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  • Argos88
    So Fucking Banned
    • Sep 2009
    • 1732
    #1

    GREEK WEBMASTERS: Is the situation in GREECE really that bad?

    Or it's inflated by the media to create more panic worldwide?

    The only adult webmaster I remember from Greece was the creator of AdvancedSubmitter.com that I used years ago to submit to TGPs-MGPs.. Haven't seen him in the business or ICQ for long time.

    So, anyone from Greece here?

    Is the situation there really that bad?

    And are your adult gains enough to cover the expenses there?
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    • Redrob
      Confirmed User
      • Oct 2004
      • 4791
      #2
      The real problem in Greece is that many work for the government and produce nothing. Just a giant social welfare state with nothing left to tax.
      It is crashing under it's own weight as the people are getting pissed over losing their government jobs.

      Just my observation.

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        • 12clicks
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          • Jan 2001
          • 19813
          #3
          its America 10 years from now
          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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            • xanadu
              bot
              • Sep 2006
              • 997
              #4
              well thats really a topic that we can spend days talking about...

              Things are bad and will go worse, will try to write something serious when i find some time but its endless and really difficult to understand if u are not greek or from countries with similar history and social structure (s.america etc)

              As for webmasters I dont think there are more than 5-10 working in this industry and actually living in greece. Far more greek americans or in canada.
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                • Argos88
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 1732
                  #5
                  Interesting...

                  Well yes.. if there are no GREEK webmasters in this forum, then if you have an opinion or know Greece situation pretty good, let us know what you think.

                  Besides USA and CANADA, for one reason or another I really don't know, there are lots of GREEK people in Australia. Or at least lots of lastnames of GREEK origin in Australia... I guess they had some kind of massive greek inmigration sometimes in the last 100 years.

                  Can think of many famous Australians with Greek lastnames.
                  Last edited by Argos88; 09-27-2011, 07:42 AM.

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                    • porno jew
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                      • Nov 2006
                      • 10166
                      #6
                      would only trust what an actual greek says on the matter. when i read what the US and foreign media writes about my country it is so wrong to be almost laughable, like the onion or something.

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                            • roly
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                              • Aug 2002
                              • 1844
                              #8
                              From what i've read 30% of greek GDP is the black market and hence no tax is paid. if the tax that was due was collected, their problems would be sorted.

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                                • amateurbfs
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                                  • Jun 2010
                                  • 1316
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by roly
                                  From what i've read 30% of greek GDP is the black market and hence no tax is paid. if the tax that was due was collected, their problems would be sorted.
                                  That could be said about probably any country in the world.

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                                    • u-Bob
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                                      • Jul 2005
                                      • 33063
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Redrob
                                      The real problem in Greece is that many work for the government and produce nothing.
                                      good point.

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                                        • pornmasta
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                                          • Jun 2006
                                          • 20015
                                          #11
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                                            • xanadu
                                              bot
                                              • Sep 2006
                                              • 997
                                              #12
                                              well I am a greek webmaster lol, I also know DJ Roof that posts a lot here and few more.

                                              There are some basic facts:

                                              -Greek political scene is heavily corrupted.
                                              -Big part of the population as well, by taking part and supporting the existing system the last 200 years. Some more than others of course. I would say there is a 20% that is innocent by choice and another 20% due to not being smart enough(..)
                                              -Foreign states are heavily involved due to the geographical location. After the "greek revolution"(1821-1830) that created the modern greek state, the first political parties were called "the English party", the "French" and the "Russian". Nothing has changed since then, apart that the US was added to the puzzle.
                                              -Greece skipped the industrial revolution and moved directly to an economy of Services(Tourism, smuggling,human trafficking) with very distorted roots.
                                              -Most healthy and energetic parts of the population migrate abroad the last 100 years.
                                              -Loans and funds have been used in a completely twisted way.
                                              -Greek culture is extremely violent in a social way.
                                              -Half of the population moved to Athens the last 35 years from villages and small cities.
                                              -Situation now is not sustainable.

                                              Personally I expect chaos to rise soon and will affect all Europe but not for long(region is too critical to be left uncontrolled, unless the plan is to create a war...)

                                              more to come...
                                              Last edited by xanadu; 09-27-2011, 08:17 AM.
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                                                • u-Bob
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                                                  • Jul 2005
                                                  • 33063
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by roly
                                                  From what i've read 30% of greek GDP is the black market and hence no tax is paid. if the tax that was due was collected, their problems would be sorted.
                                                  The Greek debt is +- 170% of their GDP, so even if they taxed everyone at a 100% tax rate they still wouldn't be able to pay of their debt.

                                                  The problem isn't that people haven't been paying taxes. The problem is that the government has been constantly taking out new loans to pay for its own operation and to pay off older loans. The result is that the Greek government is now so deep in debt that they will never be able to pay off that debt and that it has become impossible to hide this fact and that no one is willing to give Greece any new loans because by now everyone can see that lending money to Greece means that you'll never see your money again.

                                                  Statists have been calling this a "market failure". They're screaming that "the market has clearly failed because the market no longer wants to lend money to Greece". Well, the market hasn't failed, the market is giving correct information. If no one is willing to lend money to Greece, that is the market's way of telling Greece "We know you would never be able to repay us if we gave you a loan".

                                                  It has been clear for a long time that this would happen and still a lot of banks gave out new loans to Greece. These banks are now in big trouble. And that is why the top EU leaders have been taxing the inhabitants of the other EU countries. They are raising new taxes (officially called 'a solidarity fund') so they can give money to Greece, so Greece can pay the (mostly French and UK) banks.
                                                  Last edited by u-Bob; 09-27-2011, 08:14 AM.

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                                                    • boneprone
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                                                      #14
                                                      The major problem I see with Greece is with its women.
                                                      In their younger years they are the most exotic and beautiful women on the planet. When they get older bam. They literally turn into balloons!

                                                      This is the main situation in Greece that is bad and should be discussed.

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                                                        • xanadu
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                                                          • Sep 2006
                                                          • 997
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by boneprone
                                                          The major problem I see with Greece is with its women.
                                                          In their younger years they are the most exotic and beautiful women on the planet. When they get older bam. They literally turn into a balloons!

                                                          This is the main situation in Greece that is bad and should be discussed.
                                                          spot on

                                                          We suffer more from the women than from the politicians or the debt,thats the sad truth
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                                                            • xanadu
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                                                              • Sep 2006
                                                              • 997
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by roly
                                                              From what i've read 30% of greek GDP is the black market and hence no tax is paid. if the tax that was due was collected, their problems would be sorted.
                                                              The whole problematic in Greece has little to do with tax evasion. Thats more a psychological media trick used internally and in the west...

                                                              Greece has serious structural issues and its in many ways an artificial state. Will be supported from US and EU as much is needed due to its geopolitical location. We can analyse numbers and loans for days but the real game is very different.
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                                                                • bufferover
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                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                  • 25209
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Too bad for them We have a similar problem the administration is so big

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                                                                    • grumpy
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                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                      • 9870
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                      its America 10 years from now
                                                                      America is already there, they just keep printing money, max 3 years.
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                                                                        • Rochard
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                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                          • 75733
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by xanadu
                                                                          -Greece skipped the industrial revolution and moved directly to an economy of Services(Tourism, smuggling,human trafficking) with very distorted roots.
                                                                          That's an interesting statement really.... I don't follow too much history, but I can just imagine the problems missing the entire industrial revolution can cause...
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                                                                            • TheDoc
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                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                              • 13827
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Greece is only as bad as the media is making them look.... debt/income/spending ,etc ratio wise, MANY Euro Countries and even America are FAR worse off.

                                                                              They've gone through massive deregulation, selling off public assets to corps, large increases in the cost of living with very little increase in wages, they have cut the taxes for the super wealthy in various ways and increased taxes that hit the poorest the hardest and they plan on doing more....

                                                                              All of which and more, help create the problem they're facing today - and is basically the same message the Republicans and Tea Party folks have in store for America.
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                                                                                • d-null
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                                                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                                                  • 13724
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by xanadu
                                                                                  -Greek culture is extremely violent in a social way....
                                                                                  does this mean that fights are common in night clubs? or do you mean in every day life situations? or are you referring to the ease that violent riots could break out?

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                                                                                    • pornguy
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                                                                                      • Mar 2003
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                      Greece is only as bad as the media is making them look.... debt/income/spending ,etc ratio wise, MANY Euro Countries and even America are FAR worse off.

                                                                                      They've gone through massive deregulation, selling off public assets to corps, large increases in the cost of living with very little increase in wages, they have cut the taxes for the super wealthy in various ways and increased taxes that hit the poorest the hardest and they plan on doing more....

                                                                                      All of which and more, help create the problem they're facing today - and is basically the same message the Republicans and Tea Party folks have in store for America.
                                                                                      ONe of the major differences is that the Other EU nations and the US can make money from other things. Selling Grains Products produced and tech that can be sold. Greece really does not have that.

                                                                                      And like Xanadu mentioned, the greed/corruption is out of hand. He mentioned its similar to the South American countries..
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                                                                                            • SIK
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                                                                                              • Dec 2006
                                                                                              • 1497
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by xanadu
                                                                                              There are some basic facts:

                                                                                              -Greek political scene is heavily corrupted.
                                                                                              -Big part of the population as well, by taking part and supporting the existing system the last 200 years. Some more than others of course. I would say there is a 20% that is innocent by choice and another 20% due to not being smart enough(..)
                                                                                              -Foreign states are heavily involved due to the geographical location. After the "greek revolution"(1821-1830) that created the modern greek state, the first political parties were called "the English party", the "French" and the "Russian". Nothing has changed since then, apart that the US was added to the puzzle.
                                                                                              -Greece skipped the industrial revolution and moved directly to an economy of Services(Tourism, smuggling,human trafficking) with very distorted roots.
                                                                                              -Most healthy and energetic parts of the population migrate abroad the last 100 years.
                                                                                              -Loans and funds have been used in a completely twisted way.
                                                                                              -Greek culture is extremely violent in a social way.
                                                                                              -Half of the population moved to Athens the last 35 years from villages and small cities.
                                                                                              -Situation now is not sustainable.
                                                                                              with just some minor names and number changes, I'd add the same list goes for:
                                                                                              - Croatia
                                                                                              - Serbia
                                                                                              - Bosnia
                                                                                              - Bulgaria
                                                                                              ---- I'd add more, but these I know for sure
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                                                                                                • TheDoc
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                                  ONe of the major differences is that the Other EU nations and the US can make money from other things. Selling Grains Products produced and tech that can be sold. Greece really does not have that.

                                                                                                  And like Xanadu mentioned, the greed/corruption is out of hand. He mentioned its similar to the South American countries..
                                                                                                  They are roughly the 15th largest economy in Europe, they have grown almost every year for 30 years, it's only over the last 5 years or so that they leveled off, then the problems started.
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                                                                                                    • redwhiteandblue
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                                                                                                      • Jun 2007
                                                                                                      • 2793
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Greece's problem is surely that every time they finish a meal, they smash all the plates. If they would stop smashing all their plates up they would be able to save enough money on plates to get out of debt.
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                                                                                                        • roly
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                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                          • 1844
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by u-Bob
                                                                                                          The Greek debt is +- 170% of their GDP, so even if they taxed everyone at a 100% tax rate they still wouldn't be able to pay of their debt.
                                                                                                          no one pays off a debt in one payment, the defecit is what the major problem is and that stands at about 10% of GDP. So if say a tax rate of 35% was paid on that missing 30% of GDP, the defecit is no more.

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                                                                                                            • V_RocKs
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                                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                                              • 32447
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by boneprone
                                                                                                              The major problem I see with Greece is with its women.
                                                                                                              In their younger years they are the most exotic and beautiful women on the planet. When they get older bam. They literally turn into balloons!

                                                                                                              This is the main situation in Greece that is bad and should be discussed.
                                                                                                              Quoted for truth

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                                                                                                                • SZNY
                                                                                                                  SZNY
                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                  • 2800
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  So sad I love Greece been there many times and love the culture.
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                                                                                                                    • _Richard_
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                                                                                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                      • 30991
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      is goldman sachs still selling them under the table loans?

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                                                                                                                        • Lucy - CSC
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                                                                                                                          • Aug 2011
                                                                                                                          • 490
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Redrob
                                                                                                                          The real problem in Greece is that many work for the government and produce nothing. Just a giant social welfare state with nothing left to tax.
                                                                                                                          It is crashing under it's own weight as the people are getting pissed over losing their government jobs.

                                                                                                                          Just my observation.

                                                                                                                          They dont do nothing. They work for the state owned companies which are there to secure jobs in the country so they dont go abroad. Not that the companies are going to be sold off and owned by the same people who are responsible for the problem they will run for profit so the jobs, manufacturing etc will be sent abroad.
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                                                                                                                            • u-Bob
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                                                                                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                              • 33063
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Lucy - CSC
                                                                                                                              They work for the state owned companies
                                                                                                                              state owned companies = companies that have no incentive to keep their customers happy because they get paid anyway (with tax dollars/euros).

                                                                                                                              One of my neighbors is a 70+ year old guy who used to work for a state owned company for over 20 years. During summer he comes by every now and then to drop off some vegetables from his garden. One story he has told me many times is how, after he had gotten a job in a state owned company after having worked in a privately owned company, his new boss complained to him about how he was doing his job. His boss in the state owned company complained that he was finishing his tasks too quickly. He complained that he was working too hard. My neighbor still laughs every time when he tells this story... "it took some getting used to, but eventually I managed to work as slowly as my coworkers"

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                                                                                                                                • Alex69
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                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                  • 328
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  seriously guys in greece, burn the parlament down, fuck it burn everything down - crash the euro - i am being paied in usd, living in europe and praying for eur to crash 24/7

                                                                                                                                  what are you waiting for? get your fat ass up and do some shit!

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                                                                                                                                    • Brujah
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                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 22157
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by u-Bob
                                                                                                                                      state owned companies = companies that have no incentive to keep their customers happy because they get paid anyway (with tax dollars/euros).

                                                                                                                                      One of my neighbors is a 70+ year old guy who used to work for a state owned company for over 20 years. During summer he comes by every now and then to drop off some vegetables from his garden. One story he has told me many times is how, after he had gotten a job in a state owned company after having worked in a privately owned company, his new boss complained to him about how he was doing his job. His boss in the state owned company complained that he was finishing his tasks too quickly. He complained that he was working too hard. My neighbor still laughs every time when he tells this story... "it took some getting used to, but eventually I managed to work as slowly as my coworkers"
                                                                                                                                      Sounds like my years in the U.S. Military.

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                                                                                                                                        • BIGTYMER
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                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 17066
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Just let it fail. Opa!

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                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                              • 18478
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by boneprone
                                                                                                                                              The major problem I see with Greece is with its women.
                                                                                                                                              In their younger years they are the most exotic and beautiful women on the planet. When they get older bam. They literally turn into balloons!

                                                                                                                                              This is the main situation in Greece that is bad and should be discussed.
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                                                                                                                                                • EddyTheDog
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2011
                                                                                                                                                  • 25433
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  The same shit is happening in Spain - I would like it to be corruption, it would mean at least the money was around locally, but to be honest they couldn't get it together to be corrupt.

                                                                                                                                                  I have been here for nearly 2 years and have filled in more forms than you can imagine and I still have not got the number I need to pay taxes!

                                                                                                                                                  My step father is in a similar situation and he sent them money from the sale of a house because he is an honest person - They sent it back!

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