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moeloubani 09-10-2011 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 18417555)
moeloubani wow your an idiot. you critise the USA so much yet here you are on a U.S. board posting freely your opinions knowing that you are 100% safe and free to do so.

that has got to be quite a special feeling yeh?

what has got to be a special feeling? freedom? does freedom mean im not allowed to criticize the US? if that's what you think then you're crazy man

and to those saying that there is racism in the middle east i agree, there is racism, and racism is NEVER justified no matter who is doing it
you'll never catch me wishing harm on anyone because of their race. that's barbaric and Mutt should be ashamed of himself for even bringing it up.

scottybuzz 09-10-2011 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18417581)
what has got to be a special feeling? freedom? does freedom mean im not allowed to criticize the US? if that's what you think then you're crazy man
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that's EXACTLY what I am saying mate. You have hit it spot on I am surprised. You are allowed to criticise the US government and that is what makes the USA such a great country.

Try criticise the majority of governments in this world and you won't be long for this world.

thats the "special feeling" I am getting at.

scottybuzz 09-10-2011 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 18417576)
Because its a US board he's not allowed to express his feelings? Last I looked we all are allowed freedom of speech.

See above. ^^

Fabien 09-10-2011 11:53 AM

I never saw the pics (or clips) of people jumping. I always stayed away from it...
Jesus Christ !
I'm so shocked, even after 10 years. I hate those fucks like you wouldn't believe (terrorists). I wanted to join the very next day, but got refused. Health problem, was good only for the kitchen (my sight suck ass) !

Anyways, i will never ever forget that day because of the tragedy of course but also because the assholes made me loose a pile, but A PILE of money (aftershock stock market) ! So when you had up everything, i could easily go where these cowards hide and track them down and hang them by THEIR BALLS no problem with that !

helterskelter808 09-10-2011 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18417362)
he's a Palestinian - what do you expect him to say? They've only had 5,000 years or whatever to get their shit together over there, how much more time should we give them?

None. It's not really the USA's business. That's part of the problem. Wasn't the business of Britain either. That's another part of the problem. Pretty hard to advance to a modern state when you have no state to begin with and have never had the opportunity to decide your own fate.

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The United States is how old? Nothing but rocks, trees, lakes, desert, plains - and in just over 200, not 2000, years look at what was produced.
You say that like the USA started out from nothing. Although it has mutated in 235 years, the USA was basically just a branch that snapped from the 'tree' of the UK, based on the same language (not even any spelling differences in 1776), same laws, same culture, same religions and customs, same education, same people basically. Not a country of existing people throwing off the shackles of a foreign oppressor (that's more aptly applied to the natives who failed, and were slaughtered) just Europeans working (and stealing) new land.

The USA, being an independent (not oppressed) European country located on another continent, benefited from all the advancements not only within the USA but in Europe and the European Empires.

People were criticising Libya which, unlike the USA which has been able to expand and exploit as much land and resources as it could over the last 235 years, has been restricted to borders arbitrarily drawn on an atlas by Europeans. Unlike the USA, it was a people oppressed and exploited and prevented from having the same self-determination that Europeans, including the ones that settled in what is now the USA, have taken for granted for centuries. Despite this it had advanced considerably in the past 40 years under Gaddafi, and is now in a new phase (if you believe the hype) of becoming "democratic". Libya is 60 years old.

Now what was so great about the USA aged 60? In 1836 it was an unimportant, relatively powerless and backward European settlement of 25 states that nobody gave a fuck about, with endemic lawlessness, violence and racism, abuse and maltreatment of native Americans, slavery not to be abolished for another three decades and the vast majority of the population unable to vote. Amazing.

The power of the USA has come about almost entirely because of its nauseating opportunism in WWII, appeasing Hitler, taking advantage of the internecine warfare that nobody does better than white people (despite the clueless shitheads who think that's an 'Arab' trait) to profiteer from the war, build up its military industrial complex, and destroy the British Empire.

Since the war the 'independent' third world was simply a chess board for the USA and USSR to fight their proxy wars. Arming, overthrowing and destabilising countries for their own ends, regardless of the consequences for those countries.

Then you blame those countries for the state they are in, as if the USA has just minded its own business for the past 60 years.

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Take a look at what's been produced in Israel in less than 100 years.
Well they produced the worst peacetime naval attack on the USA since Pearl Harbor in 1967. And ever since then have had the USA's balls in a vice, extracting billions every year from American taxpayers. All the while causing enormous problems for the USA and Americans, and tainting the USA's reputation around the world, especially the Middle East. Yes, quite an achievement.

rogueteens 11-01-2011 05:07 PM

the pictures are really sad and you do have to feel for people who only have the option to jump from such a height but, from some of the posts above it is obvious that the american public still do not understand why their govenment's foreign policy makes america hated so much.

I lived and worked in London through much of the late 80's/early 90's and got caught up in many bomb scares and the like, you guys have no idea how much life was disruped during that time due to the IRA, any parcel or even a large fast food package abandoned was enough to cause a bomb scare but everybody knows that the biggest supporters of the IRA was the americans.

Lykos 11-01-2011 05:32 PM

Sad pics indeed

garce 11-01-2011 06:16 PM

I just hope that this guy's wife and children can't recognize her husband / their father from these pics.

Nobody deserves to die like that. Absolutely terrifying.

The world changed that day. Although I'm a stereotypical pascifist Canadian, in my mind those two pics justify everything that the U.S. has done since 9/11.

You reap what you sow, and some insane bastards planted some very deep seeds. Just be thankful that the U.S. never stoop to the level of the "terrorists". (In quotes, because "insane cowards" is more accurate).

If the U.S. played by the same rules as the bat-shit insane extremists who planned 9/11, three quarters of the world would be charred and black. The United States did not change the rules - a bunch of insane Saudis did. After 9/11, America decided it wanted its ball back - and now its going to take its sweet fucking time retrieving it.

What the fuck did you think was going to happen? Did you ever actually think that the fucking United States of America would idly stand by (Oh, that's ok! Let's enter negotiations!) after a number of its citizens dove 1,200 feet to their deaths because they didn't want to die in a fire?

Now we live with the fallout and the consequences. If I was in charge when 9/11 happened, I would have done things to the world that President Bush probably never even dreamed of in his worst nightmares.

tl;dr: The U.S. didn't start this shit, but - one way or another - they're gonna finish it.

papill0n 11-01-2011 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18416790)
ugh - why did i click - the photos of people jumping have freaked me out for the 10 years since, any time 9/11 gets mentioned the images just come to me and make me weak - unimaginable horror

you'll never hear a peep from me in all these political threads about Bush and the wars - would not bother me one bit if the Middle East was nuked into oblivion. good people die every day, not going to worry about ignorant hate filled failures who have declared war on us.

wow what an idiot

50 guys launch an attack against the US so you want to wipe out the whole middle east ?

one again, wow, what a narrow minded, short sighted idiot you must be to make such a statement which ironically, although lost on most, guarantees you will be eating shit for years to come

enjoy

raymor 11-01-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by garce (Post 18530983)
I just hope that this guy's wife and children can't recognize her husband / their father from these pics.

Nobody deserves to die like that. Absolutely terrifying.

The world changed that day.
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You reap what you sow, and some insane bastards planted some very deep seeds.

If the U.S. played by the same rules as the bat-shit insane extremists who planned 9/11, three quarters of the world would be charred and black. The United States did not change the rules - a bunch of insane Saudis did. After 9/11, America decided it wanted its ball back - and now its going to take its sweet fucking time retrieving it.

What the fuck did you think was going to happen? Did you ever actually think that the fucking United States of America would idly stand by (Oh, that's ok! Let's enter negotiations!) after a number of its citizens dove 1,200 feet to their deaths because they didn't want to die in a fire?

Now we live with the fallout and the consequences. If I was in charge when 9/11 happened, I would have done things to the world that President Bush probably never even dreamed of in his worst nightmares.

tl;dr: The U.S. didn't start this shit, but - one way or another - they're gonna finish it.

Pretty friggin crazy to think they weren't awakening a giant. Then again, whiten al Quaeda attacked a US warship, the USS Cole, Clinton doesn't reasons at all. He didn't even so much as TALK tough, so maybe al Quaeda really believed they could atyack is at will. The first time they bombed the world trade center, Clinton forbade the CIA from looking into it, ordering the FBI to release nothing to the intelligence community and treat it strictly as an ordinary crime perpetrated by just a few individuals. Perhaps, given those responses, it was reasonable to think that once again we would do nothing more than put a couple of disposable terrorist foot soldiers in jail.

moeloubani 11-01-2011 08:10 PM

http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-n...srael-1.244044

Captain Kawaii 11-01-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by twistyneck (Post 18416794)
That makes two of us. Kill them all, every last one of them. Fuck them.

As long as you agree to start with the WAR PIMPS in Washington, D.C. I have no problem with what you say. Start in DC first though. Probably no need to continue after that.

Captain Kawaii 11-01-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 18416877)
http://www.thecitrusreport.com/wp-co...g.w560h384.jpg

That is a natural reaction, and it was the intended reaction which the madmen that perpetrated this horrible crime wanted. The countries they were from didn't want a war with the US.

It's important to keep in mind that the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia (15), UAE (2) Egypt (1) and Lebanon (1).

We haven't attacked any of those countries.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the Al Qaeda terrorists had a similar mindset about the U.S., as you have towards them, when they lashed out indiscriminately at civilian targets.

The human cost has been enormous in terms of injuries and deaths among combatants and non-combatants (civilians) alike, for all involved (both allies and enemies).

The money we have spent in avenging 9/11 over nearly 10 years now, has been crippling to the US economy as well. When you add up all of the costs - spending for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, creation of the massive new Dept of Homeland Security, etc, all while cutting taxes on the wealthy, it's not hard to see where much of the federal budget deficit came from.

Not everyone in the Middle East is a terrorist or even anti-USA. I would venture to say that most people in the Middle East still do not wish to have a war with the USA, even though we have been conducting combat operations in the Middle East for nearly a decade (and let's not forget Abu Ghraib, no WMDs, Rendition, Torture/Water Boarding, Guantanamo, Blackwater, and the list goes on and on).

I think it's time to move forward with beginning to stand down, and to get most of our troops home as expeditiously as possible. Many of our troops have been on multiple tours. One of my longtime neighbors has done half a dozen tours in the Middle East now, and he tells me that the troops are pretty much sick of the whole business, and they don't get much more patriotic then my neighbor - he actually volunteered for most of his tours.

We can debate about the size and composition of the troops going forward, but the important thing is to move forward smarter.

Among the primary reasons the Soviet Union collapsed is due to the huge amount of military spending on the arms race, and in fighting a decades long protracted guerilla war in Afghanistan. Let's not make that same mistake.

Give peace a chance... :)

ADG (US Navy Veteran, 6 years)

AMEN +1

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uno 11-01-2011 09:08 PM

I have home videos ranging from a few minutes to half an hour+ that friends sent me from manhattan, brooklyn and jersey city. Shit is sad and those memories will never go away, nor will the pain their families felt.


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