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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818

    #61
    Originally posted by Minte
    Then maybe it would make sense to STOP spending at the rate this administration is spending. TAX & SPEND has always been the mantra of the democrats. Why is that?
    Umm did you also complain about the rates that both Bush's & Regan spent at? They created some of largest debit this country has ever seen.

    If you are going to complain about this admin, how about being consistent and complain about your own Republican boys that did just as much or worse. This isn't just a one sided issue as both parties are to blame for spending too much. As long as people continue to play politics with the issue it will never be stopped.
    Last edited by crockett; 09-20-2011, 10:35 AM.
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    • marketsmart
      HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
      • Dec 2004
      • 20419

      #62
      Originally posted by Sly
      What tax deductions is a guy with a $500,000 salary getting that brings him down to a $50,000 taxable rate? Those sound like sweet deductions.
      either your reading comprehension sucks or you aren't very bright...





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      • PornoMonster
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2003
        • 2257

        #63
        Originally posted by Mutt
        Canadian earning 100K pays 27% average tax rate for federal/provincial combined income tax. Canadian earning 200K pays 36%.

        Robbie we have all those taxes and more. And yes, the no state tax states kill you with insane property taxes and other user taxes. Money has to come from somewhere.

        The one thing the US doesn't have is a national sales tax - it's inevitable that one day it will happen. Even the Democrats won't mention it now because it's political suicide.
        Where does Canada Spend all this tax money then???
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        • Minte
          Babemeister
          • Jun 2001
          • 7081

          #64
          Originally posted by crockett
          Umm did you also complain about the rates that both Bush's & Regan spent at? They created some of largest debit this country has ever seen.

          If you are going to complain about this admin, how about being consistent and complain about your own Republican boys that did just as much or worse. This isn't just a one sided issue as both parties are to blame for spending too much. As long as people continue to play politics with the issue it will never be stopped.
          I am in business for many years. Do you actually think there has been a time when I was happy paying out as much as I do every year? As it is, Obama is the president. Not Reagan or Bush. And to answer your question. They all spend/waste to damn much of OUR money.
          You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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          • porno jew
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Nov 2006
            • 10166

            #65
            Originally posted by PornoMonster
            Where does Canada Spend all this tax money then???
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia..._2004#Expenses

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            • Minte
              Babemeister
              • Jun 2001
              • 7081

              #66
              Originally posted by Relentless
              Actually it works out to substantially more money if implemented correctly because there are many people collecting substantial incomes at little or no tax rate but making much less than the 8M per year. The so called 'idle rich' who have inherited very large sums of money and earn income on it at extremely low or no tax rate. 100M inherited and invested at a 2% rate of return on tax free municipal bonds is 2M per year income, but taxed very differently from 2M earned by someone who worked for it as payroll in the same year.

              I do not believe improving the fairness of an inherently broken tax system is a long term solution to either our financial problems or our ethical problems. However, I also do not see how making these change can be anything but a positive step forward on the revenue side of the equation. We aren't talking about raising any tax brackets, we are talking about making sure the people already in a given tax bracket are paying the amount that everyone else in their bracket is paying. Earning 2M should not be taxed more than investing 100M and taking home the same 2M amount.



              I do not think a 'moderate spending package' is a solution on the spending side any more than a 'moderate tax system change' would be effective on the revenue side. We need massive overhauls on both sides. The amount we spend should be reduced, but how we spend needs to be completely revamped.

              We currently fund a 1980s style military industrial complex for no reason, we fund farm subsidies and destroy crops to provide 'price support' rather than using that food to feed poor people and meanwhile 15% of our population is on food stamps, we give huge subsidies to oil companies that are already generating record profits, and we pay more for poor health care than any other country on the planet.

              I believe the solutions on the spending side are just as inevitable as they are on the revenue side of the equation. We are heading to some kind of single payer healthcare system for all basic medical care. We will soon have completely subsidized college educations and technical schools that are basically grades 13-15 for people who can not afford private colleges. We will rebuild our infrastructure to include high speed rail, national wifi, new bridges and a smarter power grid.

              Those things will have HUGE costs. The money will come from finally dropping many of the expenses that are used to generate profits for private companies. The only question is when, and that will be determined by how long it takes for bankers and oilmen to tilt the standard of living far enough in their direction to anger enough of the 300M citizens in this country to take to the streets. If you think predictions of riots are premature or childish, make note of the fact that Mike Bloomberg recently predicted the same thing if unemployment continues at its current pace.

              Mass poverty is bad for the poor, but historically its much much worse for the rich. The wealthy make out just fine no matter how everyone else is doing.
              Relentless... I agree with you. You are preaching to the choir.
              You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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              • marketsmart
                HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                • Dec 2004
                • 20419

                #67
                Originally posted by PornoMonster
                Where does Canada Spend all this tax money then???
                genetic engineering to try to get all the inbreeding out of canadians genes...

                canadians are some of the dumbest people in the world due to all the inbreeding....

                highest number of retards in the world and a lot of them actually post here..



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                • crockett
                  in a van by the river
                  • May 2003
                  • 76818

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Minte
                  I am in business for many years. Do you actually think there has been a time when I was happy paying out as much as I do every year? As it is, Obama is the president. Not Reagan or Bush. And to answer your question. They all spend/waste to damn much of OUR money.

                  Well then see that's the problem then not just this administration, but the govt is broken as a whole. Both sides spend too much of our damn money, but as long as people still go to the voting both and vote for one party or another just because they are Republican or Democrat then nothing will change.
                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                  • porno jew
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 10166

                    #69
                    Originally posted by marketsmart

                    canadians are some of the dumbest people in the world due to all the inbreeding....




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                    manitoba is not canada.

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                    • marketsmart
                      HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 20419

                      #70
                      Originally posted by crockett
                      Well then see that's the problem then not just this administration, but the govt is broken as a whole. Both sides spend too much of our damn money, but as long as people still go to the voting both and vote for one party or another just because they are Republican or Democrat then nothing will change.
                      i have been preaching this for the last few years...

                      doesnt matter which party is in office and/or controls congress, its all the same non sense..



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                      • marketsmart
                        HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 20419

                        #71
                        Originally posted by porno jew
                        manitoba is not canada.
                        well i hope you guys built a wall to keep all those other dumb canadians from breaching your city..

                        signs are useless since most canadians cant read....





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                        • JP-pornshooter
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 4007

                          #72
                          people are on foodstamps because they cant function properly in society, not because there is a food shortage.
                          bringing up these kinds of arguments always ruins it.

                          go look at the facts people.
                          nearly 50% of Americans contribute ZERO in taxes, and these people still get to vote?
                          thats just insane.. if ya' dont pay your share, no way in hell you should get any say in spending.

                          second.. lets not confuse tax rates with "actual tax contributions"
                          if the average person pays 20% taxes of 50K = 10K
                          so someone makes 500K, at 20% they pay 100K
                          in fact that person paid 10 times more in taxes than the average, i dont give a rats about the actual % rate, thats just a statistical way of blinding the stupid amongst us.
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                          • marketsmart
                            HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 20419

                            #73
                            Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
                            people are on foodstamps because they cant function properly in society, not because there is a food shortage.
                            bringing up these kinds of arguments always ruins it.
                            there are people on foodstamps because they have been out of work for the last year or two and not by choice.. of course that is not the majority of people on foodstams, but i believe its one of the few circumstances where foodstamps should be given..




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                            • Minte
                              Babemeister
                              • Jun 2001
                              • 7081

                              #74
                              Originally posted by marketsmart
                              i have been preaching this for the last few years...

                              doesnt matter which party is in office and/or controls congress, its all the same non sense..



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                              However, this is the first time in history the US has been downgraded on it's credit rating and things aren't improving fast enough. The alternative to finding a solution is getting more dangerous. Taking more from people who create jobs is not going to pass. So it's this administration playing brinksmanship politics now. And if there is a reason I dislike this group that is it.

                              They came out of the gate holding all the cards and all they did was galvanize the country with healthcare issues. From that point on, Obama has been under seige and it's not going to change.
                              You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                              • gleem
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jun 2001
                                • 5593

                                #75
                                So what are you gonna do about it all... vote teabaggers in, no spending, no tax increases but there will be an all out war against porn, back to Reagan-esque porn shop shutdowns and prosecutions, Christians running wild. Vote the liberaltardos in and we will all go broke but at least porn will still be around, but free prolly.

                                Good luck America, you need it.


                                P.S. Flat tax all sounds nice, but the middle/lower class still gets fucked. I liked Herman Cain's 9/9/9 plan (9 percent sales tax, 9 percent income tax and a 9 percent corporate tax) except that 9 percent sales tax will excessively burden the poor since paying 9% extra for their stuff has alot more impact than what 9% sales tax on the rich will have.




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