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09-24-2011, 05:43 AM

A few years back you could find many webmasters talking about the death of blogs and how tubes were taking over

Tubes are huge, but this year I have seen far more threads/posts about blogs than tubes, and many tube threads are about WP versions of tubes and tgps;)

Many talk about how much better tubes are doing in search but...i've seen alot of blogs trumping tubes on google or at the very least keeping pace.

To the point- I think its a matter that WP has taken a major leap in media delivery and their upgrades have been amazing and the platform is simply far more adjustable than tube platforms imo.
Alot of people think it's the best CMS and I agree...

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09-24-2011, 05:57 AM

WP blogs are well established with SEO. The tube packages we have used are a bit choppy in its implementation comparatively (can't speak for all)

Perhaps the hidden factor, maybe in the adult industry, is good prefers blog listings over a tube site for the potential legalities involved? A sort of way of policing or minimizing the internet, its possible if your into conspiracies lol.

Given that WP is used by tens of millions of people in every single country - I think this collaberative effort renders a better package, favorability and just more resources online on how to get the best SEO you can for free.

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09-24-2011, 06:02 AM

Yes, obviously when you use Wordpress, you magically become a better, more relevant result for a given phrase.

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09-24-2011, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by amateurcanada

Perhaps the hidden factor, maybe in the adult industry, is good prefers blog listings over a tube site for the potential legalities involved? A sort of way of policing or minimizing the internet, its possible if your into conspiracies lol.

Given that WP is used by tens of millions of people in every single country - I think this collaberative effort renders a better package, favorability and just more resources online on how to get the best SEO you can for free.

agreed there is the legal issue and i think the text vs. video issue in very interesting.

what turns a potential member on with porn? reading about it, visuals or a good combination of both?

with many tubes i see the same recycled videos with little to no text but if a blog has the right combo of scintillating text and image/video i find it more interesting personally.

then there are text triggers which can usher in a sale where a pic or video might not be enough.

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09-24-2011, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by Caligari

I have seen far more threads/posts about blogs than tubes

Sign of the times: tubes typically cost more (scripts / bandwidth) and profit less (small tubes may find ad dollars scarce, etc.) than WP-based blogs, which are basically free to setup and run.

If you have no money, the WP route is best. Thus, lots of "how can I...?" posts
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09-24-2011, 08:18 AM

blogs are way better than tubes and are more alive than ever.

tube conversion -> 1:10,000

blog conversion -> 1:500
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09-24-2011, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Stephen

Sign of the times: tubes typically cost more (scripts / bandwidth) and profit less (small tubes may find ad dollars scarce, etc.) than WP-based blogs, which are basically free to setup and run.

If you have no money, the WP route is best. Thus, lots of "how can I...?" posts

aye but now many people are running wp tube sites, so easy to set up and you just control the amount of updates. still you are going to be tapping more system resources than a typical blog though.

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09-24-2011, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by TheSquealer

Yes, obviously when you use Wordpress, you magically become a better, more relevant result for a given phrase.

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09-24-2011, 09:30 AM

every major adult keyword is 95% dominated by tubes.

your theory needs to go back to the drawing board.
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09-24-2011, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by porno jew

every major adult keyword is 95% dominated by tubes.

your theory needs to go back to the drawing board.

Google.com the term Femdom

What's that?
1- site
2- tube
3- wiki
4- site
5- tgp

a total of 3 tubes on top ten results.

this does not equal 95% domination for a major search term.
perhaps you should learn how to count;)

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now beyond that, you can keep your "major keywords" cuz that shit is tired.

and if you are relying on terms like "sex" and "porn" keep working those please.

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09-24-2011, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Caligari

Google.com the term Femdom

What's that?
1- site
2- tube
3- wiki
4- site
5- tgp

a total of 3 tubes on top ten results.

this does not equal 95% domination for a major search term.
perhaps you should learn how to count;)

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now beyond that, you can keep your "major keywords" cuz that shit is tired.

and if you are relying on terms like "sex" and "porn" keep working those please.

Your question is "are blogs "trumping" tubes".

The answer is an obvious no.

What popular tubes are targeting "femdom"? Why are you using that as an example when blogs aren't beating tubes for that term? Practically all major search terms go to tubes/tgps/old sites or spam pages. As was noted, almost all traffic phrases go to tubes and that should be the obvious answer to your question.

There is nothing magic about a "blog" or "wordpress". If you want to rank for traffic phrase, you have to work for it. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what platform you use to rank a page.

What's your next analysis going to be? Search "teen sex" and claim popular news sites are outranking adult wordpress blogs?

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09-24-2011, 11:28 AM

look at porn, free porn, xxx, porno, porn tube, sex videos, free porn videos and naked girls. the top adult search terms.

i left out the names of the porn tubes like "pornhub" and "xnxx" which are just as big as those terms above now.

Originally posted by Caligari

Google.com the term Femdom

What's that?
1- site
2- tube
3- wiki
4- site
5- tgp

a total of 3 tubes on top ten results.

this does not equal 95% domination for a major search term.
perhaps you should learn how to count;)

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now beyond that, you can keep your "major keywords" cuz that shit is tired.

and if you are relying on terms like "sex" and "porn" keep working those please.
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09-24-2011, 11:31 AM

blogs sure may trump some low to mid sized adult keywords because the competition is weaker, not because blogs are somehow able top rank better. stupid thread.
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09-24-2011, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by porno jew

look at porn, free porn, xxx, porno, porn tube, sex videos, free porn videos and naked girls. the top adult search terms.

i left out the names of the porn tubes like "pornhub" and "xnxx" which are just as big as those terms above now.

Yes, and for those big search terms, tubes dominate, followed close by torrent sites and file sharing...
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09-24-2011, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by 19teenporn

Yes, and for those big search terms, tubes dominate, followed close by torrent sites and file sharing...

not really. torrents and file lockers kill it for paysite and performers names but i doubt you would find on on the first ten pages of "free porn."
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09-24-2011, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by TheSquealer

Your question is "are blogs "trumping" tubes".

The answer is an obvious no.

What popular tubes are targeting "femdom"?
Why are you using that as an example when blogs aren't beating tubes for that term?

Eh...because its a major adult search term and he made that erroneous statement that 95% of major adult search terms are dominated by tubes.
Nothing to do with blogs ranking on the term, do you understand that? at least?

Originally posted by TheSquealer

There is nothing magic about a "blog" or "wordpress". If you want to rank for traffic phrase, you have to work for it. It's that simple. It doesn't matter what platform you use to rank a page.

Once again you should learn how to read. I never said blogs/wp were "magic," but they are still thriving and quite valid as opposed to the geniuses who said they were dying out a few years ago

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09-24-2011, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by 19teenporn

Yes, and for those big search terms, tubes dominate, followed close by torrent sites and file sharing...

Bingo. Most of these illegal bullshit tubes, torrents and file sharing sites will be gone from google. sooner than later

And as i said before those terms are so generic their actual value now in terms of ROI for the tubes is pretty weak.

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09-24-2011, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Caligari

Bingo. Most of these illegal bullshit tubes, torrents and file sharing sites will be gone from google. sooner than later

And as i said before those terms are so generic their actual value now in terms of ROI for the tubes is pretty weak.

yah people spend small fortunes working 24/7 trying to rank for the big adult terms because there is no return. sure thing dude.
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09-24-2011, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by porno jew

yah people spend small fortunes working 24/7 trying to rank for the big adult terms because there is no return. sure thing dude.

thanks, you just said it yourself. "spend small fortunes...trying to rank"

i personally do not like razor thin ROI so no thanks.

but i encourage people to keep spending small fortunes ranking for those oh so valued major keywords...

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09-24-2011, 11:54 AM

I have had very good search traffic from blogs whith hardly any promotion and no SEO work done on them. I have hundreds of outgoing links and not many incomming links. I think the key is unique text content (your own stuff) It keeps users on the site as they read which stops bounce rate

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09-24-2011, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Caligari

thanks, you just said it yourself. "spend small fortunes...trying to rank"

i personally do not like razor thin ROI so no thanks.

but i encourage people to keep spending small fortunes ranking for those oh so valued major keywords...

just because you can't achieve something does not make it invalid. that's loser thinking.
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09-24-2011, 12:02 PM

Shit! Free porn search term, first 20 are all tube. Didn't go to third page
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09-24-2011, 12:16 PM

I don't include the word "free" in my blogs because I don't want to attract visitors who won't be willing to purchase memberships...so tubes ranking for free are irrelevant to my blogging strategy.
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09-24-2011, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Caligari

Eh...because its a major adult search term and he made that erroneous statement that 95% of major adult search terms are dominated by tubes.
Nothing to do with blogs ranking on the term, do you understand that? at least?

Erroneous why? Because you believe a sample of 5 results our of millions for a single phrase out of millions is somehow giving you statistically relevant data to gauge an entire segment of the internet? Maybe you need to revisit 6th grade math. Do you understand that? At least?

Once again you should learn how to read. I never said blogs/wp were "magic," but they are still thriving and quite valid as opposed to the geniuses who said they were dying out a few years ago

A site is a site. A page is a page. A phrase is a phrase and Google is still Google. "blog" has nothing to do with anything. You still have yet to demonstrate "blogs are taking over tubes" or "making a comeback".

They did die. They were everywhere, now they are relatively few. After the Big Daddy update, you couldn't just generate 50 billion pages, create unlimited PR and pass it around without building links to all those sub pages to get them counted. Wordpress is a good cms and you are confusing "blog" with "website" and "webpage" and making an imaginary distinction and supposed benefits that do not exist in Google's eyes. Just because a site happens to be a "blog" doesn't mean its relevant to search engines that its a blog. Blogs are not unique or special in SEO other than Wordpress provides a great platform for varies methods of automated search spam.

Further, its quite obvious they are not taking over tube sites, that very idea assumes everyone suddenly decided they want to read about porn and not watch it.

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09-24-2011, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by anexsia

I don't include the word "free" in my blogs because I don't want to attract visitors who won't be willing to purchase memberships...so tubes ranking for free are irrelevant to my blogging strategy.

imho thats not good., even major players are saying free porn , ree access and banging cards ...

if your blog is good/attractive then use word free, so people will come to your blog., few will go away coz of no free, few read blogs and become horny and they buy membership., even though they came by using word "free"
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09-24-2011, 12:26 PM

nope., but you can rank whatever you want.,
u cant buy a SERP, you have to earn it.
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09-24-2011, 12:40 PM

back to the original question, yes blogs are dying. research and studies - on the mainstream side anyway - shows blog creation and readership on a decline, trumped by social media. blog creation among younger people is near non-existent.

though blog/social media hybrids like tumblr are strong and growing.
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09-24-2011, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by anexsia

I don't include the word "free" in my blogs because I don't want to attract visitors who won't be willing to purchase memberships...so tubes ranking for free are irrelevant to my blogging strategy.

Ok then. Search for porn and the results are the fucking same...
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09-24-2011, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by porno jew

back to the original question, yes blogs are dying. research and studies - on the mainstream side anyway - shows blog creation and readership on a decline, trumped by social media. blog creation among younger people is near non-existent.

though blog/social media hybrids like tumblr are strong and growing.

you really don't know how blogs work do you

or your idea of a blog is limited to blogger;)

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09-24-2011, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Caligari

you really don't know how blogs work do you

or your idea of a blog is limited to blogger;)

oh man...

educate me genius. sorry i assumed you were using the dictionary definition of blogs when you referred to "blogs." sorry.

i'm not a mind reader.
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09-24-2011, 01:23 PM

if you have another definition than what is commonly accepted to be for blog, let me know. can't have a discussion over a topic were are defining differently.
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09-24-2011, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by 19teenporn

Ok then. Search for porn and the results are the fucking same...

Ok than, how bout going towards long-tail keywords? The results are NOT the same. Not everything has to have the word "porn" in it. I get almost all of my traffic from SE and it works well.
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09-24-2011, 01:30 PM

I think he is on about the tube blogs with emeded movies which are starting to popup everywhere. You can also make them very social using plugins like mingle.

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09-24-2011, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by halfpint

I think he is on about the tube blogs with emeded movies which are starting to popup everywhere. You can also make them very social using plugins like mingle.

well my point is blogs aren't taking over and making a come back. can't dispute there are near zero blogs in the results for the major porn keywords and blog creation and usage is declining in general. those are facts.

you just can't change your definition of "blog" because you don't like those facts.

if a what you call a blog is something else, give it a new name and discuss using that.
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09-24-2011, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by anexsia

Ok than, how bout going towards long-tail keywords? The results are NOT the same. Not everything has to have the word "porn" in it. I get almost all of my traffic from SE and it works well.

well sure, but in those long tail results are tons of news stories, twitters, youtubes, forum postings, torrents, file lockers, amazon listings and spam and doorway pages. why should we not claim any of those are "taking over" and "making a comeback?"
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09-24-2011, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by porno jew

well my point is blogs aren't taking over and making a come back. can't dispute there are near zero blogs in the results for the major porn keywords and blog creation and usage is declining in general. those are facts.

you just can't change your definition of "blog" because you don't like those facts.

if a what you call a blog is something else, give it a new name and discuss using that.

No i dont think they will ever catch up to tubes becuase of the shear popularity with them. But i have had a tube wp site online for a few years now and not done much to it apart from video embeds with long text storys and the traffic has kinda come from nowhere and it keeps rising I have tons more outgoing links on it than incomming so maybe it has something to do with the google panda and bounce rate, becuase i am finding that the users stay on a wp tube blog far longer than a "normal blog"

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09-24-2011, 01:46 PM

The other wp tube blog I have just started I am making a lot more social to give users the option of interaction with other users. You can in effect almost run them like tubes with social functions

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09-24-2011, 01:49 PM

well of course they will stay on video site longer, right? takes longer to watch videos than to read a blog post. and yeah i think part of the panda ranking factors is video. forgotten sites that had video on them suddenly started to rank this year.

Originally posted by halfpint

No i dont think they will ever catch up to tubes becuase of the shear popularity with them. But i have had a tube wp site online for a few years now and not done much to it apart from video embeds with long text storys and the traffic has kinda come from nowhere and it keeps rising I have tons more outgoing links on it than incomming so maybe it has something to do with the google panda and bounce rate, becuase i am finding that the users stay on a wp tube blog far longer than a "normal blog"
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09-24-2011, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by porno jew

well of course they will stay on video site longer, right? takes longer to watch videos than to read a blog post. and yeah i think part of the panda ranking factors is video. forgotten sites that had video on them suddenly started to rank this year.

yeah lol

One thing I do find is that most tube sites only give a small description for the videos where as on a wp tube the descriptions are more like mini storys so whether that will have any effect on out ranking the tube sites I have no idea.

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09-24-2011, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by porno jew

educate me genius. sorry i assumed you were using the dictionary definition of blogs when you referred to "blogs." sorry.

i'm not a mind reader.

okay then, listen up.

any good blog is a social hybrid.

you do not need tumblr which is merely a company with a blogging platform to achieve this. webmasters have been making bank with social hybrid blogs for years, because that simply is what any good blog is, it enables you to reach a wide variety of other media.

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09-24-2011, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by porno jew

well sure, but in those long tail results are tons of news stories, twitters, youtubes, forum postings, torrents, file lockers, amazon listings and spam and doorway pages. why should we not claim any of those are "taking over" and "making a comeback?"

and I agree with this, I was replying towards the OP with my last comment. As a whole, I don't believe either "trumps" the other. You can make good money with a blog, tube, tgp, etc...there's so many variables that come into play. I believe they all have their good uses.
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09-24-2011, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by halfpint

I think he is on about the tube blogs with emeded movies which are starting to popup everywhere. You can also make them very social using plugins like mingle.

the problem is that he is thinking in terms of a blog and nothing else.
he does not realize how expansive CMS models have become, which now encompass tube sites, tgps and just about anything else.

this is why "blogs" are trumping tubes. tubes are just tubes, but blogs have rapidly advanced into a multitude of media delivery platforms.

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09-24-2011, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Caligari

okay then, listen up.

any good blog is a social hybrid.

you do not need tumblr which is merely a company with a blogging platform to achieve this. webmasters have been making bank with social hybrid blogs for years, because that simply is what any good blog is, it enables you to reach a wide variety of other media.

ok? so where is the proof these "social hybrid" blogs are making a comeback?
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09-24-2011, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Caligari

the problem is that he is thinking in terms of a blog and nothing else.
he does not realize how expansive CMS models have become, which now encompass tube sites, tgps and just about anything else.

this is why "blogs" are trumping tubes. tubes are just tubes, but blogs have rapidly advanced into a multitude of media delivery platforms.

your terminology is confused. because wordpress is used to make a blog, a paysite or tube, does not mean that tubes and paysites are blogs.

you are stating all things made with a cms are a blog, but that is not true.
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09-24-2011, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by porno jew

ok? so where is the proof these "social hybrid" blogs are making a comeback?

you just said this right?

Originally posted by porno jew

though blog/social media hybrids like tumblr are strong and growing.

there is your answer. tumblr is one of many. webmasters build huge networks of hybrids which are making a killing and are growing.

the key here is growth and the ability to grow, and blogging platforms are allowing this.

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09-24-2011, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Caligari

the problem is that he is thinking in terms of a blog and nothing else.
he does not realize how expansive CMS models have become, which now encompass tube sites, tgps and just about anything else.

this is why "blogs" are trumping tubes. tubes are just tubes, but blogs have rapidly advanced into a multitude of media delivery platforms.

While I agree with you about the versatility of blogs ect I dont think they are trumping tubes, and if they ever do it will take one hell of a large wp tube to do it.
Tubes are similar to facebook ect the surfers talk about them amongest themselves at work or everyday convos, they have become the social porn norm so to speak, and they will only evolve in the future, not go away. They have the edge on the surfers and that is going to take a lot to break if its ever done

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09-24-2011, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by porno jew

your terminology is confused. because wordpress is used to make a blog, a paysite or tube, does not mean that tubes and paysites are blogs.

you are stating all things made with a cms are a blog, but that is not true.

think again-
"WordPress is an open source blog tool and publishing platform powered by PHP and MySQL."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPress

wordpress is a blog tool with which you can now make tubes, tgps etc. but it's core is the blog.

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#48

09-24-2011, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by halfpint

While I agree with you about the versatility of blogs ect I dont think they are trumping tubes, and if they ever do it will take one hell of a large wp tube to do it.
Tubes are similar to facebook ect the surfers talk about them amongest themselves at work or everyday convos, they have become the social porn norm so to speak, and they will only evolve in the future, not go away. They have the edge on the surfers and that is going to take a lot to break if its ever done

it remains to be seen, but lets see in one year how many are making tubes from traditional tube programs and how many are using wp...i think the wp tube platform will leave all others in the dust.

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#49

09-24-2011, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Caligari

it remains to be seen, but lets see in one year how many are making tubes from traditional tube programs and how many are using wp...i think the wp tube platform will leave all others in the dust.

I know from my own expereince running wp tube sites that they do attract a lot more surfers than normal blogs. And they do seem to get traffic from nowhere with little promotion and no seo. But compared to the traffic the tubes get mine is miniscule. Mine is now up to around 20k a month I think the higest month now has risen to 24k and this is without really doing much to it. I even stoped posting to it for about 4 months lol. Maybe its the niche maybe its the hand written posts or maybe its just the embeded videos I really dont know. I am finding the exact same thing with the newer wp blog i have just started ..traffic just comes to it lol. If I had done more to the older tube blog I most prob could be getting double the traffic now

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#50

09-24-2011, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by TheSquealer

Yes, obviously when you use Wordpress, you magically become a better, more relevant result for a given phrase.

Hell yeah! Wordpress makes you better at SEO instantly! But shh, don't tell the newbies! We don't need more WP blogs spamming the serps!

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