell me and we'll pay for it.

so in a couple of years when they start to get interested in porn.. you are going to supply them with memberships/ porn dvd's? how does that one going to work out?

[L-Pink]

Nothing some heavy fines and jail time can't fix.

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[KillerK]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I don't let anyone in my household download copywritten stuff, and had to explain to my 11 year old and his brothers why it is wrong. believe it or not they all agree'd with me and no longer download illegal content. I told them if there is something they want tell me and we'll pay for it.

Wow, you are such a good father.

I hope you tell them never to cheat on their taxes too.

[Paul Markham]

I know site owners who download pirated movies.

It's cultural and until it's stopped by a law that's a sledge hammer, it will continue.

I would of just showed the kid Google and how to search for "Piracy court cases". Then he would of got the drift. I suspect he knows, just playing innocent.

[ottopottomouse]

Kids seem to be utterly clueless about businesses needing to make money to survive. Do schools not teach basic economics any more?

[kane]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Kids seem to be utterly clueless about businesses needing to make money to survive. Do schools not teach basic economics any more?

Schools don't seem to teach much of anything these days. They seem to be mostly interested in making sure the kids score well on standardized tests so they can get paid. My nephew has a million problems both school wise and attitude wise, but what fascinated me is that a friend told him it was legal and why and he took it as gospel and won't listen to anyone else. I even showed him court cases where downloaders have gotten sued and he thought that was form something different.

[Barry-xlovecam]

When you pay your ISP for the month they give you everything on the Internet for free -- o'rely, no ...

However, that is how an Internet subscription seems lamely understood. The 'net's perceived anonymity supports this. IP addresses should be registered to their owners and portable to their Internet provider like auto license plates. Then there would be some accountability and more responsible behavior on the Internet.

[MrBottomTooth]

What I don't understand is how so many people manage to get trojans and spyware / adware, etc by downloading mp3s. They must just click on everything that pops up in front of them.

There's one lady I know that needs her PC cleaned once a month.

[kane]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

What I don't understand is how so many people manage to get trojans and spyware / adware, etc by downloading mp3s. They must just click on everything that pops up in front of them.

There's one lady I know that needs her PC cleaned once a month.

This I was working on had a ton of viruses and spyware and no fewer than six different toolbars. The funny thing is that my brother's wife is the same way. For several years she used their regular desktop computer (this one I was working on is a laptop my niece got for Christmas last year) and 2-3 times per year it was so bogged down with spyware and viruses I would have to spend a few hours cleaning it up. I tell them how to avoid them, but they don't listen and are back in the same places again 3-4 months later.

The desktop computer in their house is so full of spyware and viruses it is unusable and would need to basically be reformatted and given a fresh install to fix its problems so now it just sits there and is never used so it looks like the laptop is the new victim.

[Eyeball]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem is that he is a horrible speller so his results must have sucked because his searches read like "Fre Lezbean girl kising."

Poor kid, his google results would have all sent him to DV Times sites.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Eyeball

Poor kid, his google results would have all sent him to DV Times sites.

I was actually laughing as I went through it because he had like 12 different variations of the same search term all spelled differently and all spelled incorrectly. I could just see him sitting there getting more and more pissed off when his searches weren't giving him what he was hoping for.

[ottopottomouse]

Stick a big list of sites in the hosts file, they won't have a clue what you've done.

[Socks]

Teenagers know it's illegal, they just don't give a fuck, because there are no consequences.

We all pick and choose what laws we follow, and kids are no different.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by kane

I was actually laughing as I went through it because he had like 12 different variations of the same search term all spelled differently and all spelled incorrectly. I could just see him sitting there getting more and more pissed off when his searches weren't giving him what he was hoping for.

[candyflip]

I busted my three year old torrenting Disney movies on her Nook.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Kids seem to be utterly clueless about businesses needing to make money to survive. Do schools not teach basic economics any more?

Apparently you have not been paying attention to what most of the "occupy" participants have been saying.

Totally sad, and I have friends that are teaching 18 year olds that are telling me that those kids have NO idea how an economy works and who spend all their time whining about what they "should" have for free.

Crazy and doomed.


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[uno]

Originally Posted by kane

LOL the funny thing was I didn't see any porn tubes, but there was a lot of searches for general stuff like lesbian girls kissing, big tits etc. Of course he had the word free with every search so it was "free lesbian girls kissing" "free big tits." The problem is that he is a horrible speller so his results must have sucked because his searches read like "Fre Lezbean girl kising."

Judging by the sheer number of searches he might be the only person left who spells so badly he can't find free porn. LOL

congratulate his parents. He has better spelling than at least 75% of people I know that age.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Socks

Teenagers know it's illegal, they just don't give a fuck, because there are no consequences.

We all pick and choose what laws we follow, and kids are no different.

Well stated.

.

[uno]

Originally Posted by kane

I have a friend that is very religious and he downloads movies like crazy. When I point out that he is doing something illegal he doesn't see it that way. He just says, "I was never going to go see it in the theater anyway." When I try to explain to him that it doesn't matter if he was or was not, the bottom line is he still watched it and now owns it and never paid he doesn't have a problem with it.

That's probably why Canada's tax on blank media makes sense.

[Jakez]

There needs to be consequences. Kids will always find rules to break until they are stopped. What is stopping everyone from downloading pirated material? Nothing. It's not enforced or at least regulated.

[uno]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I know site owners who download pirated movies.

It's cultural and until it's stopped by a law that's a sledge hammer, it will continue.

I would of just showed the kid Google and how to search for "Piracy court cases". Then he would of got the drift. I suspect he knows, just playing innocent.

It will continue anyway.

[papill0n]

more useless parents teaching their kids nothing while the internet babysits em

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by kane

I told him if he one day gets hit with a massive lawsuit don't come to me looking for help because I told him not to do it.

lol @ people who download music getting hit with a massive lawsuit. That will never happen, so you told him a lie to scare him from downloading. You should have explained him to download at sites where there are no viruses, like almost every music album from torrent sites. I've built up a nice collection and I never got a virus from downloading it.

[Jarmusch]

Originally Posted by Socks

Teenagers know it's illegal, they just don't give a fuck, because there are no consequences.

We all pick and choose what laws we follow, and kids are no different.

Indeed, kids now there will be consequences if they walk out of a store with a laptop under their arm without paying, so they don't do it.

Well, most don't anyways.

[V_RocKs]

I have a daughter in the same boat. She thinks I am an idiot for paying for stuff when it is all free and legal.

The kids computer is filled with viruses and shit. She got her online banking hacked. They changed her info and sent themselves a new debit card, then used it to get gas and various shit at department stores. Serves her right.... But oh wait... The bank gave her the money back so no consequence.... So she learned nothing and thinks this proves she was right.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by nico-t

lol @ people who download music getting hit with a massive lawsuit. That will never happen, so you told him a lie to scare him from downloading. You should have explained him to download at sites where there are no viruses, like almost every music album from torrent sites. I've built up a nice collection and I never got a virus from downloading it.

it has happened...do some research.

[lagwagon]

Originally Posted by Socks

Teenagers know it's illegal, they just don't give a fuck, because there are no consequences.

We all pick and choose what laws we follow, and kids are no different.

100% agree, I grew up thinking no big deal if i cant get punished for it...

[Hentaikid]

Copyright really isn't, or shouldn't be the end user's business at all. If I switch on the TV I assume the TV station paid for the license to show me whatever is on, on the internet it's not the same, but it's not unreasonable for people to assume so. The UPloaders are the ones that need to be stamped on, mainly the big ones who are profiting from it. Some kid who puts an album or movie up just needs a slap on the hand not a damn prison sentence, it's the guy running the file locker or torrent site who needs taking down.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by **********

It's not just young people who think like this, but adults too. A friend of mine, Trevor, downloads music and movies all the time and "KNOWS" it is perfectly legal. Why? Because its "on the Internet" and "everything on the Internet is automatically free". He's not pulling my leg - he honestly, truly, thinks that way.

Is "Trevor" gideongallbladder's' real name ?

Or are you too ashamed to say he is really your best pal ?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by kane

I have a friend that is very religious and he downloads movies like crazy. When I point out that he is doing something illegal he doesn't see it that way. He just says, "I was never going to go see it in the theater anyway." When I try to explain to him that it doesn't matter if he was or was not, the bottom line is he still watched it and now owns it and never paid he doesn't have a problem with it.

That's one of the worst arguments freetards use. "I wasn't going to see it anyway."

But you did see it, and bypassed the system in place for the creator to get paid.

By that logic, I could go to Gap and walk out the store with a shirt. When the cops stop me, I can just say "I was never going to buy it anyway."

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by kane

I tried to explain the reality of how copyright works,

so the guy who claimed that a copyright holder control supercedes the constitution explained copyright to someone.