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Old 08-23-2011, 12:18 PM   #201
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You know that you are far more likely to be hit and killed by a piano falling in the street than by a pit bull but I bet you still walk in the street.
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Humans killed by dogs in US in 2010 - 34
Humans killed by other humans in US 2010 - 17,000

Now consider there are 78 million dogs and 310 million humans in the US.

# of deaths compared to number of dogs. 1 dog related death per 2.3 million dogs.
# of deaths compared to number of humans. 1 human related death per 18,000 humans.

a child is 500X more likely to be killed by another human than a dog.
that's a lot of deaths... the argument isn't whether they kill people or not, it is if they are dangerous or not...


My opinion has changed in recent times some what. I believed they should be disposed of for a long time, but a breeder i know made a very good point that changed my view a bit. If you outlaw them out right, to the last dog or variation that wont stop the problem. These morons who want 'fighting dogs' will just selectively choose more aggressive labs or more aggressive rotwilers or whatever they want instead.

Breeders, the real ones, use temperament as part of the selection when they choose them for breeding stock. If they get a dog in their litter that is uncontrollably snappy, aggressive or otherwise unsafe THEY DON'T BREED IT. With pitbulls they do the exact opposite. So everyone coming on here talking about owners raising them wrong, that is only a fraction of the problem. If they started taking responsibility with their breeding practices nobody would ever be on about getting rid of those dogs.

Why anyone would want a fighting dog is truly beyond me, there are so many dogs out there with amazing characteristics and abilities--even dogs that do a better job of protection!
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Breeders, the real ones, use temperament as part of the selection when they choose them for breeding stock. If they get a dog in their litter that is uncontrollably snappy, aggressive or otherwise unsafe THEY DON'T BREED IT. With pitbulls they do the exact opposite. So everyone coming on here talking about owners raising them wrong, that is only a fraction of the problem. If they started taking responsibility with their breeding practices nobody would ever be on about getting rid of those dogs.
I think you've made the better point in all this.

Its a complex problem. It's breeders. It's owners. It's sometimes just the dogs themselves.

It doesn't boil down to "my dog is great, so there is no problems at all"

or "they are murderers and should all be put to sleep or outlawed"

Denying there is a legitimate problem is stupid.
Thinking there is a simple solution that will make everyone happy is equally stupid.
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I have raised dogs all my life and have had some pretty ferocious ones. The meanest have to be the Chihuahua's those little shits will bite ankles with good behavioral training. Right now I have a Mini Dachshund that is really good but she came from a no-kill shelter and must have been abused or hurt as a puppy because she does not like dark clothed people she will go batshit crazy barking if she doesnt know you or we dont tell her we let them in.
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I think you've made the better point in all this.

Its a complex problem. It's breeders. It's owners. It's sometimes just the dogs themselves.

It doesn't boil down to "my dog is great, so there is no problems at all"

or "they are murderers and should all be put to sleep or outlawed"

Denying there is a legitimate problem is stupid.
Thinking there is a simple solution that will make everyone happy is equally stupid.
well said
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just since I saw this thread and then I read this here so I figured I'd share:

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the pit bull owners should be put to sleep.

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more people die from bicycles .. ban bicycles, cars too , oh shit and forks,, those things are crazy dangerous.

Lets just make it simple and ban stupid people.
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Pit Bulls Attack, Kill Dog In Arvada Neighborhood

Neighbors Say It's Not The First Time These Dogs Attacked

"They grabbed my dog and disemboweled him right in front of me,"
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You goofs keep proving points against yourselves lol. A responsible pit bull owner would know "pits are bred to be dog aggressive".

A responsible owner wouldn't be having to break up a fight or watch it disembowel a smaller dog.
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more people die from bicycles .. ban bicycles, cars too , oh shit and forks,, those things are crazy dangerous.

Lets just make it simple and ban stupid people.
did you read this thread at all? This isn't an argument whether they are deadly or not...

if one person dies from ketchup do you think there would not be a recall?
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if one person dies from ketchup do you think there would not be a recall?
People die from Peanuts all the time...
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You goofs keep proving points against yourselves lol. A responsible pit bull owner would know "pits are bred to be dog aggressive".

A responsible owner wouldn't be having to break up a fight or watch it disembowel a smaller dog.
so you are saying a responsible pitbull owner should keep their dogs away from other dogs completely? This is your solution? This is your argument for them being perfectly safe? This argument works with tigers too then... brilliant.
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another one of the stories that come about every day about pit bulls and their reign of terror.

NY woman severely injured by 3 pit bulls

Police in Schenectady say a woman in her 30s suffered severe injuries to her face, arms and legs when three pit bulls attacked her as she walked along a city street.

http://online.wsj.com/article/AP2018...b33139bc3.html
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so you are saying a responsible pitbull owner should keep their dogs away from other dogs completely? This is your solution? This is your argument for them being perfectly safe? This argument works with tigers too then... brilliant.
There are certain different steps you need to take with almost all different breeds of dog... not just a pit. Any responsible dog owner knows this. Yes, keep your pit away from small barking ankle biters... and on a leash when you're outside.

It's the people that want to buy a dog just to have it as an ornament... and don't want to actually step up to the responsibility of owning one that give the pit bull and many other dogs a bad name.

Do you think having 2 big dogs of any kind in your car with the window open and unrestrained in a neighborhood where small punk ass big mouthed dogs frequent is a good idea? Or do you think this is only a pit bull thing?
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the point is at some time the dogs are going to escape the yard, come off the leash, shit happens.,

and when they do, they tend to kill and maim anything they can get their teeth on.

it's not normal to have killing machines running around the neighborhood maiming little kids.
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another one of the stories that come about every day about pit bulls and their reign of terror.

NY woman severely injured by 3 pit bulls

Police in Schenectady say a woman in her 30s suffered severe injuries to her face, arms and legs when three pit bulls attacked her as she walked along a city street.

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the point is at some time the dogs are going to escape the yard, come off the leash, shit happens.

but when the dogs do they kill and maim anything they can get their teeth on.

it's not normal to have killing machines running around the neighborhood maiming little kids.
The real point is that it's not only pits... they're just the ones assholes pick the most to raise as barbarians. You're just picking and choosing only the pit articles.
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I'm speaking from personal experience with these dogs. I grew up in NYC, the dog fighting capital. Was raised to think of them as killing machines and have witness first hand MANY dog fights and wild pit bulls. As a kid I've profited from people who thought of them as dim witted killing machines.

I know that it's how you raise them. They want to please you and be what you want them to be. They beg for your authority and guidance if you're doing it right.

If you just let them raise themselves, abuse them, keep them in the yard... no socializing, etc. You're gonna have a monster. These guys are big ass energetic terriers.

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yeah my point proven. the moment an accident happens and they get out of the yard or off their leash they start maiming and killing people.

that may be normal in the ghetto but not in civilized society.
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I'm speaking from personal experience with these dogs. I grew up in NYC, the dog fighting capital. Was raised to think of them as killing machines and have witness first hand MANY dog fights and wild pit bulls. As a kid I've profited from people who thought of them as dim witted killing machines.

I know that it's how you raise them. They want to please you and be what you want them to be. They beg for your authority and guidance if you're doing it right.

If you just let them raise themselves, abuse them, keep them in the yard... no socializing, etc. You're gonna have a monster. These guys are big ass energetic terriers.
This is the problem. Again, everyone who loves pit bulls wants to say "its the owners", "you have to be responsible" and so on and so on. NEVER the dogs fault.

Ok, fine. Not the dogs fault. So if owners can be criminally negligent and cause their dog to kill and just can't accept the responsibility that goes with owning a PitBull then how is that different than owning any other thing that kills innocent people and therefore restricting it ownership/use?
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yeah my point proven. the moment an accident happens and they get out of the yard or off their leash they start maiming and killing people.

that may be normal in the ghetto but not in civilized society.
Wow... so you still think it's only pits that do this, and all pits do it. for the genius.
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we can start a thread about other dangerous dogs as well. this thread is about pit bulls and their threat to society.
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This is the problem. Again, everyone who loves pit bulls wants to say "its the owners", "you have to be responsible" and so on and so on. NEVER the dogs fault.

Ok, fine. Not the dogs fault. So if owners can be criminally negligent and cause their dog to kill and just can't accept the responsibility that goes with owning a PitBull then how is that different than owning any other thing that kills innocent people and therefore restricting it ownership/use?
Ownership of Pit Bulls should be restricted to qualified individuals who will take full responsibility for their dogs actions.
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yet another from google news today http://www.twincities.com/ci_18740399

A separate pit bull-involved attack occurred Monday afternoon in the 1100 block of Ross Avenue East. The dog, Diamond, was not at its permanent residence when it escaped and bit a man walking by on the forearm, Wiese said.

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the point is at some time the dogs are going to escape the yard, come off the leash, shit happens.,

and when they do, they tend to kill and maim anything they can get their teeth on.

it's not normal to have killing machines running around the neighborhood maiming little kids.
Well I take my pit outside all the time to shit and don't use a leash. She has killed exactly ZERO people. We also have 2 cats. Somehow a year later after getting these cats are still alive. How is that possible being around a pit bull?

I find it ironic that a jew such as yourself are for the extmerination of anything since Hitler used excuses as to why jews should be extinct.
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Ok then the same thing with guns too.
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Well I take my pit outside all the time to shit and don't use a leash. She has killed exactly ZERO people. We also have 2 cats. Somehow a year later after getting these cats are still alive. How is that possible being around a pit bull?

I find it ironic that a jew such as yourself are for the extmerination of anything since Hitler used excuses as to why jews should be extinct.
i never called for the extermination of anything. just making it illegal to own. like a rocket launcher or a dirty bomb.
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Ok then the same thing with guns too.
Similar, yes. Except if you leave a gun in the yard unattended for years it will just stay there and rust instead of turning into an angry biting machine waiting for it's opportunity to escape and take it's frustration out on a jew.

Cesar Millan trains people and rehabilitates dogs...
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pit bull owners don't kill people. the pit bulls do.
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Have you ever owned a pit bull?
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Have you ever owned a pit bull?
no. don't have a rocket launcher either.
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:35 AM   #244
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you guys talk about other dogs ok. lets check out google news for "Alaskan Malamute."

no maimings ... no children killed .... just

"Four paws up for Woofstock

The Skonesey family from Mokena decided to take its dog, Ace, a 3-year-old Alaskan Malamute, to Woofstock at the last minute.

“When we saw the ad in the paper today we’re like, ‘Let’s go!’ ” Michelle Skonesey said. “As a family we try to do stuff on Sundays. It’s a family day.”

Ace, who is trained in weight pulling and sledding, carried two of Skonesey’s daughters on a large black cart that was decorated with handmade “Woodstock 2011” signs and sparkly garland. Ace won the Most Accessorized contest."
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:40 AM   #245
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I'm personally a big supporter of the GSD(properly bred and from good lines)... however, I'm also very anti ignorance, so...


You understand that APBT and others that are "real" pit bulls(some breeders throw other shit in there for aggression and call them pits) actually have an incredibly good temperament, especially around children... correct? Up until the middle part of the 20th century, they were considered THE family dog to own. They were only aggressive towards other animals. However... they've always had a bad case of separation anxiety(because their love for humans is so strong).. so, putting them in isolation the first year of their lives will create an incredibly mean dog.

Ignorance is one thing.. ignorance with an emotional, knee-jerk reaction is even worse.

Also.. the GSD, Rott, Belgian Malinois, and Mastiff have WAY stronger bites/jaws than a pit.. pits don't have "lock jaw".. I promise you if my GSD got a hold of you, you'd have a lot more damage than if any pit did. The pit only has something like 230lbs psi of pressure on their bite... Rotts and Mastiffs are 400+.. GSD is about 290+ and BM is about 260+.

Learn some facts before you go on a crusade.
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:43 AM   #246
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you guys talk about other dogs ok. lets check out google news for "Alaskan Malamute."

no maimings ... no children killed .... just

"Four paws up for Woofstock

The Skonesey family from Mokena decided to take its dog, Ace, a 3-year-old Alaskan Malamute, to Woofstock at the last minute.

?When we saw the ad in the paper today we?re like, ?Let?s go!? ? Michelle Skonesey said. ?As a family we try to do stuff on Sundays. It?s a family day.?

Ace, who is trained in weight pulling and sledding, carried two of Skonesey?s daughters on a large black cart that was decorated with handmade ?Woodstock 2011? signs and sparkly garland. Ace won the Most Accessorized contest."
Just because the media doesn't create a bunch of hype around the dog doesn't mean it doesn't happen. 20 years ago it was the Rott/Doberman, before that the GSD... etc., etc.


On an unrelated note, a friend has a Malamute/Timberwolf hybrid and that thing is a beast. He's a K9 officer and has 2 GSD's plus this dog.. they're all super good with his kids.. too good.. nobody can get close to them except him and other kids.
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:49 AM   #247
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that's a lot of deaths... the argument isn't whether they kill people or not, it is if they are dangerous or not...


My opinion has changed in recent times some what. I believed they should be disposed of for a long time, but a breeder i know made a very good point that changed my view a bit. If you outlaw them out right, to the last dog or variation that wont stop the problem. These morons who want 'fighting dogs' will just selectively choose more aggressive labs or more aggressive rotwilers or whatever they want instead.

Breeders, the real ones, use temperament as part of the selection when they choose them for breeding stock. If they get a dog in their litter that is uncontrollably snappy, aggressive or otherwise unsafe THEY DON'T BREED IT. With pitbulls they do the exact opposite. So everyone coming on here talking about owners raising them wrong, that is only a fraction of the problem. If they started taking responsibility with their breeding practices nobody would ever be on about getting rid of those dogs.

Why anyone would want a fighting dog is truly beyond me, there are so many dogs out there with amazing characteristics and abilities--even dogs that do a better job of protection!
Well said.

And pits are not very good for protection. GSD, Rott, BM, Dobie, and certain types of Mastiffs are much more suited for the job.
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Pit bulls were responsible for 66 mauling deaths of humans between 1979 and 1998 (fatal dog attacks that involved at least one pit bull according), but Rottweilers were recorded for 37 mauling deaths mostly during the 1990s. German shepherds followed with 17, Siberian Huskies at 15, Alaskan Malamutes at 12, and Doberman pinschers with nine
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those numbers have to be way off. there were multiple pit bull maulings in the last week.
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those numbers have to be way off. there were multiple pit bull maulings in the last week.
Wow, you're funny, you say the numbers are off by siting mauling when the numbers Smokey posted reflect deaths. Have trouble with math a lot?
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