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09-06-2011, 10:19 PM

Canon t3i/t2i - Anyone?

Anyone here actively shooting and use the Canon t3i/t2i?

Do you like it? What are your personal complaints?

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09-06-2011, 10:23 PM

I love my T3i, it feels alot lighter than my old 300d. No complaints really, although I have only had it for a couple of months. I have only done a couple of shoots, but they were captured very nicely by this camera.

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09-07-2011, 07:29 PM

I'm surprised you're the only person here using this camera.

Strange.

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09-07-2011, 08:28 PM

I had the t1i, and now the t2i... I'm happy with it, but not so much if you plan on using it for video.

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09-07-2011, 10:34 PM

Adam.. why don't you like it for video? Most people say the t2i/t3i is really good at video.

What don't You like?

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09-10-2011, 08:12 AM

I bought a T3i that I use only for video. I bought it as a backup for our 5D Mark II, which we also only use for video. It's not quite as versatile as the 5D Mark II but it makes an excellent backup camera for our needs and would be excellent as a main camera for some other peoples needs.

One of my gripes about it is that you can not set the actual kelvin degrees for white balance. You can only use the camera presets or do a custom white balance. When I shoot video with the 5D Mark II, I like to actually dial in the kelvin degrees that I want to use.

My other issue is that the ISO settings that are offered are not as complete as the 5D Mark II. You have a small variety of ISO settings that are possible like ISO 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600 etc..etc. These ISO settings are set up as 1-stop adjustments. In the 5D Mark II, you have 1/3 adjustments, which really come in handy.

So those are my biggest issues with the Canon T3i but for the price and gorgeous video that it shoots, it's a small trade off.

I haven't shot any pictures with it yet so I can't critique that....but I've heard others talk about the picture quality and from what I understand - it's just beautiful!

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09-10-2011, 08:16 AM

I've got a T2i and it's a great camera.

Obviously the T*i series isn't in the same league as a the 7d and 5d due to having a cheap plastic body and not being full frame like the 5d is.

But throw a 28mm f1.8 with USM on it and you can shoot some great porn.

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09-10-2011, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by DeanCapture

I bought a T3i that I use only for video. I bought it as a backup for our 5D Mark II, which we also only use for video. It's not quite as versatile as the 5D Mark II but it makes an excellent backup camera for our needs and would be excellent as a main camera for some other peoples needs.

One of my gripes about it is that you can not set the actual kelvin degrees for white balance. You can only use the camera presets or do a custom white balance. When I shoot video with the 5D Mark II, I like to actually dial in the kelvin degrees that I want to use.

My other issue is that the ISO settings that are offered are not as complete as the 5D Mark II. You have a small variety of ISO settings that are possible like ISO 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600 etc..etc. These ISO settings are set up as 1-stop adjustments. In the 5D Mark II, you have 1/3 adjustments, which really come in handy.

So those are my biggest issues with the Canon T3i but for the price and gorgeous video that it shoots, it's a small trade off.

I haven't shot any pictures with it yet so I can't critique that....but I've heard others talk about the picture quality and from what I understand - it's just beautiful!

Would you happen to have any video samples taken with the t3i?

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09-10-2011, 09:48 AM

the T3i is great but you want to buy extra battery packs, video burns through it quick and it overheats after like 30min extended use. but 30min should be good for a scene. the autofocus is fixed once you start recording fyi so thats a pita

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09-10-2011, 10:00 AM

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Would you happen to have any video samples taken with the t3i?

I do have samples.... but nothing that I want to post here. Too many haters who would have a field day with their immature attacks & opinions. If this was more of a business oriented board, I'd have no problem with it. But considering what it is, I'd rather not feed the haters.

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09-10-2011, 10:25 AM

http://vimeo.com/9744624

That's with a cheap lens too.

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09-10-2011, 11:19 AM

Excellent camera.
Video color saturation and contrast is awesome.

It is not a camcorder, so you must manually focus while shooting video.
That is the main drawback IMHO

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09-10-2011, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by deancapture

i do have samples.... But nothing that i want to post here. Too many haters who would have a field day with their immature attacks & opinions. If this was more of a business oriented board, i'd have no problem with it. But considering what it is, i'd rather not feed the haters.

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09-10-2011, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by mafia_man

http://vimeo.com/9744624

That's with a cheap lens too.

that's great stuff for sure... the issue for me is shooting sex... that cam was great for long shot lock offs and pans but not so sure it will handel the riggers of sex shooting, closeups, etc and hold the focus... asa matter of fact I saw soft focus in that vid... we can say 'well it's art... ' my clients don't really want art.

had a long talk with some cinematographers about dslr and shooting vid... the reality is DSLR glass isn't up to the job of pulling focus on a video cam... yaeh yeah yeah i know you have great canon/nikon glass etc... blah blah blah.. check out the price of a pro video lens:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search...tialSearch=yes

big difference for sure

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09-10-2011, 06:09 PM

You can shoot good video on a DSLR, you just need good glass.

That video was what you can do with a really cheap lens.

This is a better example:

http://vimeo.com/15477681

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09-10-2011, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by mafia_man

You can shoot good video on a DSLR, you just need good glass.

That video was what you can do with a really cheap lens.

This is a better example:

http://vimeo.com/15477681

did you see the price of 'good' video glass?
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09-10-2011, 06:30 PM

Fantastic video.

How much will one of those with the necessary options cost you?

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09-10-2011, 06:53 PM

I shot a bit with the t3i, it was great for a price/features to see what shooting with a DSLR is like. I liked the swivel LCD screen and would recommend it over the t2i for that feature alone. I would also recommend it over some of the more expensive canon DSLRs since their sensors tend to overheat even more quickly.

I ultimately returned it, though, since the added costs of accessories, like rails and follow focus were outside what I wanted to currently spend. I am going to wait till Canon puts something out that competes with the Sony NEX system. I imagine that would be next year sometime, otherwise I will just get an NEX camera with a canon mount adapter.
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09-10-2011, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by bm bradley

did you see the price of 'good' video glass?

Bad is Bad is our first feature length movie. It was written when we were 19 and shot when we were 20. Our total budget was about $6,000. We filmed it in 18.5 days in Richmond, Virginia in the summer of 2010 using the Canon 7d (which made up a quarter of our budget alone).

$2k?

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09-10-2011, 07:21 PM

Shooting video on DSLR for a pornographer only interested in $$$ is a joke. It takes time and patience....and more time and more patience to shoot beautiful video with DSLR. It's not cheap for the set up required, it's not easy and it certainly isn't fast. I've had my 5D Mark II for a year now and have done lots of testing with it and have shot quite a few scenes with it. It's slow, cumbersome and requires me to actually *think* about what I'm doing. It's about as close as you'll ever get to actually working the way that real cinematographers work. You have to work slow, deliberate and constantly check and recheck that your focus & exposure are correct...because nothing is set on automatic.

I 'personally' know several cinematographers here in LA who are shooting a lot with 5D Mark II's and 7D bodies and what they're able to achieve, along with their color grading partners - is just astonishing. We're talking guys who shoot feature movies, TV shows and commercials for television. One of these guys is using exclusively Canon prime lenses (not zooms) and the results are fantastic.

I also know a color grader who works for one of the largest color grading companies in town and he's grading more and more 5D Mark II and 7D footage these days. I've been learning a lot from this guy about how he processes footage from these cameras to make it look more cinematic.

In the right hands...DSLR footage can be amazing. In the hands of someone who is only interested in a paycheck and/or who doesn't have a passion for doing good work ... the results can be disastrous. Basically, you'll get out of it - whatever you put in to it. For some, the time, effort and money involved are worth it. For some, it's not.

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09-11-2011, 02:37 AM

Thanks for all these great posts... really making me think about whether or not the t3i is right for me.

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09-11-2011, 04:40 AM

If you want the best of both worlds then I suggest the NEX-FS100: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S7AYpqZi2g

However if a DSLR is good enough for Phil Bloom who shot for Spielberg using one, then it's good enough for me.

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09-11-2011, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by Lace

$2k?

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09-11-2011, 05:36 AM

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If you want the best of both worlds then I suggest the NEX-FS100: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S7AYpqZi2g

However if a DSLR is good enough for Phil Bloom who shot for Spielberg using one, then it's good enough for me.

the nex fs100 has the very same issues as the dslr's.... the servos in the dslr glass can keep up with the auto focus of video demands... I checked around and the pro's using the nex fs100 are converting the cam to using video glass. 35k +/- (that is thirty five THOUSAND dollars, just in case you find the number a bit confusing) is the initial investment in the conversion and the HQ HD video glass.

now you can point out that the big shots are using these and if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for you... and then there is dean's bitter condescending comment as well... here is a reality check for you: feature $100 million, TV show $2 million, blow job video $500.

are you seeing any disparity there in the budgets? so while we all want quality product for our members we do 'NEED' to make a profit... or at least I do... I have a family to support... I'm not sure about your's and dean's financial sitiations... so if you have the budget to shoot a bj single cam with a crew... OR you want to sit back and shoot the entire scene with a 35mm 2.8... that is awesome... unfortunately my clients won't accept wide only footage and $500 isn't enough for me to hire a crew and spend 2-3 hours doing a BJ vid.

honestly I see these threads popping up every few days it seems like. I have 2 thoughts immediatly. 1. the guy lives in his mom's basement and is 14 and 2. the guy is a newb and/or not making any serious cash.

Ma dalton just invested in the nex fs100 system and I know he's going to convert to canon glass... it's going to be interesting to see what he comes up with because he has a very good and expereincced production crew... IMHO tho... he is never going to get an unedited, infocus, with closeups scene. and I hope like fuck I am so totally wrong, because if he can, that means I can. and will so jump the fuck out and buy the nex fs100 the very next fucking day.

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09-11-2011, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by bm bradley

the nex fs100 has the very same issues as the dslr's.... the servos in the dslr glass can keep up with the auto focus of video demands... I checked around and the pro's using the nex fs100 are converting the cam to using video glass. 35k +/- (that is thirty five THOUSAND dollars, just in case you find the number a bit confusing) is the initial investment in the conversion and the HQ HD video glass.

now you can point out that the big shots are using these and if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for you... and then there is dean's bitter condescending comment as well... here is a reality check for you: feature $100 million, TV show $2 million, blow job video $500.

are you seeing any disparity there in the budgets? so while we all want quality product for our members we do 'NEED' to make a profit... or at least I do... I have a family to support... I'm not sure about your's and dean's financial sitiations... so if you have the budget to shoot a bj single cam with a crew... OR you want to sit back and shoot the entire scene with a 35mm 2.8... that is awesome... unfortunately my clients won't accept wide only footage and $500 isn't enough for me to hire a crew and spend 2-3 hours doing a BJ vid.

honestly I see these threads popping up every few days it seems like. I have 2 thoughts immediatly. 1. the guy lives in his mom's basement and is 14 and 2. the guy is a newb and/or not making any serious cash.

Ma dalton just invested in the nex fs100 system and I know he's going to convert to canon glass... it's going to be interesting to see what he comes up with because he has a very good and expereincced production crew... IMHO tho... he is never going to get an unedited, infocus, with closeups scene. and I hope like fuck I am so totally wrong, because if he can, that means I can. and will so jump the fuck out and buy the nex fs100 the very next fucking day.

So what's your point? Don't bother with an DSLR unless you can afford 35k in glass?

DSLRs have changed the game. They've put what used to be really expensive cameras into the hands of mid-level consumers.

They're relatively cheap compared to what you need to spend on film cameras to get to the same level. That makes them perfect for porn.

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09-11-2011, 07:42 AM

xI have a Canon 7D. Love it. But I don't shoot porn.

Has anyone here mentioned that the Canon 7D and the 5DMKII have been used to shoot scenes and in some cases entire episodes of television shows (House, SNL) and scenes from movies (Captain America, Black Swan, just to name a few)?

So are you telling me the 7D (same video as 60D, t2i, t3i) is good enough for a motorcycle chase scene in Captain America but not good enough for the rigors of porn?

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09-11-2011, 07:49 AM

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So what's your point? Don't bother with an DSLR unless you can afford 35k in glass?

DSLRs have changed the game. They've put what used to be really expensive cameras into the hands of mid-level consumers.

They're relatively cheap compared to what you need to spend on film cameras to get to the same level. That makes them perfect for porn.

the point is know what your job is. and I agree DSLR video has changed the game. this is basically a 'porn' forum, not a 'camera' forum... as soon as you get budgets that allow single camera work on the video... well don't know of any yet... been shooting for the net since 2000, know a great many program owners and their budgets etc...

while naughty america and a few other programs have the budget to use dslr, 99% don't... BTW who do you shoot for?
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09-11-2011, 07:52 AM

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xI have a Canon 7D. Love it. But I don't shoot porn.

Has anyone here mentioned that the Canon 7D and the 5DMKII have been used to shoot scenes and in some cases entire episodes of television shows (House, SNL) and scenes from movies (Captain America, Black Swan, just to name a few)?

So are you telling me the 7D (same video as 60D, t2i, t3i) is good enough for a motorcycle chase scene in Captain America but not good enough for the rigors of porn?

read this very carefully: movie budget $100 million, TV Show budget: 2 million per show and porn.....? porn $3K down to $500... do you understand? I agree with the footage from dslr being top notch BTW... but my productions are real world based on budget.

i.e. you don't think a rolls royce is good enough to deliver pizza?

btw who do you shoot for?

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09-11-2011, 08:02 AM

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I had the t1i, and now the t2i... I'm happy with it, but not so much if you plan on using it for video.

really cause I have read and talk to people that say the t2i is as good as the 7D for video. and they used the 7D to shoot Black Swan?

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09-11-2011, 08:11 AM

Taking ones own advice might be in order here...

Originally posted by bm bradley

read this very carefully

Originally posted by Young

xI have a Canon 7D. Love it. But I don't shoot porn.

Originally posted by bm bradley

btw who do you shoot for?

II'll admit that I probably know nothing about what goes on behind the scenes of a porn shoot. Or what is needed to get each shot. I do however know DLSR's like the back of my hand and have shot non-Adult content on the 7D and 5DmkII and have pushed each to it's limits. So my comments - much like yours - were going off of personal experience.

Everyone has their own workflow. DSLR's don't work for yours. Point taken.

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09-11-2011, 08:24 AM

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$2k?

you can pick them up brand new on deals for just over £900 which is nearer $1.5k now... but thats a pretty good price to pay when looking at the quality of that film
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09-11-2011, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by DeanCapture

Shooting video on DSLR for a pornographer only interested in $$$ is a joke. It takes time and patience....and more time and more patience to shoot beautiful video with DSLR. It's not cheap for the set up required, it's not easy and it certainly isn't fast. I've had my 5D Mark II for a year now and have done lots of testing with it and have shot quite a few scenes with it. It's slow, cumbersome and requires me to actually *think* about what I'm doing. It's about as close as you'll ever get to actually working the way that real cinematographers work. You have to work slow, deliberate and constantly check and recheck that your focus & exposure are correct...because nothing is set on automatic.

I 'personally' know several cinematographers here in LA who are shooting a lot with 5D Mark II's and 7D bodies and what they're able to achieve, along with their color grading partners - is just astonishing. We're talking guys who shoot feature movies, TV shows and commercials for television. One of these guys is using exclusively Canon prime lenses (not zooms) and the results are fantastic.

I also know a color grader who works for one of the largest color grading companies in town and he's grading more and more 5D Mark II and 7D footage these days. I've been learning a lot from this guy about how he processes footage from these cameras to make it look more cinematic.

In the right hands...DSLR footage can be amazing. In the hands of someone who is only interested in a paycheck and/or who doesn't have a passion for doing good work ... the results can be disastrous. Basically, you'll get out of it - whatever you put in to it. For some, the time, effort and money involved are worth it. For some, it's not.

You mean all porn isnt story boarded out? Now when measuring marks for the focus puller. Do you measure from the tip of talent's dick to the camera or from his balls? lol

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09-11-2011, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by bm bradley

the point is know what your job is. and I agree DSLR video has changed the game. this is basically a 'porn' forum, not a 'camera' forum... as soon as you get budgets that allow single camera work on the video... well don't know of any yet... been shooting for the net since 2000, know a great many program owners and their budgets etc...

while naughty america and a few other programs have the budget to use dslr, 99% don't... BTW who do you shoot for?

I think I see your point now. Stay within your budget and DSLRs can be overkill for porn.

I agree.

And I don't shoot for anyone, I just know my cameras.

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09-11-2011, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by ArsewithClass

you can pick them up brand new on deals for just over £900 which is nearer $1.5k now... but thats a pretty good price to pay when looking at the quality of that film

Grey imports. Do yourself a favor and buy from Amazon or check Camerapricebuster.com.

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09-11-2011, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by mafia_man

Grey imports. Do yourself a favor and buy from Amazon or check Camerapricebuster.com.

It was amazon that i was getting the £900 price from
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09-11-2011, 09:44 AM

We picked up a T2i just after Christmas, then read reviews for the 60D and took it back for that one. The 60D does everything I need it to do. I think the next body I get will do video with autofocus as well as stills at a decent price point. The flip out screen is the bomb

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09-11-2011, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by ArsewithClass

It was amazon that i was getting the £900 price from

£1150 for a 7d body on Amazon.

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09-11-2011, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by mafia_man

£1150 for a 7d body on Amazon.

my bad... yes, 7d body

http://www.procamerashop.co.uk/produ...FeILtAodJjcTvw

£900 & £1069 on amazon...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-Digita...5767244&sr=1-2

£1279 with lens

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-Digita...5767244&sr=1-2

Which is still nearer the $2k mark.... Still an excellant piece of equiptment when watching that film compared to $50k that massive companies use
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09-11-2011, 11:06 AM

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http://vimeo.com/9744624

That's with a cheap lens too.

So this is out of the box.. How much would this model camera cost? I'm getting a bit confused here.

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09-11-2011, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Young

Taking ones own advice might be in order here...

II'll admit that I probably know nothing about what goes on behind the scenes of a porn shoot. Or what is needed to get each shot. I do however know DLSR's like the back of my hand and have shot non-Adult content on the 7D and 5DmkII and have pushed each to it's limits. So my comments - much like yours - were going off of personal experience.

Everyone has their own workflow. DSLR's don't work for yours. Point taken.

more like DSLR won't work for the membership base... my work flow can be adapted however the membership isn't up to speed on single camera mast/bj/sex scenes and the budgets sure aren't.

let me ask you this since you are experienced with dslr video... can you shoot an unedited scene with closeups, and wide shots and have focus at all times without shutting the camera off??? and can you do it by yourself?

if you can do that I would love you to come show me how. no doubt in my mind if you can do I can as well.

I wanted to use the nex fs100 so I hit the web, found the guys shooting with it... then called all over north America asking questions from guys shooting the camera and then called the vendors dealing with the cinematographers here in LA... because I wanted to shoot with it...

I posted the answers... it's not affordable for me at this time...
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09-11-2011, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by Diomed

So this is out of the box.. How much would this model camera cost? I'm getting a bit confused here.

The 50mm f1.8 is about $120, this is quite zoomed and can't really get up close. Especially on the cropped sensor of the T2i/3i and 7d.

The Tokina is about $550, I can't comment on it because I don't own one.

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09-11-2011, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Diomed

So this is out of the box.. How much would this model camera cost? I'm getting a bit confused here.

go to dpreview.com.... all the info you need is there
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09-12-2011, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by mafia_man

http://vimeo.com/9744624

That's with a cheap lens too.

that's with a cheap lens???

that looks GREAT!
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09-12-2011, 07:05 AM

DSLR are great for erotic, solo and x-art style porn...

For wall to wall porn ( aka gonzo) better go with a dedicated video camera

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09-12-2011, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by mafia_man

The 50mm f1.8 is about $120, this is quite zoomed and can't really get up close. Especially on the cropped sensor of the T2i/3i and 7d.

The Tokina is about $550, I can't comment on it because I don't own one.

So were looking at around $700 for the same setup? Apologies. So many different names and specs I'm a little confused.. It's like code.

The camera "out of the box" as stated in - http://vimeo.com/9744624 ,

T2i
No cc
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Canon 50mm f1.8
Tokina 12mm-24mm f4

So that's just for the lenses and addons? how much for the t2i itself?

Thanks for the info you've already given.. I was just about to buy a canon vixia, but am totally into really getting into something new and learning about it.

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09-12-2011, 05:39 PM

$600-$700 for the body.

It's not uncommon to spend a lot more on the lenses than the body.

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09-12-2011, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by mafia_man

$600-$700 for the body.

It's not uncommon to spend a lot more on the lenses than the body.

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09-12-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by bm bradley

you in LA? hit me up with an email... photo at wanton dot com

I replied in my profile. I'm from across the pond.

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09-13-2011, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by mafia_man

$600-$700 for the body.

It's not uncommon to spend a lot more on the lenses than the body.

Interesting,

so we are looking at $600-700 on the body, and another $600-700 on lenses too?

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09-13-2011, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Diomed

Interesting,

so we are looking at $600-700 on the body, and another $600-700 on lenses too?

My favorite lens is my Sigma 30mm 1.4 which only ran me about $300.

The $100 50mm Canon lens will get you pretty decent results too. Search for videos on Vimeo that utilize it. It's just that you're going to get a pretty close to first person pov out of it on the camera.

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