CyberHustler

The breed was not bred to fight, only a select few of the breed were.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
I favor pits because of they're bad rep. Knowing how you people feel about them and then looking at they're cute little faces touches my heart. I rescue them as pups from a spot in my neighborhood where I know these puppy mill guys sell them. Before the 80's it was the German Shepard that was the monster dog. The pit bull was considered a family dog back then. Along comes the media, and bam... they're considered monsters, and the assholes run out to own a monster to seem cool and dangerous and end up really turning their pit into a monster... further fueling the media and people who just want to have a complaint.

If you don't know anything about these animals from personal experience, then you can't understand why some of us gasp at the thought of people wanting to wipe them off the planet. That's such an evil thought for an animal that really just wants to be your best friend and a member of your family. Like others said, if you get rid of pits then a more dangerous breed will take it's place as a dog fighters choice, trust.

301 dog racists...

rip raster

I agree with you on the fact of what they were originally bred for, and with that said you must also know that they were bred to be compliant with people so that they would not attack the referee during a dog fight. Any dog that attacked a ref was usually destroyed.

At one time I may have agreed with you about training instinct or genetic traits out of a dog but I have seen first hand in more than one occasion that it can be done, I don't believe that it can be done with every dog but you have to look at each dog as an individual and not at the breed as a whole. I know that pits typically have a strong prey drive, mine with proper socialization and training won't even chase small animals like squirrels, birds etc. if anything he is curious as to what they are but never chases them.

You have to understand they are extremely intelligent animals mine even knows the names of my friends, if a bunch of us are sitting around and I tell him to go over and see "insert name" he will go over to see that person. He never ceases to amaze me with what he can learn and things that he picks up on his own.

rip raster

she actually is not the exception she is more like the rule, I don't personally know any pit that is agressive towards people and 90% of the ones I do know are extremely affectionate and just want to cuddle. I find it funny actually especially with the bad rap that they have. It just goes to show you what a little misinformation can do to those people that just can't think for themselves.

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the worst part about pit bulls is that their owners are never smart enough to treat them like the dangerous animal they are. (as evidenced by the number of child deaths associated with pit bulls as opposed to other breeds)
They spend all day convincing those around them how safe their dog is and then it mauls an unsuspecting face and the idiot dog owner says,"Gee, I'm sorry. its never done that before"

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OY

Bingo!

We all know there ARE responsible owners as well as breeders. The problem is with all the others, and there are tons of those.

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CyberHustler

RebelR

Bingo, rampant breeding by "Backyard Breeders", incestuous breeding has caused huge problems in many breeds. It happened to Dobermans in the 70's, Same with German Shepherds, hence bad temperaments and Hips Dysplasia. And even the Dalmation (thanks to the disney movie) suffered from temperament issues.

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BlackCrayon

people are the problem. why are so many pit owners macho asshats with tattoos and ed hardy shirts?

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Vendzilla

Mild manner dogs? Part of all dogs jobs is about security and protection. Even a toy poodle will alert you to someone in your house.

And have you ever been around a Pit Bull thats not been trained to be agressive? I have one running around the house. Worse thing he's done was drool on a house guest.

The breed is a mold, they can be shaped into any kind of pet you need.

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think about that

porno jew

yeah "the media" is the problem. they just randomly picked out some breed to demonize.

another day another half dozen pit bull horror stories the media just made up for some reason http://www.timesunion.com/local/arti...rs-2139318.php

porno jew

there is obviously something "off" about the pit bull breed. no matter how socialized and trained for some reason they randomly attack. that is why people are concerned and vote ban in their communities.

"gee i'm sorry he's such a great dog usually" doesn't bring a kids face back.

TheSquealer

To clarify, your contention is that if any pitbull attacks a child and severely maims or kills them, its because the dog has been "trained to be aggressive"? Any stats on that? Or are you just making that up up out of desperation? Animals aren't just animals and prone to animal like behavior on occasion, I guess.

Why can't you admit that sometimes they flip out and attack with lethal results?

Practically each time the owner is saying "oh my god, i don't understand why he did that, he's such a kind and gentle dog, he's just wonderful with the kids..."

Sometimes kids get killed by stray bullets
Sometimes kids get killed by drunk drivers
Sometimes kids get killed by pitbulls

No sense in denying the obvious as the foundation for your viewpoint. That can't possibly help you change opinions.

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MaDalton

why ban pitbulls as long as you dont ban weapons?

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Vendzilla

Sometimes postal workers flip out, thats why they call it going postal, you going to ban them as well?



Any dog has the capability of flipping out, if you had every raised a dog over 50lbs, you would know that, but your parents only let you play with gerbils and they wondered why they smelled bad?


Most aggressive dog I ever owned was a German Shepard, they were breed down in size and for aggression to be a guard dog, is that breed next? Get a fucking clue

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think about that

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because if you shoot someone, you go to jail. If your pit bull bites someone, you get to say you're sorry.

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Ven, you can spin any tale you want, talk about "any dog" but the stats don't back up ANY of your claims.

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MaDalton

nah, if your kid finds your loaded weapon and accidently kills himself or some other child probably no one goes to prison. just like when a kid pulls on a pitbulls tail and the dog bites in return.

but if you shoot someone on purpose you go to jail - just like when you train your dog to kill.

i am no big friend of pitbulls and similar races, even though i know one very sweet one which i doubt wouldn't ever harm anyone.

but i also think it's a hypocritical discussion

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OneHungLo

We all know that just as in humans, who we are also comes from how we were brought up (ie. Our family, our environment, our social structure, etc. as you said), BUT those STRONG temperamental characteristics that we have, they come from our genes they are inherited from our parents and relatives.

Again, I stress the fact that much of a dog's temperament relates to it's breed history and genetic inheritance.

So we will just have to agree to disagree on being able to breed genetics out of a dog.

I congratulate you on being a responsible Pit bull owner, unlike a lot of shitheads on here not being open as far as their other traits go.

Vendzilla

Thats just it, destroy a breed because of stats? You have a better chance of being incorrectly diagnosed by a doctor causing death than being attacked by a pit bull, so lets do something about that!

I love Pit Bulls

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think about that

12clicks

you find it hypocritical because you don't like guns.
Its a different culture. Its why we're the US and you're the, uh...........whatever name your country is going by this decade.

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no, you'd be wrong there too.
If people came into contact with pit bulls as often as they did with doctors, pit bulls would already be outlawed.
We get it, you lead the pitbull life. You want to defend it. However, facts and stats don't lie.
They're statistically the most dangerous dog in America by far.

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TheSquealer

No because its not a problem that needs addressing since there have only been a few incidents in the history of civilization. Besides, white trash idiots don't take sketchy, armed, postal workers to the park to potentially shoot at children.

A chihuahua doesn't severely maim and murder. That's the difference. The problem with pitbulls is their disproportionate responsibility for deaths and extreme maiming.


Ok.. "Mom".. really? What are you? 12 years old?

Not all dogs are equal. Not all dog breeds are equally capable of inflicting the same damage. Not all dog breeds are of equal temperament. Not all dog breeds are of equal intelligence. Shepherds are not and never have been bred to be thrown into a cage and fight to the death. Shepherds aren't the dog of choice for white trash idiots, punk kids and gang bangers.

If you have anymore irrational and 100% emotionally driven remarks or irrelevant comparisons or terrible analogies, let me know. I'll be happy to address them for what they are.

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czarina

I'm pro dogs and their rights, but I'm also a mom and I know the danger a pitbull represents for a child. So against my pet-loving instincts, I'd say YES, ban the breed altogether.

rip raster

I've seen a border collie rip into some kids face before, never a pit bull though. I have seen many of them licking peoples faces.

MaDalton

if you still insist on your cowboy culture, i demand that you wear a proper hat, a vest and chaps as well ;)

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OneHungLo

You're a fucking tool.

rip raster

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil...tes-in-canada/

Ontario, Canada



In 2005, Ontario passed a ban on all "pit bulls" and any dog that may appear to be a "pit bull."



Ontario officials claimed that pit bulls are "different" than other types of dogs and inflict injuries unlike other dogs. Despite the fact that there was no evidence to support this claim, a ban on "pit bulls" was enacted, and continues to be enforced in Ontario.



Ontario officials dismissed the fact that only ONE of Canada's 45 dog bite-related (since 1964) has involved a dog reported to be a "pit bull" dog.

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our culture is far more than cowboy.
That siad, I have no problem with the hat, vest, and chaps (wooley if you please)

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Vendzilla

Wait, let's do a little math here, I come into contact with pit bulls every day, if I came in contact with a doctor everyday, I would be pretty fucked up and if he's diagnosing me everyday, I'm not going to live very long


No, just figuring out your name and why you squeal, does this have anything to do with the movie deliverance?

And it seems you not only have a limited point of view, you have a limited vocabulary, go fuck your self shit for brains and get a book on phonics and not try to defend a point with a point of view that's equal to a teenager that's not had his balls drop!





Fucking listen to you retards, sounds like a bunch of angry villagers, lets get out the pitch forks and kill all the Pit Bulls, because they can be trained to protect. Same kind of mental inadequacy that drives things like, My son Johny saw an email for hairy lesbians, we need to take porn off the Internet to protect him?


Simply put, the best argument against breed bans is that they are costly and ineffective. Breed bans are often a knee-jerk reaction from politicians who want to say they are "doing something", after a highly publicized dog attack (of any breed). This is a useless exercise.

Criminals habitually break laws, so having an "illegal breed" may indeed be attractive to them and might make them want to breed and sell more "illegal dogs". If their dog is confiscated and killed, they really don't care. They will just get another one because breed bans punish the dog, not the owner.

On the other hand, law abiding responsible owners, whose dogs love people and have never done anything wrong, can see their homes invaded, often without a search warrant, and their beloved family members dragged away (in front of their children) to be killed. Not because the dogs are unstable or mean, but simply because of their breed. Meanwhile, the owners of truly dangerous dogs (of any breed) escape punishment because their breed is not targeted by legislation and therefor is believed "safe".

A 10 Lbs Pomeranian killed a baby a few years ago... Obviously a problem with that particular dog, not the breed. "The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/anim...s_angeles.html

Because of a serious lack of regulation in dog breeding, too many dogs inherit defective genes and are sold to irresponsible owners. A breed ban will not resolve the problem. This nonsense will continue with the next macho breed and will become an endless race between breed specific legislators and unscrupulous breeders.

A Pit Bull breeder was shut down last year because Pit Bulls were banned in Topeka, Kansas. All his dogs were seized and destroyed, just for being the wrong breed at the wrong place. The man now breeds and sells African Boerboels, a rare breed from the Mastiff family, completely unknown to legislators. Unlike American Pit Bull Terriers, however, who are known for their love of people, Boerboels are serious guard dogs bred specifically as protectors. An irresponsibly bred and owned Boerboel might actually be more dangerous than an irresponsibly bred and owned Pit Bull. This is what a breed ban has accomplished in Topeka...

So in light of this, what kind of message are we telling abusive and irresponsible individuals when we make the dogs pay the price for their actions?



You guys would think that you would be more open minded given what you do for a living

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think about that

porno jew

who said kill all pit bulls you retard. no one.

baddog

Vendzilla

Did you just insult John Wayne?

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think about that

Vendzilla

What happens to dogs that are illegal? Maybe ship them all to a tropical island? Are you that retarded?

Do you have problems chewing gum and walking at the same time?

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think about that

porno jew

dog prison for those still alive. make it illegal for new ones to breed.

CyberHustler

I bet a shit load of those bad pit bull stats and reports are false...

TheSquealer

It's hard to imagine that anyone that is so immature can be allowed to own a potentially dangerous animal. Really, you are hurting your own position more than you are helping it. I really didn't care about banning pitbulls as much as I am interested in the denial of what they are capable of. However, after reading so much of your irrational and immature stupidity, I am not only starting to believe pitbulls should be banned, but that we should also look at a program to sterilize stupid adults.

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Vendzilla

Wow, must have had parents from the Hitler youth, sterilize what you conceive as stupid, which is people according to you to have a different point of view.
Thats the easy way for sure since you're not intelligent enough to conceive of anything else. What a fucking moron

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think about that

CyberHustler

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well you'd HAVE to bet because the facts don't support your guesswork.

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Vendzilla

Guess you haven't heard about the economy, maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and look around.

Where's the money for this doggy prison coming from? Remember there are 4.5 million of them, seriously, do you ever think before posting?

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think about that

12clicks

a friend of mine had a pitbull jump over their 6ft. privacy wall and attack their dog.

now we can pretend it wasn't a pitbull, we can pretend "other" dogs do it too, we can even pretend the dog was provoked.

however, the facts are one thing, pretending is something else.

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porno jew

a friend of mine's pit smashed through their living room window and attacked a kid in the playground across the street. "good" pit bull's just snap and attack. it is not a media fantasy.

having a pit bull in your neighborhood is like having a munitions dump next door. something is going to go wrong one day.

Vendzilla

So because that dog attacked the other dog, we should kill all of the breed,

Funny that they tried that with the native americans in this country.

Pretty narrow minded

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think about that

Vendzilla

Conjecture and false embellishments are only proving you have limited imagination and a singular dysfunctional mental awareness toward that which you know nothing about.

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think about that

porno jew

it's an odd but true story which shaped my view on the topic. at least i don't pretend to be a sub commander and room with gangsters.

Vendzilla

You really don't have any imagination do you? I feel sorry for you. Go check your door, I think your meds just showed up

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think about that

Vendzilla

I call Bull Shit, I know you guys don't have any friends

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think about that

CyberHustler

Did the Army come in afterwards to shoot it down with a black hawk?

TheSquealer

Look you simple fucking idiot. NO ONE SAID "KILL THE BREED". These are your words. NO ONE ELSE'S

Another random and irrelevant deflection from facts and point that was made

An assertion based on your own random and irrelevant deflection of the facts and the point that was made.

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MaDalton

at least you picked the correct John Wayne

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