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Do I need a 2257 statement on my tube site?

09-18-2011, 12:51 PM

Hi,

Do i need to have a 2257 statement on my site if i serve legal sponsor and embed content? all of the content providers has their own 2257 statements.

If i do, where can i get a default 2257 text that i can fix to fit my site?

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09-18-2011, 12:52 PM

Although I'm not a lawyer and in cases like this you should always get advice from one, I think on a tube site you need the 2257 link displayed on each clip.

In other words, that clip should link directly to the 2257 page of the sponsor.

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09-18-2011, 12:54 PM

Just post your address so they know where to come and pick you up.

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09-18-2011, 01:28 PM

Tubes typically store generated screenshot thumbs of the video on the server so yes, you should have 2257 and your tube submission form should be setup to mandate the submitter provide a 2257 link for their sponsor so your tube software can keep track of your submitters 2257 info to supplement your own 2257 data on the generated screenshot thumbs.

Whether or not you chose to abide by the 2257 rules is another story though. Just saying what you're "supposed" to do is all in response to your question.
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09-18-2011, 01:33 PM

This is why those user-submitted tubes can never fully feel secure on US soil.. how do you provide 2257 information for full length DVD scene that has no watermarks? Or better yet, how do you provide 2257 information on a video of something taboo that joe-blow uploaded from his moms basement. They may be exempt from responsibility around copyright infringement and illegal types of content due to it being user submitted but they cannot be exempt from 2257 because most tubes have preview thumbnail animations when you mouse-over them. Those images need documentation

I'm really surprised nobody has lost their asses yet due to this because there have been many user submitted tubes ran from US citizens...
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09-18-2011, 01:34 PM

Are you an American hosting in America?

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09-18-2011, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by solokkhz

Hi,

Do i need to have a 2257 statement on my site if i serve legal sponsor and embed content? all of the content providers has their own 2257 statements.

If i do, where can i get a default 2257 text that i can fix to fit my site?

Thanks,
Solo

Solo,

I am guessing from your thread count that you are relatively new to the adult industry and/or to GFY. Welcome on both fronts.

It's a very good thing that you are courageous enough to openly ask questions that you don't know the answers to. Never be afraid to ask. There are a lot of great contributors on GFY that will help you along the way.

With regard to your first question, you absolutely need a 2257 statement (having made a few assumptions). Proceeding without a 2257 statement could expose you to some severe negative consequences.

With regard to your second question, there is no such thing as "default 2257 text" and I highly encourage you NOT to proceed without consulting with a lawyer who regularly works in this industry and with 2257 related issues. I know that you may find it easier to simply copy and paste the 2257 statement from a site that you think is similar to yours, but you would be setting yourself up for a disaster.

The proper way to get your 2257 statement put together is to consult with an attorney and have that attorney take the time to learn and understand your business. 2257 is quite complex and misunderstood by many. Only after analyzing your site could a lawyer properly give you 2257 advice.

If you have chosen to venture into this business then you have probably invested money that you have worked very hard for. While hiring an attorney may cost you more upfront, it is the only way to properly protect your investment.

Feel free to contact me. I am not the only adult industry attorney around, but I would be happy to chat with you if you would like.

This information is for general information purposes only. Nothing on this or associated pages, documents, comments, answers, emails, or other communications should be taken as legal advice for any individual case or situation. The information in this post is not intended to create, and receipt or viewing of this information does not constitute, an attorney-client relationship.

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09-18-2011, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Corey Silverstein, Esq.

Solo,

I am guessing from your thread count that you are relatively new to the adult industry and/or to GFY. Welcome on both fronts.

It's a very good thing that you are courageous enough to openly ask questions that you don't know the answers to. Never be afraid to ask. There are a lot of great contributors on GFY that will help you along the way.

With regard to your first question, you absolutely need a 2257 statement (having made a few assumptions). Proceeding without a 2257 statement could expose you to some severe negative consequences.

With regard to your second question, there is no such thing as "default 2257 text" and I highly encourage you NOT to proceed without consulting with a lawyer who regularly works in this industry and with 2257 related issues. I know that you may find it easier to simply copy and paste the 2257 statement from a site that you think is similar to yours, but you would be setting yourself up for a disaster.

The proper way to get your 2257 statement put together is to consult with an attorney and have that attorney take the time to learn and understand your business. 2257 is quite complex and misunderstood by many. Only after analyzing your site could a lawyer properly give you 2257 advice.

If you have chosen to venture into this business then you have probably invested money that you have worked very hard for. While hiring an attorney may cost you more upfront, it is the only way to properly protect your investment.

Feel free to contact me. I am not the only adult industry attorney around, but I would be happy to chat with you if you would like.

This information is for general information purposes only. Nothing on this or associated pages, documents, comments, answers, emails, or other communications should be taken as legal advice for any individual case or situation. The information in this post is not intended to create, and receipt or viewing of this information does not constitute, an attorney-client relationship.

Do you handle intellectual property issues as well? We have a producers group and at one of our meetings I think one of the producers mentioned that they were using you to handle piracy.

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09-18-2011, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by NemesisEnforcer

Do you handle intellectual property issues as well? We have a producers group and at one of our meetings I think one of the producers mentioned that they were using you to handle piracy.

Yes, I handle intellectual property issues. Feel free to contact me via email or telephone at your convenience.

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09-18-2011, 01:47 PM

Ask your attorney ;)

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09-18-2011, 02:01 PM

Yeah, I am sure that a beggining webmaster will discuss this with attorneys and pay them especially if he closes his shop after 3 months..

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09-18-2011, 02:37 PM

I am not a US citizen and non of my servers or domains registered and hosted in the territory of the united states. But I still don't want to get in trouble or the Interpol or any other international authority coming after me. Speaking to an attorney might be a good idea.

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09-18-2011, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by solokkhz

I am not a US citizen and non of my servers or domains registered and hosted in the territory of the united states. But I still don't want to get in trouble or the Interpol or any other international authority coming after me. Speaking to an attorney might be a good idea.

Well I'm not an attorney, but if you're not an American and not hosting in America how does American laws apply?

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09-18-2011, 02:40 PM

LOL -- oh, how I wish they'd start going after Tubes with 2257...or the appropriate paperwork for whatever country the tube's being hosted in.

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09-18-2011, 03:05 PM

I wonder how many adult webmasters have ever or will ever, consult an attorney, about anyhting

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09-18-2011, 03:24 PM

It would be glorious if they would actually start enforcing 2257. I'd jump through whatever stupid hoops I'd have to jump through if it meant taking all of these full length video free sites offline.

The problem is, no one enforces the law, so an industry of outlaws do what they do best.
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09-18-2011, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by solokkhz

But I still don't want to get in trouble or the Interpol or any other international authority coming after me. Speaking to an attorney might be a good idea.

LOL!!!

That's called paranoia dude... You don't need an attorney, you need therapy...

Or did you create this thread so that attorney could promote his services?

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09-18-2011, 04:02 PM

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LOL!!!

That's called paranoia dude... You don't need an attorney, you need therapy...

Or did you create this thread so that attorney could promote his services?

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09-18-2011, 04:14 PM

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Well I'm not an attorney, but if you're not an American and not hosting in America how does American laws apply?

It seems that you are the only american that thinks that way

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09-18-2011, 04:21 PM

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I wonder how many adult webmasters have ever or will ever, consult an attorney, about anyhting

Most lawyers don't even know your better off asking here for free other then the haters that will say otherwise.

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09-18-2011, 04:36 PM

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It seems that you are the only american that thinks that way

Which would be all fine and dandy if I were American. I am not American though.

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09-18-2011, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by solokkhz

Hi,

Do i need to have a 2257 statement on my site if i serve legal sponsor and embed content? all of the content providers has their own 2257 statements.

If i do, where can i get a default 2257 text that i can fix to fit my site?

Thanks,
Solo

if you are using sponsor content then linking to their 2257 page should be good enough, the better tube scripts give you that option to fill in when adding a sponsor to your database.

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09-19-2011, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by 19teenporn

LOL!!!

That's called paranoia dude... You don't need an attorney, you need therapy...

Or did you create this thread so that attorney could promote his services?

LOL i should charge that attorney for using my thread to promote his service ;) .

but really i just starting my way around the adult biz and just don't want to see my kids grow up with their father behind bars for some stupid mistake.

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09-19-2011, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by WarChild

Well I'm not an attorney, but if you're not an American and not hosting in America how does American laws apply?

depends if your website is marketing to American customers is also something to consider, off shore poker sites is a big example of non Americans hosting outside of America but still getting in trouble with American laws

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09-19-2011, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by d-null

depends if your website is marketing to American customers is also something to consider, off shore poker sites is a big example of non Americans hosting outside of America but still getting in trouble with American laws

Yeah I guess that's true if you go to America. Has there ever been any cases where one country has extradited one of their citizens to face US anti-gambling laws? I really don't know the answer to that one.

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09-19-2011, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by solokkhz

LOL i should charge that attorney for using my thread to promote his service ;) .

but really i just starting my way around the adult biz and just don't want to see my kids grow up with their father behind bars for some stupid mistake.

"going behind bars" is one thing, but probably a more likely consideration that should be thought about is financial liability, a lawyer could give one advice on protecting one's assets, house, bank account, future finances in the case of a possible lawsuit that could be the result of running a tube site or any other site in the business

if the webmaster is a broke kid living in some basement maybe it's not a big deal to them, but if you are a responsible adult hoping to not lose everything, it wouldn't be a bad idea to consider these things

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09-20-2011, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Corey Silverstein, Esq.

Solo,

I am guessing from your thread count that you are relatively new to the adult industry and/or to GFY. Welcome on both fronts.

It's a very good thing that you are courageous enough to openly ask questions that you don't know the answers to. Never be afraid to ask. There are a lot of great contributors on GFY that will help you along the way.

With regard to your first question, you absolutely need a 2257 statement (having made a few assumptions). Proceeding without a 2257 statement could expose you to some severe negative consequences.

With regard to your second question, there is no such thing as "default 2257 text" and I highly encourage you NOT to proceed without consulting with a lawyer who regularly works in this industry and with 2257 related issues. I know that you may find it easier to simply copy and paste the 2257 statement from a site that you think is similar to yours, but you would be setting yourself up for a disaster.

The proper way to get your 2257 statement put together is to consult with an attorney and have that attorney take the time to learn and understand your business. 2257 is quite complex and misunderstood by many. Only after analyzing your site could a lawyer properly give you 2257 advice.

If you have chosen to venture into this business then you have probably invested money that you have worked very hard for. While hiring an attorney may cost you more upfront, it is the only way to properly protect your investment.

Feel free to contact me. I am not the only adult industry attorney around, but I would be happy to chat with you if you would like.

This information is for general information purposes only. Nothing on this or associated pages, documents, comments, answers, emails, or other communications should be taken as legal advice for any individual case or situation. The information in this post is not intended to create, and receipt or viewing of this information does not constitute, an attorney-client relationship.

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09-20-2011, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Corey Silverstein, Esq.

Solo,

I am guessing from your thread count that you are relatively new to the adult industry and/or to GFY. Welcome on both fronts.

It's a very good thing that you are courageous enough to openly ask questions that you don't know the answers to. Never be afraid to ask. There are a lot of great contributors on GFY that will help you along the way.

With regard to your first question, you absolutely need a 2257 statement (having made a few assumptions). Proceeding without a 2257 statement could expose you to some severe negative consequences.

With regard to your second question, there is no such thing as "default 2257 text" and I highly encourage you NOT to proceed without consulting with a lawyer who regularly works in this industry and with 2257 related issues. I know that you may find it easier to simply copy and paste the 2257 statement from a site that you think is similar to yours, but you would be setting yourself up for a disaster.

The proper way to get your 2257 statement put together is to consult with an attorney and have that attorney take the time to learn and understand your business. 2257 is quite complex and misunderstood by many. Only after analyzing your site could a lawyer properly give you 2257 advice.

If you have chosen to venture into this business then you have probably invested money that you have worked very hard for. While hiring an attorney may cost you more upfront, it is the only way to properly protect your investment.

Feel free to contact me. I am not the only adult industry attorney around, but I would be happy to chat with you if you would like.

This information is for general information purposes only. Nothing on this or associated pages, documents, comments, answers, emails, or other communications should be taken as legal advice for any individual case or situation. The information in this post is not intended to create, and receipt or viewing of this information does not constitute, an attorney-client relationship.

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