No one president should continue to make it worse by increasing spending at a record pace in 2 1/2 years. The country would've been better off if Obama had done absolutely nothing but fly around in AF1 and work on his golf game.

The subsidies that Chinese manufacturing have received from their government is unreal. The government carries a big percentage of raw material costs. Energy costs are almost nothing. The government grants startups money to buy specific machinery.
Even today, there are parts we buy from China that are cheaper than the raw material costs here in the US. And that includes shipping.

On the infrastructure side,they look the other way when it comes to employee safety,environmental protection,wages.insurances. There is no way possible to really compete against that. All we can do is wait it out until China becomes a consumer nation.
Or impose serious import tariffs. And based on the history with Japan and Taiwan, that's not going to happen.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6176/...3f470044_m.jpg

this picture says it best about the 'strong leadership' of the last republican administration

quess 'water-boarding' has a different definition in america

he married a black girl

Might be, love or hate what Bush did, the US has not sustained another successful terrorist attack in 10 years. And on the flip side,did a serious amount of damage to both Al Qaeda and the Taliban organizations in the mean time.

And that was what he planned to do.

And here's a follow-up question:

With 12 years of tax giveaways to the richest people and the largest corporations - achieving the lowest tax rate since the 1950s - why haven't any of the so-called "Job Creators" created ANY fucking jobs, and with that said, why should their tax breaks and loopholes get extended for even one more minute?

Before you rewrite too much history, 9/11 happened under the Bush/Cheney administration, remember?

The same people who hate when Obama blames Bush for the mess, didn't seem to mind blaming Clinton for Bin Laden...

they dont need to lower corporate taxes, they need to figure out how to get more money into the hands of the middle class and the poor.. those are the mass consumers and thats what drives the economy, consumption...

look how good the economy was when credit was running free and people were refinancing their houses every two weeks and taking out the equity..

now, we dont need that mess all over again, but the point is that consumption drives our economy and corporations have proven that tax breaks dont increase enough hiring to spur the economy..




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so what other means will justify your nations ends? i notice al qaeda's leader was taken out by the democratic 'scared little boy'. That organization is now operating in iraq, libya (with nato support) and somalia with no real obvious evidence of 'serious damage'

the taliban? we haven't done anything the russians or the british haven't done over the past 100 years

seems to make em stronger

the only real good example i can think of is the indians and agreements there

No He Didnt catch Bin Laden. Bin Laden was caught on his watch.
The troops were to be pull out anyway, and WTF does it matter where the troops are?

Remember it was the War on Terror that used all this Money, you bitch about.

So are you for the War on terror? Spending money on the war(s)?

Oh wait Bush started it, so I have to KEEP DOING IT...

part 1. because the employee pool is entirely to stupid.

part 2. because the tax cuts for eveyone else were too.

Go back and read RICHARDS post. He was talking about Bush.

Let us use Obamas OWN words as he did for the stimulus, It, created or saved X amount of jobs.. Honestly I want all these taxes to go back up, so people can see if it helps or not and quit guessing. Keep taxes high for a couple of years, close the loop holes, while revamping several programs, getting rid of fraud, waste and all that crap.

If it DOES bring in more money, so WHAT, who ever is in office will just Spend it!

Um... try EVERYTHING...

holy moly.

Yea, I saw that too. Obama rushed the compound, locked & loaded and dumped two rounds into Bin laden. It sounded like it was damn fine shooting.

Seriously, Richard. Don't bother. You are far to difficult of a person to even have a reasonable discussion with. So I will take a pass on any more dialog.

ur still mad about teh bees

richard, you're an obnoxious clown who thinks he's witty. let me ask you something. what has all of that intelligence you *think* you have gotten you in this world?

know enough not to insult people to try to prove my worth

how about you?

Know enough to know where you'll be in 20 years.

simply put the republicans are the party of "no". they want obama to fail PERIOD. even if it means that we default on our loans, lose our AAA rating, go into depression etc. all would be blamed on obama.

tea party is mad, says they're too much taxation: fact, this is the lowest taxes have been in 40-50 years. if republicans are so against socialized medicine, then why don't they step up and opt-out of medicare. (SS too while you're at it)

I am Canadian and if I was an America I would probably be considered a democrat, however I could not agree more with 12clicks and minte so far in this thread.

American's are treating their politics like a battle between the crips and bloods, where battling on internet forums and news website comment sections about every bullshit remark your party leaders make instead of discussing actual solutions. Instead, you would hope to see some type of common sense sneak into the minds of probably 90% of the absolute brain dead population in the US. People are more concerned about being part of a clan, then caring about the actual politics. Don't get me wrong, I am not a hater, I truly want to see America get it's shit together, because as a Canadian I was making 40-50 cents more on the dollar back in the day. However, the current active generations in America these days have absolutely no idea what the fuck they are talking about or doing, that goes for both parties. It is embarrassing.

Your country is a reality show to the rest of the world.

uncanny..

I personally think washington even the democrats have been republican light. Which is part of the problem. Cutting taxes doesn't create jobs. Demand is the only thing that is going to create jobs.

Not really. http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...mocrat-and-al/

More bad news for Obama

Just when it seemed President Obama was rallying his Democratic base anew, he still can?t escape the long shadow of his most recent Democratic predecessor.

In an extensive interview with the leading conservative news website Newsmax, former President Bill Clinton undercut Obama?s leading economic message about raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans.

?I personally don?t believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending until we get this economy off the ground,? Clinton said.


http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-snubs-...011400366.html

This is BS imo. The US already has low taxes, lower than most OECD countries. The thing that republicans have trouble understanding is that trickle down doesn't work and cutting taxes doesn't always bring about more employment.

Neoliberalism gave us cheap TVs and iPods but it has destroyed manufacturing. That's not coming back, high levels of long term unemployment are here to stay.

Corporations won't save the USA, helping small businesses is much more beneficial because they do employ locally and won't be sending their workforce to China or setting up their tax base in Ireland.

I'm not convinced that any politician, be it democrat or republican, is going to to be able to enact any meaningful changes given today's political environment.

And the fact that whatever side of the isle you are on, there is a media outlet that will cater directly to you does not help either. Republicans are always going to find talking points to back their beliefs just as democrats will... and no meaningful debate will ever take place because the general population does not think for itself, we just repeat what we hear without really trying to understand what we are being sold.

having said that, i think IF a republican is able to change things, that candidate would be ron paul. as someone already noted, presidents dont really have ultimate power to make changes, they need congress to back them up, and because of this i dont think he would be able to really change much on capital hill...BUT i think he can change the way the general population thinks. I think he is the only presidential candidate that will tell us the truth, i think he is ok saying what he thinks instead of trying ot say what he thinks will get him elected, and that is what we need. if he changes the way we debate, that will in the long run change the direction of the country, and that is crucial at this point. our political system is in real danger of complete collapse and unless people can start to have healthy debates about the country America truly is destined to become the laughing stock that most of the world already believes us to be

i have never voted republican, and i never thought i would, but i would vote for ron paul, if nothing else to have him tell us what is really going on.... no one else will in my opinion

I believe what Clinton said also. What is needed is a revamp of ALL the systems out there. This BS fraud and waste, overcharging of the military. Stop all the wars, all troops home, quit giving out foreign aid, till our own country is fixed, and so on.

The fact that Clinton said it,when he said it is the real news story.

When one party states flatly that it's goal is to prevent the other party from making progress, you can't really wait for them to acquire common sense some day.

It would've been better if the democrats had made some FORWARD progress when they had the chance. Instead they wasted all their politcal capital on a healthcare reform that is basically DOA.

So I agree,we really can't sit and wait for incumbant democrats to acquire common sense.

well listen, I'm sure you're a business owner and employer who is speaking from experience.......right?:thumbsup

by your posts I can tell that you have zero understanding of the strategy I'm suggesting.

when making progress means raising taxes, those of us who actually pay them understand the common sense of saying no.

a moderate republican could do well.
someone like Tom McClintock.
the problem with moderate repubs is they dont make it past the primary.. to win the primary you have to be a hardcore conservative, and that dont fly with the majority of american voters.

as to what is needed to turn the country around:
nothing new, the problems we are having now we have had for 20 years but no one had to grab the bull by the horns, Obama was forced to do so.
Housing is what caused the mess, instead of trying all the other bull crap, fix the housing and the rest will come along.
i also believe the healthcare system is completely flawed, it need a 100% re-do.

Don't let Ron Paul fool you, he's all for earmarks and government waste when it helps his state and his political standing. He supported spending 200 billion on defense contracts for a project projected to be a faliure, it was because it started an arms race we know as 'Star Wars'. At the time it was criticized for being unrealistic, even unscientific, as well threatening to destabilize MAD and re-ignite an arms race, which it did. It was probably one of the biggest money wasting programs of the Reagan administration.

Texas is ranked second among states in the value of defense contracts won -$39,480,651,081 in 2007- and Ron Paul does not vote against them. So Ron Paul claims to be against war and government waste and here he is grabbing the cashcow that is government defense spending.

Ron Pauls motto should be: United in war we stand, Divided in peace we fall.