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  • 96ukssob
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    • Mar 2003
    • 12991

    #1

    I think I'm getting carpel tunnel... mouse suggetions?

    My right hand is starting to bother me more and more. I broke it when I was younger, about 10 or so years ago I punched a wall (stupid). Not sure if its carpel tunnel or not but at the end of the day, my hand aches!

    I heard this thing is pretty good, but anyone use it?

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  • L-Pink
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    • Mar 2005
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    #2
    Use your left hand for any non work related net activity.

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    • iamtam
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      • Feb 2010
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      #3
      for me the solution was moving to a larger mouse, remarkably. many people use very small mice that actually make you clench your hand all day, which makes it hurt. have a look a the microsoft wireless desktop mice not the mobile ones to get an idea of a larger mouse and what it can do for you. i actually find the added weight to be helpful.

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      • 96ukssob
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        • Mar 2003
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        #4
        Originally posted by iamtam
        for me the solution was moving to a larger mouse, remarkably. many people use very small mice that actually make you clench your hand all day, which makes it hurt. have a look a the microsoft wireless desktop mice not the mobile ones to get an idea of a larger mouse and what it can do for you. i actually find the added weight to be helpful.
        I use this one now, but problem is my pinky and ring finger hang off to right, which is where im getting some pain.

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        • Hentaikid
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          • Nov 2002
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          #5
          Trackball - the logitech marble is pretty good. No lifting the mouse anymore.

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          • PR_Glen
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            • Oct 2006
            • 9058

            #6
            Originally posted by Hentaikid
            Trackball - the logitech marble is pretty good. No lifting the mouse anymore.
            I use that for home and i have had it for years without issue, however i found it tough doing my day to day work stuff with it for some odd reason..

            If you can't use trackball, which I'm sure many of us here would refuse to try anyway, give a bigger mouse a shot and also crank up the speed on it. I find myself barely moving the mouse at all even across 2 big screens and less movement means less chance at injury. I also use a support pad for my wrist. If i don't use it i get pains all up my arm even after a few days so I'm sure that is a big help as well.
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            • crockett
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              • May 2003
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              #7
              I've used these for years and never had any issues with carpel tunnel. Your wrist sits pretty neutral when using it. No extra fancy buttons or scroll wheels but I've never had a need for anything but the classic 2 buttons. It's also awesome for gaming when playing FPS due to the aiming control you get with it.

              http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-p...s/devices/4680

              Last edited by crockett; 09-13-2011, 12:42 PM.
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              • JamesGw
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                • Apr 2011
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                #8
                Stop having bitchinitis, IMO.

                But seriously, do you get numbness in your fingers? That's usually carpal tunnel. You can also check for a ganglion cyst. Can cause similar symptoms and pain.
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                • Diomed
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                  • Jan 2009
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                  #9
                  I have some ugly old mouse that came with my Gateway I got like a decade ago.

                  For some reason, it fits my hand the best, so I stick with it.

                  I had one of those small logitec mouses for my laptop, but yeah they start to hurt.
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                  • SallyRand
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                    • Jan 2008
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                    #10
                    It's not your mouse, it's your keyboard.

                    Get an ergonomic keyboard fast.

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                    • 2MuchMark
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 50991

                      #11
                      It's not your mouse, its your keyboard. Check out my old setup:



                      That keyboard is an 80's style "Clicky" keyboard by IBM, and I *LOVE* it. Besides letting me type VERY fast (160 wpm easy) the "travel" of the keys and the solid click at the end of the travel does wonders for my fingers, hands and wrists.

                      In my new setup



                      I replaced my old PC's with new Macs, but just under the table I kept my IBM Keyboard. It works perfectly with my macs, and it lets me type very quickly.

                      You can find these keyboards on ebay for about $10 to $50.

                      If you don't want to switch keyboards, grab a Tennis ball and squeeze it for about 5 minutes every couple of hours. (Booble use to have these perfectly squeezable Boobies that worked well too). Basicly, any kind of excursive you can do with your hands will help.

                      Good luck!

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                      • PiffStenis
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                        • Apr 2006
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                        #12
                        I've had trouble like that for years. I thought it was Carpal but turned out to be RSI. I did a course of physiotherapy which helped a lot.

                        Anyway, I use this mouse:

                        http://www.keytools.co.uk/airobic-mo...ill-mouse.html

                        I have a mouse like the one you showed but I find the DPI too low - I have to move it too much.

                        The best thing I found was to use 2 mice. One hand for movement, the other for the clicks. It seems the combination of movement and clicks on one hand causes the trouble.

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                        • AmeliaG
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                          • Jan 2003
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by PiffStenis
                          I've had trouble like that for years. I thought it was Carpal but turned out to be RSI. I did a course of physiotherapy which helped a lot.

                          Anyway, I use this mouse:

                          http://www.keytools.co.uk/airobic-mo...ill-mouse.html

                          I have a mouse like the one you showed but I find the DPI too low - I have to move it too much.

                          The best thing I found was to use 2 mice. One hand for movement, the other for the clicks. It seems the combination of movement and clicks on one hand causes the trouble.

                          That looks interesting. Thanks for posting. I have the exact same mouse as bossku69, which is a decent mouse, as far as how it sits in my hand, compared to other current ones. But I prefer a bigger mouse. Every few years, I like to switch from a mouse to a trackball and then back, just to break up the repetitive action. I am also a fan of old low tech keyboards like ********** 'cause I like to pound my keys and that does not feel good without enough travel.
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                          • lazycash
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by L-Pink
                            Use your left hand for any non work related net activity.

                            .
                            Do this, I had right hand issues years ago and just learned to use my left and only use my right when I need to be precise with work.
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                            • skrog
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                              #15
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                              • vittle
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                                • Mar 2005
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                                #16
                                switch to a track ball

                                switched to a track ball a year ago...so much better!

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                                • raymor
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                                  • Oct 2002
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                                  #17
                                  A large thumb trackball like this worked well for me:

                                  http://www.google.com/m/products/det...21536814977356

                                  It took a few days to get used to. I need to get another one because my last one eventually died and I'm in pain right now from the mouse I've been using the last few weeks.
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                                  • AJHall
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                                    • Nov 2002
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                                    #18
                                    Get a vertical mouse from http://www.evoluent.com/

                                    It will take 1-2 weeks to get used to and your hand will ache a bit at first as your muscles adjust but after that your symptoms should fade quickly.

                                    This cured what seemed like chronic RSI for me in a matter of about 4 weeks. That was 5 years ago and I've never had a problem since.

                                    You can buy direct from them or from Amazon.



                                    Good luck!

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                                    • PornMD
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                                      • Jan 2007
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                                      #19
                                      I've had carpal tunnel for at least 4 or 5 years and I simply live with it. I make sure to take little breaks periodically and also crack my wrists a lot, but FWIW it hasn't progressed any further in years, and I've used computer pretty much 10+ hours a day almost every day for 10+ years.

                                      That said, I've mostly used laptop for the past few years and I think using touch pad spares my right wrist at least vs. using a regular mouse. It would take a lot to get accustomed to a trackball.
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                                      • ArsewithClass
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                                        • Mar 2007
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by crockett
                                        I've used these for years and never had any issues with carpel tunnel. Your wrist sits pretty neutral when using it. No extra fancy buttons or scroll wheels but I've never had a need for anything but the classic 2 buttons. It's also awesome for gaming when playing FPS due to the aiming control you get with it.

                                        http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-p...s/devices/4680

                                        Youre still using your nerves through the carpel tunnel

                                        Bossku69, you need a simple magnetic bracelet & wrap it around your wrist... it shall help with that pins and needles and aching in the wrist

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                                        • NetHorse
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                                          • Dec 2006
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                          If you don't want to switch keyboards, grab a Tennis ball and squeeze it for about 5 minutes every couple of hours. (Booble use to have these perfectly squeezable Boobies that worked well too). Basicly, any kind of excursive you can do with your hands will help.

                                          Good luck!
                                          Best advice in this thread. While some setups are better than others, sitting in front of your computer typing is unnatural and places stress on your body no matter what.

                                          Totally unrelated, but I love my inversion table. I invert when I take breaks to release the tension from sitting at a desk.

                                          If you aren't familiar with them, google inversion therapy.
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                                          • BIGTYMER
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                                            #22
                                            Just changing my mouse made my hand feel better.

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                                            • DamianJ
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                                              • Jul 2006
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by ArsewithClass
                                              Bossku69, you need a simple magnetic bracelet & wrap it around your wrist... it shall help with that pins and needles and aching in the wrist
                                              How would that help Gary? What part of the body is magnetic?

                                              There is no medical benefit to wearing a magnet at all. It's not even a debate. There's no evidence whatsoever it does anything.

                                              "Magnet therapy, magnetic therapy, or magnotherapy is an alternative medicine practice involving the use of static magnetic fields. Practitioners claim that subjecting certain parts of the body to magnetostatic fields produced by permanent magnets has beneficial health effects. These claims are both physically and biologically implausible and no effects on health or healing have been established"

                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_...Magnet_therapy

                                              Maybe you should have stayed at school past 15 and you'd know that blood isn't magnetic.

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                                              • PornoMonster
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                                                #24
                                                Mouse pad with a wrist pad..
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                                                • Deej
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                                                  #25
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                                                  • HerPimp
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                                                    • Mar 2006
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                                                    #26
                                                    No bullshit. Energy drinks with vitamin b will cure all your carpal tunnel symptoms.

                                                    Best mouse all around: Logitech G500

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                                                    • boneless
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                                                      • Dec 2002
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                                                      #27
                                                      using this simple logitech one for over 5 years now and it still rocks, i work for around 12-14 hours each day with it and no problems so far ;) it fits perfectly in my hand ;)

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                                                      • Theo
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                                                        #28
                                                        track ball all the way

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                                                        • Sophie Delancey
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                                                          #29
                                                          I'm loving the Lion tracking functions on my might mouse. My wrist thanks me.
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                                                          • HowlingWulf
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                                                            #30
                                                            I also use an Imak Smartglove which helps.
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                                                            • bronco67
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                              Use your left hand for any non work related net activity.

                                                              .
                                                              But then you have to wank with the right hand....and it doesn't know all the moves that the left one does.

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                                                              • Oracle Porn
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by bossku69
                                                                I use this one now, but problem is my pinky and ring finger hang off to right, which is where im getting some pain.

                                                                this mouse gave me carpal tunnel too!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                i now use kensington slimblade trackball


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                                                                • Oracle Porn
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by AJHall
                                                                  Get a vertical mouse from http://www.evoluent.com/

                                                                  It will take 1-2 weeks to get used to and your hand will ache a bit at first as your muscles adjust but after that your symptoms should fade quickly.

                                                                  This cured what seemed like chronic RSI for me in a matter of about 4 weeks. That was 5 years ago and I've never had a problem since.

                                                                  You can buy direct from them or from Amazon.



                                                                  Good luck!

                                                                  AJ
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                                                                  • Adraco
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                                                    this mouse gave me carpal tunnel too!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                    i now use kensington slimblade trackball
                                                                    I hav this mouse too, very parctical with bluetooth for all my travelling. But I'm starting to feel a bit in the section between the thumb and the indexfinger as well as having my pinky and ringfinger hanging out on the right side, as bossku described and there is a bit of pain a few days per week. Might be time to get rid of this mouse!
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                                                                    • V_RocKs
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                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                      • 32449

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by bossku69
                                                                      I use this one now, but problem is my pinky and ring finger hang off to right, which is where im getting some pain.

                                                                      That is actually a symptom of pinching a nerve in your elbow.

                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulnar_nerve_entrapment

                                                                      you need more padding on wherever it is your elbow is resting...

                                                                      As for carpal tunnel... I suggest a mouse pad with the little gel cushion so your forearm takes the weight and not your wrist.

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                                                                      • marlboroack
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by bossku69
                                                                        I use this one now, but problem is my pinky and ring finger hang off to right, which is where im getting some pain.

                                                                        I think i just caught your carpet tunnel, when you read that i felt the pain you just described. Now i need to go lay down cause you freaked me out. And on top of that we have the exact same fucking mouse.

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                                                                        • ArsewithClass
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                                                                          • Mar 2007
                                                                          • 7957

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by DamianJ
                                                                          How would that help Gary? What part of the body is magnetic?

                                                                          There is no medical benefit to wearing a magnet at all. It's not even a debate. There's no evidence whatsoever it does anything.

                                                                          "Magnet therapy, magnetic therapy, or magnotherapy is an alternative medicine practice involving the use of static magnetic fields. Practitioners claim that subjecting certain parts of the body to magnetostatic fields produced by permanent magnets has beneficial health effects. These claims are both physically and biologically implausible and no effects on health or healing have been established"

                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_...Magnet_therapy

                                                                          Maybe you should have stayed at school past 15 and you'd know that blood isn't magnetic.
                                                                          As usual, you put your nasty vinditive posts, only to troll me, I have carpel tunnel syndrome also, so this is actually a fact that I can state does help. I use a magnetic bracelet when my wrist and hands begin to hurt & it does help!
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                                                                          Why dont you fuck off my case Damian, you really are a complete twat


                                                                          @bossku69 Heres a mouse for carpel tunnel syndrome...
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                                                                          • V_RocKs
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by marlboroack
                                                                            I think i just caught your carpet tunnel, when you read that i felt the pain you just described. Now i need to go lay down cause you freaked me out. And on top of that we have the exact same fucking mouse.
                                                                            That is actually a symptom of pinching a nerve in your elbow.

                                                                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulnar_nerve_entrapment


                                                                            This problem is similar to carpal tunnel syndrome but involves a completely different nerve. Symptoms include a feeling of pins and needles in the ring and little fingers, and may progress to a burning pain in the wrist and hand followed by decreased sensation in the ring and little fingers. One common cause of this syndrome is from pressure of bicycle handlebars seen with avid cyclists. Another is from hard, repetitive compression against a desk surface while using a computer mouse.

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                                                                            • The Heron
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                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                              • 4496

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I've used this as my main mouse for many years now, works pretty well. Never did like trackballs
                                                                              Originally posted by AJHall
                                                                              Get a vertical mouse from http://www.evoluent.com/

                                                                              It will take 1-2 weeks to get used to and your hand will ache a bit at first as your muscles adjust but after that your symptoms should fade quickly.

                                                                              This cured what seemed like chronic RSI for me in a matter of about 4 weeks. That was 5 years ago and I've never had a problem since.

                                                                              You can buy direct from them or from Amazon.



                                                                              Good luck!

                                                                              AJ

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                                                                              • sadiedazzle
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Yes I would agree that it is the keyboard. I use a keyboard from Kenesis:
                                                                                http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/
                                                                                I also don't use a mouse anymore. I use a tablet from Wacom with a pen. Took a bit of getting used to but my problems all went away.

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                                                                                • ArsewithClass
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by ArsewithClass
                                                                                  Youre still using your nerves through the carpel tunnel

                                                                                  Bossku69, you need a simple magnetic bracelet & wrap it around your wrist... it shall help with that pins and needles and aching in the wrist
                                                                                  Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                  That is actually a symptom of pinching a nerve in your elbow.

                                                                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulnar_nerve_entrapment

                                                                                  you need more padding on wherever it is your elbow is resting...

                                                                                  As for carpal tunnel... I suggest a mouse pad with the little gel cushion so your forearm takes the weight and not your wrist.
                                                                                  Or as I said, he should or could simply try what I did, the bracelets work very well.. Whether its the relaxation of oxygen in the blood through the tunnel, I dont know.. but I feel much better if I wear mine..



                                                                                  for just 50dollar, it could stop the pain, and the bracelets look great

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                                                                                  • 2MuchMark
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Oops I forgot one. The Apple TRACKPAD has almost cured my pain too.

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                                                                                    • grumpy
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      use a stress ball to practice your hand. Chane regularly from mouse to trackball and vice versa
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                                                                                      • icymelon
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        get a new chair and desk or adjust the one you have now.
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                                                                                        • DamianJ
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by ArsewithClass
                                                                                          Or as I said, he should or could simply try what I did,
                                                                                          No he shouldn't. They don't work.

                                                                                          Originally posted by ArsewithClass
                                                                                          the bracelets work very well..
                                                                                          No they don't. They don't work at all. Find me ONE LINK with some peer-reviewed research showing they work!

                                                                                          Practitioners claim that subjecting certain parts of the body to magnetostatic fields produced by permanent magnets has beneficial health effects. These claims are both physically and biologically implausible and no effects on health or healing have been established.
                                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_therapy

                                                                                          Another
                                                                                          http://www.sillybeliefs.com/magnets.html

                                                                                          Another
                                                                                          http://askville.amazon.com/proved-Ma...estId=18999266

                                                                                          It really was worked out some time ago that it's just a scam to sell bad bracelets to people who are not very clever.


                                                                                          Originally posted by ArsewithClass
                                                                                          Whether its the relaxation of oxygen in the blood through the tunnel, I dont know..
                                                                                          How can a magnet "relax" blood? Explain the science.

                                                                                          Clue: you can't there is no science. It's cheap tat sold to idiots.

                                                                                          Originally posted by ArsewithClass
                                                                                          but I feel much better if I wear mine..
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                                                                                          Originally posted by ArsewithClass
                                                                                          for just 50dollar, it could stop the pain, and the bracelets look great
                                                                                          It won't stop the pain, I don't think you even understand what CTS is. And yes, I am sure YOU think it actually does look great.

                                                                                          That's probably the worst part.

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                                                                                          • Gonzodave
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            I've had both my Carpal Tunnels "done" years ago. Left and Right wrists.

                                                                                            The most common symptom is numbness in the fingers (not thumb) nor in the little finger. There is pain sometimes, but mainly numbness of the fingers. Surgery is the only cure for it.

                                                                                            As for RSI, which I used to get, I use a very basic Logitech corded mouse when I work. I've tried all the whizzbang mouses, but the little Logitech works best for me. I also keep my wrist flat on the desktop when using the mouse. It's just a matter of training your wrist to lay flat. No mousepad or anything fancy.

                                                                                            This way I can work 12 to 16 hours without wrist pain.

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                                                                                            • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by bossku69
                                                                                              anyone use it?

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                                                                                              • DamianJ
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                                                                                Oops I forgot one. The Apple TRACKPAD has almost cured my pain too.

                                                                                                I've been using that for a month now. Basically, since Lion, I missed the gestures when I docked (ooer) my laptop. Now with the trackpad my wrist is good and I get the gestures!

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                                                                                                • Oracle Porn
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                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 24433

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by marlboroack
                                                                                                  I think i just caught your carpet tunnel, when you read that i felt the pain you just described. Now i need to go lay down cause you freaked me out. And on top of that we have the exact same fucking mouse.
                                                                                                  I think we need to sue Logitech for building such a mouse that fucks up your hand!


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                                                                                                  • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                    • 38957

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Wank fodder WOOT WOOT!


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