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    • Nov 2003
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    Warner Bros sued for Copyright fraud

    Exploring the limits of permission... Check out the details and their implications...

    Source: http://gizmodo.com/5839739/warner-br...raud-and-abuse

    When Warner and four other major motion picture studios contacted Hotfile about pirates using their service to copy their movies, Hotfile gave them a Special Rightsholder Account (SRA), a tool designed to flag and delete any content they owned. With the tool, Warner could easily search for their copyrighted material and destroy it. That's alright. It's their stuff.

    But instead of just doing that, they went around living up to their douchebag legend and erased everything they wanted, which included material that was not owned by them. They deleted freeware and open source software left, right and center.
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    • spazlabz
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      • Jul 2003
      • 6548
      #2
      I am conflicted. I don't know whether to salute them or flip them the bird

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        • L-Pink
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          • Mar 2005
          • 39151
          #3
          Originally posted by spazlabz
          I am conflicted. I don't know whether to salute them or flip them the bird
          I'll go with salute.

          .

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            • raymor
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              • Oct 2002
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              #4
              Hotfile was sued by five movie studios before they filed this counter claim against warner.
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                    • His Infernal Majesty
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                      • Jul 2004
                      • 469
                      #6
                      It's funny when companies who blatantly skirt the law are so quick to sue.

                      Hopefully Hotfile will have to show financial damage done by having these links removed. Open their books on how much they're making by infringing on other people's copyrights. Then those companies should turn around and sue Hotfile. Hilarious!

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                        • blackmonsters
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                          • Nov 2002
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                          #7
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                            • iamtam
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                              • Feb 2010
                              • 1211
                              #8
                              that isn't warner being sued, that is hotfile's response to getting a rather complete reaming out by the courts and being orders to turn over all of their data, user information, and file infomation (everything except their source code) to the mpaa companies last week.

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                                    • Just Alex
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                                      Good luck with that shit.

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                                        • D Ghost
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                                          #11
                                          Warner had an economic motive to make these misrepresentations. As noted above, in early 2010, Warner proposed a business arrangement with Hotfile whereby Warner sought to present ecommerce links to Hotfile users who might purchase a Warner file for Warner's profit in place of links that Warner had deleted using its SRA tool.

                                          By increasing the number of links it was taking down with [their] SRA, and indeed falsely inflating these numbers, Warner was increasing the number of times it could present ecommerce links to Hotfile's users for its own enrichment.

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                                            • PornoMonster
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                                              • Mar 2003
                                              • 2257
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by His Infernal Majesty
                                              It's funny when companies who blatantly skirt the law are so quick to sue.

                                              Hopefully Hotfile will have to show financial damage done by having these links removed. Open their books on how much they're making by infringing on other people's copyrights. Then those companies should turn around and sue Hotfile. Hilarious!
                                              How do you have financial damage using other people stuff?? LOL

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                                                • Lykos
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                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                  • 31032
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                  I'll go with salute.

                                                  .
                                                  Would do the same.

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                                                    • Nautilus
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                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                      • 1631
                                                      #14
                                                      Here is the TorrentFreak cover of this story:

                                                      http://torrentfreak.com/hotfile-sues...-abuse-110913/

                                                      The most amazing part is this:

                                                      For example, while claiming to remove files that are copies of the movie The Box, Warner removed several files related to the alternative cancer treatment book ?Cancer: Out Of The Box,? by Ty M. Bollinger. Another title deleted by Warner was ?The Box that Saved Britain,? a production of the BBC, not Warner.
                                                      So they're basically saying "we KNOW that this stuff is stolen, the only problem we have with you is that it's not stolen from you but from some other guy who doesn't have that SRA thingy enabled for him and is not that quick to discover infringing links and send DMCAs. Now you need to pay us to compensate us the missed opportunity to monetize that stolen property".

                                                      WOW WOW WOW

                                                      That's some fucked up logic. However, under the current fucked up laws they may actually have some ground for such claims.

                                                      But they'll shoot themselves in the foot either way. If they cannot prove monetary loss from infringment, they'll lose. And if they can, Warner will stuff their asses with that proof in their another lawsuit.

                                                      And one last thing, a kinda open letter.

                                                      Dear Warner, if your next movie if going to have the word "ferro" in the title, I fully authorize you to remove any matches from Hotfile that will happen to be related to our program
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                                                        • 96ukssob
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                                                            • Jakez
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                                                              • Jan 2004
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                                                              #16
                                                              Salute them all you want, but aren't they abusing their power (what they're capable of) just like the file sharing companies are doing? Two wrongs don't make a right.

                                                              Originally posted by DJ The Kid
                                                              Warner had an economic motive to make these misrepresentations. As noted above, in early 2010, Warner proposed a business arrangement with Hotfile whereby Warner sought to present ecommerce links to Hotfile users who might purchase a Warner file for Warner's profit in place of links that Warner had deleted using its SRA tool.

                                                              By increasing the number of links it was taking down with [their] SRA, and indeed falsely inflating these numbers, Warner was increasing the number of times it could present ecommerce links to Hotfile's users for its own enrichment.
                                                              Ahh, and the plot thickens.

                                                              For example, while claiming to remove files that are copies of the movie The Box, Warner removed several files related to the alternative cancer treatment book “Cancer: Out Of The Box,” by Ty M. Bollinger. Another title deleted by Warner was “The Box that Saved Britain,” a production of the BBC, not Warner.
                                                              Actually, this looks more like they entered "the box" into a field, and hit find all/delete, thinking that should cover all their copyrighted material for that movie, ignorantly not knowing that there are plenty of other files with the phrase "the box" in it.
                                                              Last edited by Jakez; 09-14-2011, 01:07 AM.
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                                                                  • Aug 2001
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                  Rogue deleter for sure.
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                                                                    • blackmonsters
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                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                      • 20970
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by DJ The Kid
                                                                      Warner had an economic motive to make these misrepresentations. As noted above, in early 2010, Warner proposed a business arrangement with Hotfile whereby Warner sought to present ecommerce links to Hotfile users who might purchase a Warner file for Warner's profit in place of links that Warner had deleted using its SRA tool.

                                                                      By increasing the number of links it was taking down with [their] SRA, and indeed falsely inflating these numbers, Warner was increasing the number of times it could present ecommerce links to Hotfile's users for its own enrichment.
                                                                      Translation : Officer, my weed dealer just sold me a $20 bag but he is only putting
                                                                      like $17 worth of weed in the bag. Can you weigh my weed on your scale and verify
                                                                      this and take this guy down and get my money back. You can tell which money is
                                                                      mine in his pocket because I gave him a fake $20.

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                                                                        • gideongallery
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Nautilus



                                                                          So they're basically saying "we KNOW that this stuff is stolen, the only problem we have with you is that it's not stolen from you but from some other guy who doesn't have that SRA thingy enabled for him and is not that quick to discover infringing links and send DMCAs. Now you need to pay us to compensate us the missed opportunity to monetize that stolen property".

                                                                          WOW WOW WOW

                                                                          That's some fucked up logic. However, under the current fucked up laws they may actually have some ground for such claims.
                                                                          you want to show where they said "we know that the this stuff is stolen"

                                                                          it could be fair use (access shifting/ backup recovery/timeshifting) , authorized, or , a mislabelled file to get traffic, or infringing.

                                                                          in all four cases they are not profiting from it directly, only from providing a service which could be used to infringe .

                                                                          You don't hold the vcr responsible for the people who use it to make bootleg copies.

                                                                          Same principle applies here.

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                                                                            • Zorgman
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                                                                              • Aug 2002
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Who is dumb enough to give movie studios the permission to DELETE files?
                                                                              They should have just turned them OFF.. then Hotfile should have deleted them.
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                                                                                • bronco67
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                                                                                  • Dec 2006
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  The problem could be fixed by deleting Hotfile.

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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                                      Translation : Officer, my weed dealer just sold me a $20 bag but he is only putting
                                                                                      like $17 worth of weed in the bag. Can you weigh my weed on your scale and verify
                                                                                      this and take this guy down and get my money back. You can tell which money is
                                                                                      mine in his pocket because I gave him a fake $20.

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                                                                                        • Kenny B!
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                                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          You mean Warner bros didn't buy advertising in hotfile instead, because let's face it if WB doesn't buy ads on hotfile someone else will ;-)
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                                                                                            • Nautilus
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Kenny B!
                                                                                              You mean Warner bros didn't buy advertising in hotfile instead, because let's face it if WB doesn't buy ads on hotfile someone else will ;-)
                                                                                              They must be stupid not to do that
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                                                                                                      First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers.
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                                                                                                          Originally posted by ManPuppy
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