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12clicks · 09-22-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

This post began with a question. A question none of you Obama haters seem capable of answering.

To achieve "halfwit" status, you would have to clone yourself and merge the two quarter wits together.

I answered your question. was it over your head?
what exactly is YOUR plan?

BFT3K · 09-22-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I answered your question. was it over your head?
what exactly is YOUR plan?

Here is the question, again. It is short, and should be easy to comprehend, even for a dimwitted, brainwashed, moron, like yourself. It has nothing to do with MY plan, as you are attempting to redirect it. You have yet to answer it.

How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

raymor · 09-22-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

lol @ perry = clinton

please. just because their tactics (bush & perry) are different doesn't mean their agendas are

I don't like Bush or Perry. A year and a half ago I voted against Perry.
Do you think GW Bush and Al Gore are the same?
Do you think Al Gore's campaign manager, a lifelong democrat until just recently, agrees with Bush on everything?
That's Rick Perry who ran Gore's campaign in Texas. If you want to say "all politicians are the same" ok, there's a larger grain of truth to that than most people realize. But to think that Al Gore's team, of which Perry was a leadng member, holds the same political views as W Bush is simply mistaken. Bush and Gore hold fundamentally different core beliefs and Perry chose Gore's paradigm.

directfiesta · 09-22-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Here is the question, again.

How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

The hate radio talking heads and Fix Noise have not yet addressed this point as your are formulating it ( they still are on the birth certificate and the muslim suff ) .

Once they do, our libertarian here present will be able to 'answer' your question ....

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Here is the question, again. It is short, and should be easy to comprehend, even for a dimwitted, brainwashed, moron, like yourself. It has nothing to do with MY plan, as you are attempting to redirect it. You have yet to answer it.

How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

I republican president can lower the corporate tax rate to zero. Republicans, having won the senate and increased their numbers in the house thanks to the tea party and the new republican president's coat tails, will push this policy thru and tell the dems to get lost as the reverse happened when obama came to power.
Thats how.

now silly, do you seriously have no clue on what YOUR people should do? really?

Minte · 09-22-2011, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

So the initial question goes unanswered, as predicted.

We are 12 years into this wonderful Bush Tax Cuts For The Rich bullshit, and look where it's gotten us.

Once all of the dust settles, and the people are faced with Obama vs another douche bag, with the same agenda as the last one, guess who wins?

Originally Posted by Minte
Showing strength and leadership would go a long way in calming the fears of corporate america. Obama came into this job with absolutely no leadership experience on any level. His claim to fame was a college adviser and a junior senator from one of the most corrupt political dynasty's in the country. He continues to wear the badge of inexperience proudly.

TheDoc · 09-22-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I was hoping someone of intelligence would ask this but you'll do as a foil.

We live in a global economy. like it or not, those are the facts. Smarter, hungrier countries are luring corporations to them with low or no corporate taxes. With them go jobs. Thinking that we're somehow going to teach GE a lesson and "close their loopholes" is silly. There are too many stable, business friendly countries to set up shop in and we're seeing it happen daily.
The bright side is that there is no better place to do business than in the US and all things being equal, corporations WANT to do business here. So we need to make all things equal.
Eliminate corporate taxes for companies headquartered in the US. Tweak the rules a bit so that the corps MUST bring jobs back with them and our jobs problem would be over. Putting all those people back to work fixes the economy and makes up for the lost revenue. Its a simple easy fix but obama and the left can't do it because they've spent their entire lives explaining to the rabble how evil corporations are.

Minte, what do you think of that?

I agree that many of our corps move to other countries because of tax benefits. However, it's not the zero corp rate that does it. Some of the top countries like Ireland just have a lower rate, and on average those same corps pay about an equal rate here or more because of Vat. Then they can own corps out of those Countries and those Countries don't require taxation on the transfer of that money, unlike here.

Even countries with super low rates and zero corp tax rates use other zero/low rate countries for tax benefits and more importantly, lower wages.

However, that is not why those corps don't build here.... that's why they move from here.

They don't move back here, come here, re-invest here with the billions they've made off shore, because of Capital Gains Tax. Would you move a billion dollars to setup shop if the gov was going to take 20-40% off the top, gross? Of course not.

I do believe we're in a global economy as well... however I realize that means people should stop expecting jobs to return here and start looking outside our borders for work. Just like I don't only do business in America, and if any of us did, we would all be rather screwed.... like an American without a job.

BFT3K · 09-22-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I republican president can lower the corporate tax rate to zero. Republicans, having won the senate and increased their numbers in the house thanks to the tea party and the new republican president's coat tails, will push this policy thru and tell the dems to get lost as the reverse happened when obama came to power.
Thats how.

Ahhh, now I get it! In an effort to fix the division in Washington, the American voters will give ALL of the power back to the GOP (the people who got us into this mess to begin with), and then everything will be okay.

So your answer is based solidly in Fantasy Land then? Good luck with that!

Any REAL answers to the question, based in reality?

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I agree that many of our corps move to other countries because of tax benefits. However, it's not the zero corp rate that does it. Some of the top countries like Ireland just have a lower rate, and on average those same corps pay about an equal rate here or more because of Vat. Then they can own corps out of those Countries and those Countries don't require taxation on the transfer of that money, unlike here.

Even countries with super low rates and zero corp tax rates use other zero/low rate countries for tax benefits and more importantly, lower wages.

However, that is not why those corps don't build here.... that's why they move from here.

They don't move back here, come here, re-invest here with the billions they've made off shore, because of Capital Gains Tax. Would you move a billion dollars to setup shop if the gov was going to take 20-40% off the top, gross? Of course not.

I do believe we're in a global economy as well... however I realize that means people should stop expecting jobs to return here and start looking outside our borders for work. Just like I don't only do business in America, and if any of us did, we would all be rather screwed.... like an American without a job.

I don't see where any of this disputes what I said.

BFT3K · 09-22-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Originally Posted by Minte
Showing strength and leadership would go a long way in calming the fears of corporate america. Obama came into this job with absolutely no leadership experience on any level. His claim to fame was a college adviser and a junior senator from one of the most corrupt political dynasty's in the country. He continues to wear the badge of inexperience proudly.

You are bashing Obama because he actually THINKS about his decisions, and may appear to waver on occasion, as circumstances change?

Following an idiot (like Bush or Perry) off a cliff, because they appear to have conviction in their own bad policies, does not leadership make.

TheDoc · 09-22-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I don't see where any of this disputes what I said.

oh... I don't think we need to worry about corp tax rates, rather cut the capital gains tax.

We've done it before and it worked, the gov actually ended up collecting more revenue as well, because that much more money was moved in to the Country.

miguelf · 09-22-2011, 08:41 AM

The only difference a Republican would make is stop all the spending on health care and stimulus. Other than that they are all the same.

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Ahhh, now I get it! In an effort to fix the division in Washington, the American voters will give ALL of the power back to the GOP (the people who got us into this mess to begin with), and then everything will be okay.

So your answer is based solidly in Fantasy Land then? Good luck with that!

Any REAL answers to the question, based in reality?

dear mindless liberal with no ability to think or obviously understand history.

EVERY president pulls in members of the house and senate on his coattails. Your total lack of understanding of business, the economy, and politics makes it difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you.

whichever president the people turn to will gain seats in both the house and senate.
your hypothetical was that a republican won the presidency. I'm sorry you didn't understand the landscape of your own question.

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

oh... I don't think we need to worry about corp tax rates, rather cut the capital gains tax.

We've done it before and it worked, the gov actually ended up collecting more revenue as well, because that much more money was moved in to the Country.

but that does nothing for jobs.
The money brought in would be profits. if it weren't it could be brought in tax free at any time to cover expenses. so there would be a small, one time boost in revenue but still no jobs.
My plan is much more reaching than that

TheDoc · 09-22-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by miguelf

The only difference a Republican would make is stop all the spending on health care and stimulus. Other than that they are all the same.

Fed healthcare spending has gone up under every President for the last 40 years. So I'm going to guess they aren't going to stop all the healthcare spending anytime soon.

The last republican did two stimulus packages and 1.3 trillion in bailouts. The two before him both had bank bailouts, and one had an airline bailout, and the largest spending increase in history is under two Republicans.

BFT3K · 09-22-2011, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

dear mindless liberal with no ability to think or obviously understand history.

EVERY president pulls in members of the house and senate on his coattails. Your total lack of understanding of business, the economy, and politics makes it difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you.

whichever president the people turn to will gain seats in both the house and senate.
your hypothetical was that a republican won the presidency. I'm sorry you didn't understand the landscape of your own question.

Most voters understand that this economy, this bad economy, is the result of Republican policies and the Bush administration. Poll after poll after poll has said that, and if you want to go into the details, over eight years of President Bush's policies of deregulation, of tax cuts, all things that Rick Perry says has created jobs, actually George Bush created a net three million jobs in eight years.

Even Jimmy Carter created more jobs in one term than Bush did with these policies in two terms, so once we get into this debate, once we get beyond the superficial headlines of Perry's positioning, we're going to have this played out and people will recall, as they already in polls, that the Bush policies weren't too good. ~ Richard Wolffe

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wi...#ixzz1YhGIVqit

raymor · 09-22-2011, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

And Newt? The guy that got kicked out the Reagan admin for being a scammer?

I think you're confusing him with someone else. Newt Gingrich was never part of the Reagan administration.
Gingrich was in the House of Representatives wen Reagan was president.

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Most voters understand that this economy, this bad economy, is the result of Republican policies and the Bush administration. Poll after poll after poll has said that, and if you want to go into the details, over eight years of President Bush's policies of deregulation, of tax cuts, all things that Rick Perry says has created jobs, actually George Bush created a net three million jobs in eight years.

Even Jimmy Carter created more jobs in one term than Bush did with these policies in two terms, so once we get into this debate, once we get beyond the superficial headlines of Perry's positioning, we're going to have this played out and people will recall, as they already in polls, that the Bush policies weren't too good. ~ Richard Wolffe

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wi...#ixzz1YhGIVqit

What this has to do with your question or my answer, god only knows.
Is it some sort of distraction from you not understanding your own question?

TheDoc · 09-22-2011, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

I think you're confusing him with someone else. Newt Gingrich was never part of the Reagan administration.
Gingrich was in the House of Representatives when Reagan was president.

Ethics sanctions
Gingrich is the only Speaker of the House to have been disciplined for ethics violations.[61]

During his term as Speaker, eighty-four ethics charges were filed against him; eighty-three of them were dropped.[62] The remaining charge concerned a 20-hour college course called "Renewing American Civilization" that Gingrich had taught through a tax-deductible foundation, Kennesaw State College Foundation. Allegations of tax improprieties (which were never proven) led to two counts "of failure to seek legal advice" and one count of "providing the committee with information which he knew or should have known was inaccurate" concerning the use of a tax exempt college course for political purposes. To avoid a full hearing, Gingrich and the House Ethics Subcommittee negotiated a sanctions agreement. Democrats accused Gingrich of violating the agreement, but it was forwarded to the House for approval.[63][64] On January 21, 1997, the House voted 395 to 28 to reprimand Gingrich, including a $300,000 "cost assessment" to recoup money spent on the investigation.[65][66]

The full committee panel did not agree whether tax law had been violated.[67] In 1999, the IRS cleared the organizations connected with the courses.[68

TheDoc · 09-22-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

but that does nothing for jobs.
The money brought in would be profits. if it weren't it could be brought in tax free at any time to cover expenses. so there would be a small, one time boost in revenue but still no jobs.
My plan is much more reaching than that

It's trillions in revenue that was brought in last time.

If they move money here, for any reason right now, expenses, investments, etc... it's taxed at 40% gross.

For a corp to get the tax benefit (even today) they have to invest it in themselves, which is what produces jobs, just like before.

Major American corps are sitting on more liquid cash than ever before in history. Them investing that money is an expense, and any major startup like that will have major costs for a long time, thus very little to no taxes (10 year average on return), and even major tax benefits depending on where they setup.

I do support a zero corp tax rate though, I need a raise... I'm not going to hire anyone new, I don't need anyone, but shit... I'll pay the tax personally and take that as a new income stream any day of the week.

spazlabz · 09-22-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Actually answer me this. What has Obama done differently from Bush?

he gives better speeches and folds like an old lawn chair

Minte · 09-22-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I was hoping someone of intelligence would ask this but you'll do as a foil.

We live in a global economy. like it or not, those are the facts. Smarter, hungrier countries are luring corporations to them with low or no corporate taxes. With them go jobs. Thinking that we're somehow going to teach GE a lesson and "close their loopholes" is silly. There are too many stable, business friendly countries to set up shop in and we're seeing it happen daily.
The bright side is that there is no better place to do business than in the US and all things being equal, corporations WANT to do business here. So we need to make all things equal.
Eliminate corporate taxes for companies headquartered in the US. Tweak the rules a bit so that the corps MUST bring jobs back with them and our jobs problem would be over. Putting all those people back to work fixes the economy and makes up for the lost revenue. Its a simple easy fix but obama and the left can't do it because they've spent their entire lives explaining to the rabble how evil corporations are.

Minte, what do you think of that?

From my point of view that is exactly how the economy would repair itself. For years the Chinese government paid their manufacturers 14 cents on every dollar of product they exported. Today, it's still 7 cents. With that kind of incentive to grow jobs, it's not a surprise that China's economy is flourishing at the expense of US jobs.

Minte · 09-22-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

You are bashing Obama because he actually THINKS about his decisions, and may appear to waver on occasion, as circumstances change?

Following an idiot (like Bush or Perry) off a cliff, because they appear to have conviction in their own bad policies, does not leadership make.

Right,he thinks for months until the moment has passed.

Do you not understand what being a LEADER is? It's someone that can make a decision and inspire people to do better than they would normally be capable of doing.

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

From my point of view that is exactly how the economy would repair itself. For years the Chinese government paid their manufacturers 14 cents on every dollar of product they exported. Today, it's still 7 cents. With that kind of incentive to grow jobs, it's not a surprise that China's economy is flourishing at the expense of US jobs.

its such a logical idea but obama can't do it because he can't be seen giving a tax break to the people he's spent three years vilifying so other countries will continue to take our businesses, our jobs and our lunch because of a political gambit that failed.

Shotsie · 09-22-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

From my point of view that is exactly how the economy would repair itself. For years the Chinese government paid their manufacturers 14 cents on every dollar of product they exported. Today, it's still 7 cents. With that kind of incentive to grow jobs, it's not a surprise that China's economy is flourishing at the expense of US jobs.

We could also formally label China a currency manipulator, and encourage the rest of the world to do the same because China is destroying the world economy right now by undervaluing their currency in order to get an unfair price advantage on wordwide trade, and after all, we're the ones that buy all their cheap shit. Impose import duties on Chinese goods to balance that out. Not to mention the rest of the downright criminal business practices they engage in like intellectual property theft, exporting shoddy goods like toxic drywall, lead painted toys, etc. that they're NEVER sanctioned for. What China is doing right now is economical warfare and should be treated as such

The Porn Nerd · 09-22-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

dwarfs are people too you know

Not technically.

NetHorse · 09-22-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

How would a Republican president fix America's current problems, and why do you believe he/she would be capable of accomplishing such a task, in today's hostile and divided political environment?

Discuss....

There is no easy solution, one obvious answer is not to make it WAY worse than it already was. AKA astronomical spending, increased taxes, creating MORE regulations, bureaucratical nightmares for small and large businesses alike, etc.

It's one thing to be totally ineffective and have unemployment get progressively worse, it's another to spend 100s of billions, make things much worse and still be in the same position if you had done nothing at all.

Coup · 09-22-2011, 10:57 AM

Perry / Bachmann '12

They have my vote, FOR DER CHRISTIAN MOTHERLAND USA NUMBER ONE 1 FOR EVER AND ALWAYS GOD BLESS AMERICA RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.

Rochard · 09-22-2011, 11:18 AM

Did it ever occur to anyone that the Republican party threw the last election?

Think about it. At a time of massive crisis the Republican party put up McCain and Palin. Palin is a joke, and while we think of McCain as a "hero" the truth is he's destroyed more US airplanes than enemy airplanes - his entire military career was a huge fail. The Republican party didn't want to win the last election because they knew it was impossible to unfuck.

No one president can unfuck our situation in four years. Or eight years. Our problem is that big.

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

while we think of McCain as a "hero" the truth is he's destroyed more US airplanes than enemy airplanes

hey genius, pretty hard to destroy enemy planes flying ground attack aircraft but don't let that get in the way of your rant

Minte · 09-22-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Did it ever occur to anyone that the Republican party threw the last election?

Think about it. At a time of massive crisis the Republican party put up McCain and Palin. Palin is a joke, and while we think of McCain as a "hero" the truth is he's destroyed more US airplanes than enemy airplanes - his entire military career was a huge fail. The Republican party didn't want to win the last election because they knew it was impossible to unfuck.

No one president can unfuck our situation in four years. Or eight years. Our problem is that big.

No one president should continue to make it worse by increasing spending at a record pace in 2 1/2 years. The country would've been better off if Obama had done absolutely nothing but fly around in AF1 and work on his golf game.

Minte · 09-22-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotsie

We could also formally label China a currency manipulator, and encourage the rest of the world to do the same because China is destroying the world economy right now by undervaluing their currency in order to get an unfair price advantage on wordwide trade, and after all, we're the ones that buy all their cheap shit. Impose import duties on Chinese goods to balance that out. Not to mention the rest of the downright criminal business practices they engage in like intellectual property theft, exporting shoddy goods like toxic drywall, lead painted toys, etc. that they're NEVER sanctioned for. What China is doing right now is economical warfare and should be treated as such

The subsidies that Chinese manufacturing have received from their government is unreal. The government carries a big percentage of raw material costs. Energy costs are almost nothing. The government grants startups money to buy specific machinery.
Even today, there are parts we buy from China that are cheaper than the raw material costs here in the US. And that includes shipping.

On the infrastructure side,they look the other way when it comes to employee safety,environmental protection,wages.insurances. There is no way possible to really compete against that. All we can do is wait it out until China becomes a consumer nation.
Or impose serious import tariffs. And based on the history with Japan and Taiwan, that's not going to happen.

_Richard_ · 09-22-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

That's the best you have? Yet another silly picture.
You should go play at the captain-kangaroo.com board.

this picture says it best about the 'strong leadership' of the last republican administration

quess 'water-boarding' has a different definition in america

grumpy · 09-22-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Actually answer me this. What has Obama done differently from Bush?

he married a black girl

Minte · 09-22-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

this picture says it best about the 'strong leadership' of the last republican administration

quess 'water-boarding' has a different definition in america

Might be, love or hate what Bush did, the US has not sustained another successful terrorist attack in 10 years. And on the flip side,did a serious amount of damage to both Al Qaeda and the Taliban organizations in the mean time.

And that was what he planned to do.

BFT3K · 09-22-2011, 12:48 PM

And here's a follow-up question:

With 12 years of tax giveaways to the richest people and the largest corporations - achieving the lowest tax rate since the 1950s - why haven't any of the so-called "Job Creators" created ANY fucking jobs, and with that said, why should their tax breaks and loopholes get extended for even one more minute?

BFT3K · 09-22-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Might be, love or hate what Bush did, the US has not sustained another successful terrorist attack in 10 years. And on the flip side,did a serious amount of damage to both Al Qaeda and the Taliban organizations in the mean time.

And that was what he planned to do.

Before you rewrite too much history, 9/11 happened under the Bush/Cheney administration, remember?

The same people who hate when Obama blames Bush for the mess, didn't seem to mind blaming Clinton for Bin Laden...

marketsmart · 09-22-2011, 01:03 PM

they dont need to lower corporate taxes, they need to figure out how to get more money into the hands of the middle class and the poor.. those are the mass consumers and thats what drives the economy, consumption...

look how good the economy was when credit was running free and people were refinancing their houses every two weeks and taking out the equity..

now, we dont need that mess all over again, but the point is that consumption drives our economy and corporations have proven that tax breaks dont increase enough hiring to spur the economy..

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_Richard_ · 09-22-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Might be, love or hate what Bush did, the US has not sustained another successful terrorist attack in 10 years. And on the flip side,did a serious amount of damage to both Al Qaeda and the Taliban organizations in the mean time.

And that was what he planned to do.

so what other means will justify your nations ends? i notice al qaeda's leader was taken out by the democratic 'scared little boy'. That organization is now operating in iraq, libya (with nato support) and somalia with no real obvious evidence of 'serious damage'

the taliban? we haven't done anything the russians or the british haven't done over the past 100 years

seems to make em stronger

the only real good example i can think of is the indians and agreements there

PornoMonster · 09-22-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

He caught and killed bin Laden, pulled most of our troops out of Iraq and refocused the war on terror back back on Afghanistan where it should have never left.

No He Didnt catch Bin Laden. Bin Laden was caught on his watch.
The troops were to be pull out anyway, and WTF does it matter where the troops are?

Remember it was the War on Terror that used all this Money, you bitch about.

So are you for the War on terror? Spending money on the war(s)?

Oh wait Bush started it, so I have to KEEP DOING IT...

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

And here's a follow-up question:

With 12 years of tax giveaways to the richest people and the largest corporations - achieving the lowest tax rate since the 1950s - why haven't any of the so-called "Job Creators" created ANY fucking jobs, and with that said, why should their tax breaks and loopholes get extended for even one more minute?

part 1. because the employee pool is entirely to stupid.

part 2. because the tax cuts for eveyone else were too.

Minte · 09-22-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Before you rewrite too much history, 9/11 happened under the Bush/Cheney administration, remember?

The same people who hate when Obama blames Bush for the mess, didn't seem to mind blaming Clinton for Bin Laden...

Go back and read RICHARDS post. He was talking about Bush.

PornoMonster · 09-22-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

And here's a follow-up question:

With 12 years of tax giveaways to the richest people and the largest corporations - achieving the lowest tax rate since the 1950s - why haven't any of the so-called "Job Creators" created ANY fucking jobs, and with that said, why should their tax breaks and loopholes get extended for even one more minute?

Let us use Obamas OWN words as he did for the stimulus, It, created or saved X amount of jobs.. Honestly I want all these taxes to go back up, so people can see if it helps or not and quit guessing. Keep taxes high for a couple of years, close the loop holes, while revamping several programs, getting rid of fraud, waste and all that crap.

If it DOES bring in more money, so WHAT, who ever is in office will just Spend it!

2MuchMark · 09-22-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC

Actually answer me this. What has Obama done differently from Bush?

Um... try EVERYTHING...

holy moly.

Minte · 09-22-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

so what other means will justify your nations ends? i notice al qaeda's leader was taken out by the democratic 'scared little boy'. That organization is now operating in iraq, libya (with nato support) and somalia with no real obvious evidence of 'serious damage'

the taliban? we haven't done anything the russians or the british haven't done over the past 100 years

seems to make em stronger

the only real good example i can think of is the indians and agreements there

Yea, I saw that too. Obama rushed the compound, locked & loaded and dumped two rounds into Bin laden. It sounded like it was damn fine shooting.

Seriously, Richard. Don't bother. You are far to difficult of a person to even have a reasonable discussion with. So I will take a pass on any more dialog.

_Richard_ · 09-22-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Yea, I saw that too. Obama rushed the compound, locked & loaded and dumped two rounds into Bin laden. It sounded like it was damn fine shooting.

Seriously, Richard. Don't bother. You are far to difficult of a person to even have a reasonable discussion with. So I will take a pass on any more dialog.

ur still mad about teh bees

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

ur still mad about teh bees

richard, you're an obnoxious clown who thinks he's witty. let me ask you something. what has all of that intelligence you *think* you have gotten you in this world?

_Richard_ · 09-22-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

richard, you're an obnoxious clown who thinks he's witty. let me ask you something. what has all of that intelligence you *think* you have gotten you in this world?

know enough not to insult people to try to prove my worth

how about you?

12clicks · 09-22-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

know enough not to insult people to try to prove my worth

how about you?

Know enough to know where you'll be in 20 years.

johnny o · 09-22-2011, 03:47 PM

simply put the republicans are the party of "no". they want obama to fail PERIOD. even if it means that we default on our loans, lose our AAA rating, go into depression etc. all would be blamed on obama.

tea party is mad, says they're too much taxation: fact, this is the lowest taxes have been in 40-50 years. if republicans are so against socialized medicine, then why don't they step up and opt-out of medicare. (SS too while you're at it)

09-22-2011, 11:18 AM	#79
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 73,955	Did it ever occur to anyone that the Republican party threw the last election? Think about it. At a time of massive crisis the Republican party put up McCain and Palin. Palin is a joke, and while we think of McCain as a "hero" the truth is he's destroyed more US airplanes than enemy airplanes - his entire military career was a huge fail. The Republican party didn't want to win the last election because they knew it was impossible to unfuck. No one president can unfuck our situation in four years. Or eight years. Our problem is that big. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

09-22-2011, 03:47 PM	#100
johnny o Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: los angeles Posts: 825	simply put the republicans are the party of "no". they want obama to fail PERIOD. even if it means that we default on our loans, lose our AAA rating, go into depression etc. all would be blamed on obama. tea party is mad, says they're too much taxation: fact, this is the lowest taxes have been in 40-50 years. if republicans are so against socialized medicine, then why don't they step up and opt-out of medicare. (SS too while you're at it) __________________ http://candydreams.com info[at]candydreams[dot]com

09-22-2011, 08:41 AM	#62
miguelf Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 62	The only difference a Republican would make is stop all the spending on health care and stimulus. Other than that they are all the same.

09-22-2011, 10:57 AM	#78
Coup 🚨 PBBC International 🚨 Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: /👁\ Posts: 9,931	Perry / Bachmann '12 They have my vote, FOR DER CHRISTIAN MOTHERLAND USA NUMBER ONE 1 FOR EVER AND ALWAYS GOD BLESS AMERICA RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.

09-22-2011, 12:48 PM	#86
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	And here's a follow-up question: With 12 years of tax giveaways to the richest people and the largest corporations - achieving the lowest tax rate since the 1950s - why haven't any of the so-called "Job Creators" created ANY fucking jobs, and with that said, why should their tax breaks and loopholes get extended for even one more minute?

09-22-2011, 01:03 PM	#88
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	they dont need to lower corporate taxes, they need to figure out how to get more money into the hands of the middle class and the poor.. those are the mass consumers and thats what drives the economy, consumption... look how good the economy was when credit was running free and people were refinancing their houses every two weeks and taking out the equity.. now, we dont need that mess all over again, but the point is that consumption drives our economy and corporations have proven that tax breaks dont increase enough hiring to spur the economy.. .