Come On In Obama Haters, and Answer a Simple Question!

[BFT3K]

How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

Discuss....

[papill0n]

does anyone do anything in america other than eat and talk about obama ?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by papill0n

does anyone do anything in america other than eat and talk about obama ?

In my spare time, I'm an avid dwarf tosser.

[Lucy - CSC]

Republican/Democrat = Same Crap. Both bought and paid for by the bankers.

Get rid of the US Federal Reserve Bank and America and the world will be out of debt in a few years and we will all be much better off!

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

In my spare time, I'm an avid dwarf tosser.

dwarfs are people too you know

[Lucy - CSC]

Actually answer me this. What has Obama done differently from Bush?

[FlexxAeon]

where's my seat?

[Joshua G]

no president of either party will accomplish anything while each party contols a chamber of congress.

the so called top tier repubs are bush clones. theres no need to debate what they would do, we've seen that movie.

on the other hand, Ron Paul will legalize pot, the tommy gun, & online poker.

[uno]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

In my spare time, I'm an avid dwarf tosser.

Dwarf tossing is illegal in several places, both domestic and abroad.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by uno

Dwarf tossing is illegal in several places, both domestic and abroad.

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

Discuss....

Why is it that you believe everyone who dislikes Barry is a Republican and/or Conservative?

[DBS.US]

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Get rid of the US Federal Reserve Bank and America and the world will be out of debt in a few years and we will all be much better off!

how so. the fed doesnt create the trade deficit, doesnt pass a prescription drug entitlement with no way to pay for it. Free trade with slave labor nations, keeping the US enslaved to oil, spending money that does not exist. these are the sins of congress.

The Fed is failing by trying to prop up these failed policies with free money. Raising interest rates might force banks to actually lend instead of using zero % money to buy government bonds & make free profits. Why lend when you make money risk free...

[raymor]

"a republican" isn't going to fix much.
For example one of Obama's big errors is over spending by 2 trillion dollars per year. Dubya overspent by a couple hundred billion per year. So "a republican" did the same type of stupid, Obama is just ten times as incompetent by that measure.

In a news conference just a couple of months before running Obama said he had no relevant experience and would be incompetent. Everyone knows Dubya was an example of a republican who was also incompetent.

What we need is competence, someone wth actual relevant experience and knowledge, not "a republican", "a democrat" or "a purple guy".

Powell or Gates have some competence, but aren't running. Of those running, Huntsman or Newt are probably the most competent. Perry is a lot like Clinton when he ran - he had lots of experience running a government as governor, but he's kinda slick or slimy. Very much reminds me of Slick Willy Clinton.

Unfortunately the voters generally vote not on competence or experience, but on the ability to sound good reading a teleprompter, and on race and gender.

Do some of the specific candidates have specific proposals on what they would do to improve things? Sure they do. Some even have a track record of success to prove that their ideas actually work. None are super stars, but you can't do much worse than our last couple of presidents, so other than Palin any of them would probably be an improvement.

For actual plans and proposals, Newt's web site and writings may be the most extensive. It's too bad he never focused on being likeable. By not kissing ass and telling people what they want to hear he probably doomed his chances despite the fact that he's the most knowledgeable candidate.

[BFT3K]

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

on the other hand, Ron Paul will legalize pot, the tommy gun, & online poker.

Ron Paul won't do shit... Presidents don't have the power to pass bills.. They have the power to veto and try and sway the congress and senate.. It's the congress and senate that pass the bills that get things done... or not done which seems to be what typically happens. Why does practically everyone in the US want to live in a dictatorship with the president having the power to actually do things..

[BFT3K]

When push comes to shove, the question will not be answered in any way that makes any sense whatsoever.

For this reason I will make my prediction...



Obama Wins Second Term in 2012!

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

When push comes to shove, the question will not be answered in any way that makes any sense whatsoever.

For this reason I will make my prediction...



Obama Wins Second Term in 2012!

As for your prediction...

[raymor]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

the so called top tier repubs are bush clones. theres no need to debate what they would do, we've seen that movie.


on the other hand, Ron Paul will legalize pot, the tommy gun, & online poker.

Perry was Al Gore's campaign manager.
Bush ran against Gore. So politically, Bush and Perry are near opposites.

Personality wise, Bush would tell you exactly what he thought, no matter how dumb that thought sounded. "Fuck the polls, I'm the decider" was Bush's motto.
Perry will tell you exactly what you want to hear, rarely revealing his actual thoughts.
He's quite good at delivering exactly the message that the polls say will be popular.
So personality wise, Bush and Perry are nearly opposites.

I don't particularly like either of them, but for opposite reasons. To say Perry is a Bush clone is to know neither the man nor his politics. They could hardly be more different.

I think you could reasonably call Perry a Clinton clone who put on a Republican sticker when the polls went that way. Perry, Gore, and Clinton hang out in the same circles and Perry's personality is much more like Clinton.

I wonder if a Perry presidency would go a lot like Clinton, quite well at first due to his political skill at getting things done, but later paralyzed by scandal.

[Gouge]

Whoa...slow down there raymor, you bring to much common sense to the table. People like BFT3K cant even understand what your saying, you better dumb things down a bit for the simple folk.

[FlexxAeon]

lol @ perry = clinton

please. just because their tactics (bush & perry) are different doesn't mean their agendas are

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Gouge

Whoa...slow down there raymor, you bring to much common sense to the table. People like BFT3K cant even understand what your saying, you better dumb things down a bit for the simple folk.

In case you need a reminder, please revisit the original question, as that will be the basis in which the "thinking" voters will be deciding who to vote for in 2012.



How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

In case you need a reminder, please revisit the original question, as that will be the basis in which the "thinking" voters will be deciding who to vote for in 2012.



How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

You can find the answer to your own question by using Google and some key words for each specific Republican candidate.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

Discuss....

The President is a key part, but not the whole thing. The bigger problem is the 200 tax and spend big government Obamas in Congress.

The ship could be turned around fast, but it would take political courage, which is in short supply in Washington, DC.

The top priority is phasing out entitlements, and drastically cutting government taxing, spending, and printing of currency. Cut as many government social programs as possible. Cut taxes and red tape! Stop government takeovers. Bring back certainty into investing.

Stop the class warfare. Rich folk create jobs, but they stay on the sidelines when they feel targeted. The top 2% produce 30% of the consumer spending through their businesses. Close or don't start a business --and there goes jobs and tax revenue.

Replacing Obama and the Obamas in Congress is essential.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Actually answer me this. What has Obama done differently from Bush?

He pushed down the accelerator harder as we neared the cliff.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by raymor

"a republican" isn't going to fix much.
For example one of Obama's big errors is over spending by 2 trillion dollars per year. Dubya overspent by a couple hundred billion per year. So "a republican" did the same type of stupid, Obama is just ten times as incompetent by that measure.

For actual plans and proposals, Newt's web site and writings may be the most extensive. It's too bad he never focused on being likeable. By not kissing ass and telling people what they want to hear he probably doomed his chances despite the fact that he's the most knowledgeable candidate.

Really? I mean...... really? You guys just listen to the tv and take what you hear as facts, eh?

And Newt? The guy that got kicked out the Reagan admin for being a scammer? Obama is a corporatist, no doubt.... but Newt makes Obama look like a baby in that field.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The President is a key part, but not the whole thing. The bigger problem is the 200 tax and spend big government Obamas in Congress.

The ship could be turned around fast, but it would take political courage, which is in short supply in Washington, DC.

The top priority is phasing out entitlements, and drastically cutting government taxing, spending, and printing of currency. Cut as many government social programs as possible. Cut taxes and red tape! Stop government takeovers. Bring back certainty into investing.

Stop the class warfare. Rich folk create jobs, but they stay on the sidelines when they feel targeted. The top 2% produce 30% of the consumer spending through their businesses. Close or don't start a business --and there goes jobs and tax revenue.

Replacing Obama and the Obamas in Congress is essential.

Rich folks do not create jobs... average Americans do, the #1 job force in america is through small business, and they are very far from rich.

Yeah, cutting spending to zilch and ripping out entitlements worked so well for Greece and Spain.

I love how you guys would destroy this country just because of one black man in office.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Actually answer me this. What has Obama done differently from Bush?

He caught and killed bin Laden, pulled most of our troops out of Iraq and refocused the war on terror back back on Afghanistan where it should have never left.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

Discuss....

And how are the democrats fixing things? Oh, wait... they're not.

When will you people realize that it doesn't matter who's in office? Until all the different "sides" of government stop bickering and fighting amongst each other like 5th grade children, nothing is going to get 'fixed'.

Reps, Dems, Socs, TPs, Coms, Caps.. doesn't fucking matter when all any side gives a shit about is making the other sides look bad. Stop playing politics and actually focus on America for once.

But, considering the bulk of the voters are so completely jaded... ain't shit going to change.

And as long as people keep getting distracted by "sides", ain't shit going to change.

And as long as the people keep allowing our government to be run by Wall Street.. yep, ain't shit going to change.

[12clicks]

Newt is the smartest guy in the room (for either party) and I think hid plan includes eliminating (or drastically reducing, I don't remember) the corporate tax.
Eliminating that tax would cure the jobs problem AND the economy.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Newt is the smartest guy in the room (for either party) and I think hid plan includes eliminating (or drastically reducing, I don't remember) the corporate tax.
Eliminating that tax would cure the jobs problem AND the economy.

Corp tax being cut before didn't spark job growth, all of us paying the lowest amounts in history hasn't sparked job growth, the top corps pay far below the line already - easily half of it and often zero.... how and what logic supports the theory that jobs would happen?

How does cutting corp tax create demand for products? The actual reason why corps need/want and do hire...

[Emil]

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Actually answer me this. What has Obama done differently from Bush?

He is gonna tax the rich soon!
Oh wait, they are all getting the Fuck out and moving their Funds over seas

[Minte]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

Discuss....

Showing strength and leadership would go a long way in calming the fears of corporate america. Obama came into this job with absolutely no leadership experience on any level. His claim to fame was a college adviser and a junior senator from one of the most corrupt political dynasty's in the country. He continues to wear the badge of inexperience proudly.

Even that picture of him sitting with the staff during the Bin Laden raid. He sat like a scared little man. If I would've had to follow a person like that into combat, I would've said my prayers and hoped for the best.

And now,when he should be doing something for the economy he decides to play re-election politics.

He will need a miracle to get re-elected. The independents gave him a shot because they didn't like Sarah Palin and felt that McCain had one foot in the grave.

They won't be fooled again.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Republican/Democrat = Same Crap. Both bought and paid for by the bankers.

Get rid of the US Federal Reserve Bank and America and the world will be out of debt in a few years and we will all be much better off!

so you are saying you don't vote then?

What is it you do to contribute to fixing the problem?

[Tom_PM]

They should just get rid of all corporate taxes just to prove that removing a tax burden from a corp doesnt mean they are going to hire anyone. Nor will it prevent them from moving to Mexico or China. It's just a 12 year old worn out talking point.

[BestXXXPorn]

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Minte

Showing strength and leadership would go a long way in calming the fears of corporate america. Obama came into this job with absolutely no leadership experience on any level. His claim to fame was a college adviser and a junior senator from one of the most corrupt political dynasty's in the country. He continues to wear the badge of inexperience proudly.

Even that picture of him sitting with the staff during the Bin Laden raid. He sat like a scared little man. If I would've had to follow a person like that into combat, I would've said my prayers and hoped for the best.

And now,when he should be doing something for the economy he decides to play re-election politics.

He will need a miracle to get re-elected. The independents gave him a shot because they didn't like Sarah Palin and felt that McCain had one foot in the grave.

They won't be fooled again.

You're right... we won't be fooled again!

[Minte]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

You're right... we won't be fooled again!

That's the best you have? Yet another silly picture.
You should go play at the captain-kangaroo.com board.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Minte

That's the best you have? Yet another silly picture.
You should go play at the captain-kangaroo.com board.

So the initial question goes unanswered, as predicted.

We are 12 years into this wonderful Bush Tax Cuts For The Rich bullshit, and look where it's gotten us.

Once all of the dust settles, and the people are faced with Obama vs another douche bag, with the same agenda as the last one, guess who wins?

[u-Bob]

"It should be clear that the name of the political party in power is far less important than the particular regime's financial and banking connections." -- "Wall Street, Banks, and American Foreign Policy" (isbn 9781610161923)

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Corp tax being cut before didn't spark job growth, all of us paying the lowest amounts in history hasn't sparked job growth, the top corps pay far below the line already - easily half of it and often zero.... how and what logic supports the theory that jobs would happen?

How does cutting corp tax create demand for products? The actual reason why corps need/want and do hire...

I was hoping someone of intelligence would ask this but you'll do as a foil.

We live in a global economy. like it or not, those are the facts. Smarter, hungrier countries are luring corporations to them with low or no corporate taxes. With them go jobs. Thinking that we're somehow going to teach GE a lesson and "close their loopholes" is silly. There are too many stable, business friendly countries to set up shop in and we're seeing it happen daily.
The bright side is that there is no better place to do business than in the US and all things being equal, corporations WANT to do business here. So we need to make all things equal.
Eliminate corporate taxes for companies headquartered in the US. Tweak the rules a bit so that the corps MUST bring jobs back with them and our jobs problem would be over. Putting all those people back to work fixes the economy and makes up for the lost revenue. Its a simple easy fix but obama and the left can't do it because they've spent their entire lives explaining to the rabble how evil corporations are.

Minte, what do you think of that?

[ManPuppy]

ooooo, Canadaaaaaa...
Always thought I should retire in Toronto, since I was born in and live in Florida, and they all retire here. More and more reason appears every day...

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

So the initial question goes unanswered, as predicted.

what are you talking about halfwit?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

what are you talking about halfwit?

This post began with a question. A question none of you Obama haters seem capable of answering.

To achieve "halfwit" status, you would have to clone yourself and merge the two quarter wits together.

[Tom_PM]

Again, I hope they lower corporate taxes in the US to zero just to prove to the morons that it's worthless. Next you'll have to regress the country all the way back to the level of China to be competetive. Cots in the factories, forced overtime for no extra pay. $2 a day for 14 hour days, 1 set of real books 1 set for visiting foreign dignitaries. Maybe we'll be competetive in the global economy then. Not before. Get used to it.

[nation-x]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I was hoping someone of intelligence would ask this but you'll do as a foil.

We live in a global economy. like it or not, those are the facts. Smarter, hungrier countries are luring corporations to them with low or no corporate taxes. With them go jobs. Thinking that we're somehow going to teach GE a lesson and "close their loopholes" is silly. There are too many stable, business friendly countries to set up shop in and we're seeing it happen daily.
The bright side is that there is no better place to do business than in the US and all things being equal, corporations WANT to do business here. So we need to make all things equal.
Eliminate corporate taxes for companies headquartered in the US. Tweak the rules a bit so that the corps MUST bring jobs back with them and our jobs problem would be over. Putting all those people back to work fixes the economy and makes up for the lost revenue. Its a simple easy fix but obama and the left can't do it because they've spent their entire lives explaining to the rabble how evil corporations are.

Minte, what do you think of that?

I will support eliminating corporate taxes when they no longer enjoy personhood and the ability to buy elections....

Tweak the rules a bit so that the corps MUST bring jobs back with them

That's a progressive idea... you been drinking Latte?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Again, I hope they lower corporate taxes in the US to zero just to prove to the morons that it's worthless. Next you'll have to regress the country all the way back to the level of China to be competetive. Cots in the factories, forced overtime for no extra pay. $2 a day for 14 hour days, 1 set of real books 1 set for visiting foreign dignitaries. Maybe we'll be competetive in the global economy then. Not before. Get used to it.

tell me, you captain of industry, why won't my plan work?
I'm all for intelligent discussion. Are you capable?

[raymor]

Can things get done when both parties have some say? Let's see ...

Reagan had Democrats running congress. Clinton had Newt Gingrich and the republicans in control of the house. Gingrich passed the "balanced" budget that Clinton fans never stop talking about.
So for those presidents, the need to compromise and work worth the other side was no excuse.

Obama's party controlled the house, the senate, and the presidency for two years and the result was complete fail, so recent history suggests that divided government is the most effective.

Perhaps because you get the strengths of both sides - the liberals insist on changing something to try improve it, trying new things, while the conservatives ensure that they don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and that the numbers add up. Maybe it's kind of like forcing a programer and a graphic artist to work with each other on a site. Left to himself, the programmer would deliver a very plain black and white text site that works. The artist designer would use Photoshop to deliver a picture of a nice looking site. Have them work together and you get an attractive site that actually works.

Come to think of it, that may be a perfect analogy. Democrats are good at inspiring people, like artists do, but they rarely talk numbers, nor the science of economics. On the other hand a republican like Newt isn't the least bit inspiring, but he's a phD who knows some of the science and led the process of actually passing a "balanced" budget.

(The Clinton-Gingrich budget put us $200 billion in debt, but that's "balanced" by Washington math.)

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by nation-x

I will support eliminating corporate taxes when they no longer enjoy personhood and the ability to buy elections....


That's a progressive idea... you been drinking Latte?

well then, enjoy your economy