p\mpd0g

5956902 (4:20 PM) :
yes i did
5956902 (4:20 PM) :
you're billing icycle isnt on the end of the month
5956902 (4:21 PM) :
and if payment wasnt required i wouldnt be contacting you
Epic Media (4:21 PM) :
when is it? you just told me 2 days ago what my bill was
Epic Media (4:21 PM) :
we got the invoice yesterday
Epic Media (4:21 PM) :
now its already due? there is no 7 day grace perioed like a normal business?
Epic Media (4:22 PM) :
can you tell me 1 company that sends out bills on monday and requires payment on tuesday?
5956902 (4:24 PM) :
fuck it
5956902 (4:24 PM) :
dont pay me and i'll turn your feeds off
5956902 (4:24 PM) :
problem solved
5956902 (4:25 PM) :
you think i pull invoices out of my ass with whatever amount i decide on?
5956902 (4:25 PM) :
you signed up on day X
5956902 (4:25 PM) :
your billing cycle ends the day before X
Epic Media (4:26 PM) :
k
Epic Media (4:26 PM) :
turn it off
Epic Media (4:26 PM) :
ill remove them today
5956902 (4:26 PM) :
i'll be sure to make a post about you're inability to pay bills
Epic Media (4:26 PM) :
k
Epic Media (4:26 PM) :
please do
Epic Media (4:26 PM) :
lol
5956902 (4:27 PM) :
lol
5956902 (4:27 PM) :
not my fault you cant keep tabs of when you signup and give me the run around ;)
Epic Media (4:27 PM) :
thats cool man.. you are asking for payment 224 hrs after the bill is recieved
Epic Media (4:27 PM) :
ppl will laugh at you
Epic Media (4:28 PM) :
24*
5956902 (4:28 PM) :
hardly, getting paid from you is like pulling teeth
Epic Media (4:28 PM) :
ok please make a post
5956902 (4:28 PM) :
you could j ust as easly use your CC and get a cheque to pay the bill
Epic Media (4:28 PM) :
no you fucking moron, i dont pay for this out of my own account dont you get that?
Epic Media (4:28 PM) :
my company pays for it
5956902 (4:29 PM) :
lol
5956902 (4:29 PM) :
i like that
Epic Media (4:29 PM) :
please make a post this will be fun
Epic Media (4:30 PM) :
if you dont i will
5956902 (4:30 PM) :
go a head!
5956902 (4:30 PM) :
i like drama, gives me a break from encoding!
Epic Media (4:30 PM) :
you are the one threaing me todo it.. dont be a pussy, just do it.. lets see what python has to say about you
5956902 (4:30 PM) :
first off, i was nice to you last most and let your overage slip
5956902 (4:30 PM) :
didnt bother to bill you for it
Epic Media (4:30 PM) :
great stick the overage up your ass
Epic Media (4:30 PM) :
ill pay that too
Epic Media (4:30 PM) :
turn off my shit now
5956902 (4:31 PM) :
i already did my friend
Epic Media (4:31 PM) :
great
5956902 (4:31 PM) :
took enough of a loss with you trying to be a nice guy
Epic Media (4:31 PM) :
yea i know you lost big time eh?
Epic Media (4:32 PM) :
a few gigs overage that i ahvent even had time to pay yet lol
Epic Media (4:32 PM) :
please make a post that you want payment 24 hrs after the bill is sent
5956902 (4:33 PM) :
actually'' i was trying to get ahold of you since the 26th which was the invoice day
5956902 (4:33 PM) :
then you start questioning the billing cycles
Epic Media (4:33 PM) :
26th? that was 3 days ago
Epic Media (4:33 PM) :
you sent me the invoice yesterday
5956902 (4:34 PM) :
i was trying to be nice with letting you know about the invoicing and not going a head and billing you for this anyways, like we had agreed upon and you have to twist the situtation into the actually billing dates being wrontg
Epic Media (4:35 PM) :
yea yea mr nice guy lol
5956902 (4:35 PM) :
Epic Media: and btw its not even the end of the month yet
Epic Media (4:35 PM) :
great
5956902 (4:35 PM) :
we dont bill everyone on the end of the month
Epic Media (4:35 PM) :
who gives a fuck?!?!
5956902 (4:35 PM) :
you signup on the 26, you cycle starts on the 26
Epic Media (4:35 PM) :
you want payment 24hrs after the bill is recieved
5956902 (4:35 PM) :
clearly you do not understand how billing goes
Epic Media (4:35 PM) :
fuck off
5956902 (4:36 PM) :
i asked if it was sent andn whether you could make sure
5956902 (4:36 PM) :
i didnt come out and say "Send the fucking money or i turn your shit off"
Epic Media (4:36 PM) :
you asked me to make sure it was paid
5956902 (4:36 PM) :
payment is due when the billing cycle is due, if you wanted terms you should have asked for terms
Epic Media (4:36 PM) :
you dont tell a fucking customer to make sure he pays the bill 24 hrs after he gets the fucking bill
Epic Media (4:37 PM) :
you are an idiot
Epic Media (4:37 PM) :
no wonder python fired your ass
5956902 (4:37 PM) :
your right, it is oik to just issue an invoice and never follow up on it right?
Epic Media (4:37 PM) :
follow up on it yes, not 24 hrs though
Epic Media (4:37 PM) :
a few days atleast jesus chrcist
Epic Media (4:37 PM) :
good bye
5956902 (4:38 PM) :
it was, i sent it out on monday, i didnt reliaze that it took a PHD to issue payements
Epic Media (4:38 PM) :
you sent it on monday after hours, so tuesday accounting gets it, you expect them to drop everything to pay right away?
Epic Media (4:39 PM) :
fuck you
Epic Media (4:39 PM) :
pleas eplease make a post
Epic Media (4:39 PM) :
fuck it i will 1 sec
5956902 (4:39 PM) :
no but i dont think me asking you to make sure it gets paid is as big of an issue as you made it out to be
5956902 (4:39 PM) :
esp. when we're changing the billing methods
Epic Media (4:40 PM) :
i paid you every fucking time you asked me too
Epic Media (4:40 PM) :
that same god damn day
Epic Media (4:40 PM) :
who in their right mind wants to pay with a credit card on icq?
5956902 (4:40 PM) :
yeah, and with CC it is a lot easier to deal with it.. last tiime i didnt confirm/make sure the payment was received i lost out on 4k for the month because i had to wait till their next billing date
Epic Media (4:41 PM) :
its my personal card, not my business card.. we dont even have a fucking credit card for the business.. we pay paypal, check, and wire
Epic Media (4:41 PM) :
who gives a fuck if its easier for you?
Epic Media (4:41 PM) :
dont you want to keep customers?
Epic Media (4:42 PM) :
You have no idea what you are doing.. i wonder why you lost 4k? cause you are not setup properly to handle business. period.
Epic Media (4:42 PM) :
what business doesnt accept paypal, or checks?
5956902 (4:42 PM) :
actually, i didnt lose 4k it was only delayed to the next time they cut cheques
5956902 (4:42 PM) :
and that happened because i didnt follow up on it
5956902 (4:42 PM) :
so excuse me for not making the same mistake twice
Epic Media (4:42 PM) :
ahh so you do take checks eh?
Epic Media (4:43 PM) :
so why wouldnt you take a check from me?
Epic Media (4:43 PM) :
i cut checks 3-4 days after a bill is recieved
Epic Media (4:43 PM) :
unlike your other flakey customers, i pay ALL my shit on time.
Epic Media (4:43 PM) :
i spend over 10k a month on content, and you think im going to bend over for you?
Epic Media (4:44 PM) :
stick your content up your ass
5956902 (4:44 PM) :
i try to keep not so large people on CC so because they're more fly by night
5956902 (4:44 PM) :
i wasnt asking you to bend over, just to make sre that it got paid/was received
5956902 (4:44 PM) :
if you cant handle that then it isnt my problem
Epic Media (4:44 PM) :
cant handle it/
Epic Media (4:44 PM) :
?
Epic Media (4:44 PM) :
lol
Epic Media (4:44 PM) :
you are a joke
Epic Media (4:45 PM) :
you gave me less than 24 hrs to responde to the bill dude
Epic Media (4:45 PM) :
are you missing that point?!!?
5956902 (4:45 PM) :
i did not say pay me now or i turn the shit off, or pay me with in 24 hrs or no more feeds
Epic Media (4:45 PM) :
then you insult me by asking to make sure it gets paid, when i have paid you every fucking month so far?
5956902 (4:46 PM) :
does your accountant pay anyone whoo invoices her at that email address?!
Epic Media (4:46 PM) :
doesnt matter, you lost a good paying customer.. no big deal
Epic Media (4:46 PM) :
yes when she calls mew to verify it she sure does
Epic Media (4:47 PM) :
have i not paid you? was i ever late?
5956902 (4:47 PM) :
first off, wether you're a big customer or not i could really give a flying fuck
Epic Media (4:47 PM) :
did i not pay you when you asked me to with my own credit card?
5956902 (4:47 PM) :
i have big customers who i charge a lot of money and small guys, they both get treated the same
Epic Media (4:47 PM) :
yea like shit
5956902 (4:47 PM) :
if that is what you believe then that is what you believe
Epic Media (4:48 PM) :
i guess we will see
5956902 (4:48 PM) :
however, i have done everything possible to keep people happy
Epic Media (4:48 PM) :
yea like insult them?
Epic Media (4:48 PM) :
treat them like jerks?
5956902 (4:48 PM) :
so confirming that the invoice was receive/being paid is an insult to you?
Epic Media (4:48 PM) :
yea it is
Epic Media (4:49 PM) :
when you ask me to make sure it gets paid
Epic Media (4:49 PM) :
when i have a PROVEN history of paying YOU ontime
Epic Media (4:49 PM) :
then you have the balls to ask me 24hrs after the bill was recieved
Epic Media (4:49 PM) :
are you that desperate you cant give it 3-4 days?
5956902 (4:49 PM) :
you're right, i have the balls to make sure you receive your bill
Epic Media (4:50 PM) :
yep good bye.. ignored
5956902 (4:50 PM) :
buh bye

Sly_RJ

Holy shit. I better pay my hosting bill ASAP. Just got my invoice this morning...

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popcorn tonight!

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LOL.....

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p\mpd0g

Epic Media (4:50 PM) :
yep good bye.. ignored
5956902 (4:50 PM) :
buh bye
5956902 (4:51 PM) :
i was going to say fuck it but naw, we still require payment
Epic Media (4:51 PM) :
good luck getting it
5956902 (4:51 PM) :
lol
Epic Media (4:51 PM) :
it might get lost in the mail
5956902 (4:51 PM) :
see, i knew you didnt ignore me
Epic Media (4:51 PM) :
how old are you?
Epic Media (4:51 PM) :
like 18-19?
5956902 (4:51 PM) :
15
Epic Media (4:51 PM) :
figured
5956902 (5:07 PM) :
anyways, sorry it didnt work out
Epic Media (5:07 PM) :
you are sorry thats forsure
Epic Media (5:08 PM) :
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=103434
Epic Media (5:08 PM) :
knock yourself out
Epic Media (5:08 PM) :
idiot
5956902 (5:08 PM) :
lol
5956902 (5:08 PM) :
least you could have done is post the entire log
5956902 (5:08 PM) :
lo
Epic Media (5:08 PM) :
go ahead post the rest, i already posted when you started talking more shit
Epic Media (5:09 PM) :
here i will do it

notjoe

What he didnt show you was what lead up to this, lemme post those lines:

5956902: Can you make sure your accountant sends out payment to us please
Session Close (Epic Media): Wed Jan 29 08:05:49 2003


Session Start (ICQ - 5956902:Epic Media): Wed Jan 29 13:50:56 2003
Epic Media: did you send her an invoice?
Epic Media: and btw its not even the end of the month yet
Epic Media: and you already saying payment is due?
Epic Media: ?
5956902: yes i did
5956902: you're billing icycle isnt on the end of the month
5956902: and if payment wasnt required i wouldnt be contacting you
Epic Media: when is it? you just told me 2 days ago what my bill was
Epic Media: we got the invoice yesterday
Epic Media: now its already due? there is no 7 day grace perioed like a normal business?
Epic Media: can you tell me 1 company that sends out bills on monday and requires payment on tuesday?

So, lets see..

Not only do i not charge this guy for overage bandwidth used for last month, being the nice guy i am, but when i try to confirm the bill is going to be paid/they got the invoice he loses it like a crackwhore!.

And i Quote!

"5956902: so confirming that the invoice was receive/being paid is an insult to you?
Epic Media: yea it is
Epic Media: when you ask me to make sure it gets paid
Epic Media: when i have a PROVEN history of paying YOU ontime
"

I never knew confirming someone has received an invoice/is going to pay it after we switch the billing methods was a real insult! Yes, i never did have a problem with you paying your bills but im sure everyone will agree that $100/month is not much money at all to pay.

p\mpd0g

you can turn this around how ever you wish.
bottom line:
I have paid you on time every time for the last 4 months.

You ask me to make sure it gets paid 24 hrs after i get the bill.

you threaten to turn my shit off if i dont pay.. which was uncalled for since i have proven to you that i have paid in the past.

yes, you floated me ona few extra gigs last month, please make another invoice for the overage last month and it will be paid.

you only take credit card. What business only takes credit cards?

Sly_RJ

This is over $100?

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p\mpd0g

its actually around 300..
which will be paid by me in a day or two when accounting gets to it.

the money isnt the issue.. its his poor lack of business skills that blows me away.

notjoe

I never threatened to turn your ushit off my friend, lemme quote another sniplet from the logs.

"Epic Media: when is it? you just told me 2 days ago what my bill was
Epic Media: we got the invoice yesterday
Epic Media: now its already due? there is no 7 day grace perioed like a normal business?
Epic Media: can you tell me 1 company that sends out bills on monday and requires payment on tuesday?
5956902: fuck it
5956902: dont pay me and i'll turn your feeds off
5956902: problem solved
5956902: you think i pull invoices out of my ass with whatever amount i decide on?
5956902: you signed up on day X
5956902: your billing cycle ends the day before X
"

So in 4 months time of using our service you dont know when your billing date is? you need to pay closer attention to your biz.


I asked to confirm you guys got the invoice and were going to pay it. i didnt ask for all your drama along with it. If yo u had a problem with the billing cycle shouldnt you have brought it up sooner?

notjoe

actuallly your bill was 382, But it seems like you never got the invoice since you dont know the exact amount. Now you see why i confirm billing/invoicing?

DohMah

shit. gotta pay my bills now. just got them in the mailbox this morning. otherwise they will turn everything off like gas, electricity, water, cable etc. oh...any some of them called me this afternoon to confirm that if the bill is recieved and paid.

p\mpd0g

ahhh i see ok.. now we are getting somewhere.

so when the cycle ends on the 26th, the bill is due on the 26th?

hrm..

when i get my at&t bill, they have never shut me off if it wasnt paid that same day.
hrm.. when i get my cable bill, and it isnt paid that same day.. they never shut my cable offf.

hrm.. when i pay for my plugins with hotcamera,webmasterparadise,videosecrets etc etc etc.. and it isnt paid the same day, they never turn my feeds off..

hrm.

notjoe

This isnt about the $ involved. This is about or friend pimpdog flying off the handle as a s imple request to make sure a invoiced is received paid due to new billing.

You honestly expect me to email someone requesting a bill be paid when they've never heard of me, then i need to trust your internall communication skills that the information will be relayed?

Running a business that will is a sure cause of failure. In the world of business you need to stay ontop of all aspects of your game.

p\mpd0g

you are 100% correct. I never saw the invoice cause you sent it to my accountant you stupid little kid.

Sly_RJ

Who in the hell knows the exact amounts of their bills?

I've been paying my electric bill on time for 18 months. I haven't the slightest idea what the average is or what my bill last week was. Why should I? I look, write check, taken care of.

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notjoe

Actually, the 26 to the 25 of the following month is your billing cycle. Usually people expect payments when invoices are issued. I didnt demand you pay me right away but if you were going to give me a hard time like you are now then fuck it and i could do without your biz.


I understand you didnt want to use your CC and we made agreements to accept payments otherwise so that we could keep you happy (fuck, i even signed up to paypal).

Yes, i am at fault for making sure than the new billing goes smoothly. Sorry for wanting to run a tight, smooth ship!

p\mpd0g

you are crazy.

p\mpd0g

you have much to learn young grasshoppa

FlyingIguana

5956902: fuck it
5956902: dont pay me and i'll turn your feeds off
5956902: problem solved

that looks like a threat to me

UncleJimmy

Shit I think even American Express lets you pay the shit at the end of the month...following that is.

;)

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Not to be a dick, because I think you're both acting like retards over $300...

But most invoices aren't due upon receipt, notjoe.

It depends on the company, and companies are free to set whatever payment terms they want (payment on reciept, net 10, net 30, 2%10N30, etc), but most places give you X amount of days to pay the invoice.

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This is weird. Can anyone summarize?

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p\mpd0g

Until he threatend to turn my shit off, I was being very reasonable.. I simply questioned his billing method, and he flipped out..
not much i can do about it.. he runs the show there.

notjoe

Terms were not talked about but they're possible. All i wanted to do was was make sure he got the invoice and it was going to be paid (no issues with it).

If he has an issue like he said he did he should have said so when i ICQ'd him the invoice the first time.

p\mpd0g

Why would i have an issue with an invoice? I have an issue with you hounding me for payment 24hrs after its recieved.

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Kimmykim

notjoe, if you are so worried about being screwed, have you ever considered prepayment to you? i realize it wouldn't cover the overages but you could at least bill on prepay for the estimated...

this is just childish.

Muff

Agreed. Why would you bring this to the boards? He has every right to invoice you and enquire about it especially providing and upfront service.

Pimpdog you just lost a great feed...

notjoe

5956902: Can you make sure your accountant sends out payment to us please
Session Close (Epic Media): Wed Jan 29 08:05:49 2003


Session Start (ICQ - 5956902:Epic Media): Wed Jan 29 13:50:56 2003
Epic Media: did you send her an invoice?
Epic Media: and btw its not even the end of the month yet
Epic Media: and you already saying payment is due?


What does the end of the month have to do with the price of rice in China? if you had signed up on the end of the month then that would be when your billing cycle would end.

If you assumed that you had to the end of the month to pay then you could have just asked if you had to the end of the month to pay. I really couldnt care when you would have paid the invoice as long as you could have atleast confirmed receiving.

As for when the payment is due, it is due upon receipt of the bill and the sooner the better although i have never harrassed anyone unless they owed a couple months worth of service.

Why would i let someone go that far without paying? To be honest i am too nice. I tend to believe that people do fall upon hard times (atleast some of the smaller guys) and that sometimes they do need a break or two and i like to try and help out if i can, because someone has given me a break back then i would have been where i am today but only sooner.


I've even given some of the smaller guys free service for the month because they didnt use much bandwidth because they're just starting.

But yes you are right, i am the worlds biggest asshole and my video feeds are of the worst quality you've ever seen on the internet!

p\mpd0g

1st of all.. it is not great content.. it loads slow as shit... The content is fine, but the server its on is dead.

Where did i say he didnt have a right to invoice me?

He has no sense at all telling me to make sure the bill is paid 24hrs after i get the bill.
especially after i have been paying him for 4 months prior ONTIME.

p\mpd0g

you are sid stepping the issue here.

Have i ever been late with you more than 24 hrs? no.
Did i have a problem with WHEN the bill was givin to me? no.
Did you contact me 24 hrsa after the invoice was sent and asked me to make sure it got paid? yes.
Is it myfault you dont take wires, or paypal, or checks? no.


you can run your business anyway you want.. you just lost a good paying customer.period.

gothweb

Expecting 24 hour turnaround on billing is weird. I'm not sure who brought this to the boards first, but I am even less clear why.

What it all comes down to is that people in this industry don't know how business works. It reminds me of the wild west-- people ignore the old rules and standards, and do it their own, rough way.

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p\mpd0g

can you please point out 1 single company that requires payment to be made the day you get the invoice?

maybe i am missing something here.. but most if not ALL companies have an accounting dept.. that do more than pay attention to one single biller.. they do other things like make 1099's, pay OTHER bills, eat lunch, organize the books, etc etc etc.. Should my accountant be expected to drop everything and read their email and immediately make a check for the bill?

notjoe

Have i ever demanded payement before?
Have i ever threatened to kill the feeds on your site before?

I do believe i even waited for a payment while you got your new credit card and i didnt bother you for a while until a few weeks went by and you had not contacted me yet with information to bill you.

Looking back into our logs i would like to take some sniplets out

Session Start (ICQ - 5956902:Epic Media): Wed Sep 18 09:42:43 2002
Epic Media: yep works
Epic Media: 1-dream.com is using it now
5956902: cool
5956902: you can link to each dvd directly if you want as well
Epic Media: ok looks good can those pages be customixed at all?
Epic Media: the problem i see right now is that i have headers and i open the feeds up in a frame and your link to quicktime download is hidden
5956902: not yet, maybe that will be something i add in the future though
Epic Media: but there is a huge empty space on the side to the right for stuff togo
5956902: ah, well, you can pop the window up intoa a smaller window
5956902: but as it is now, i cant do that just yet
Epic Media: ok np i will add something on my side to offer the link no biggie
Epic Media: so how do i pay you?
5956902: is CC good with you?
Epic Media: yeah
5956902: feel comfortable giving it on here or would you rather fax it in to me?
Epic Media: i can do it here just dont do anything that will make me fly to canada and kill m you deal?
Epic Media: -m
5956902: lol



Session Start (ICQ - 5956902:Epic Media): Thu Nov 28 16:59:19 2002
5956902: hey trey
Epic Media: hey
5956902: i wanted to put up a testimonials page on hosted content and i was wondering if there is anything you could say
about the service/videos we've provided you with so far
5956902: also, your cc expired and i need the new one ;)
Epic Media: i msgd you a week ago i think and asked to transfer the payment to my company
5956902: does your company have a CC we can bill you for?
Epic Media: im not sure.. we just formed it.. and are waiitng on a tax id.. is CC the only method of payment?
5956902: its the perferred, cashing cheques takes a while in canada and kid of perfer to go with CC's
5956902: kid=kind
Session Close (Epic Media): Thu Nov 28 17:06:06 2002


Session Start (ICQ - 5956902:Epic Media): Thu Nov 28 17:06:36 2002
Epic Media: alright.. send me an invoice, and i will take care of it personally now.. then submit the recipt to my company for them to reimbure me
Epic Media: ill send you my cc info for this bill
Session Close (Epic Media): Thu Nov 28 17:19:58 2002


Session Start (ICQ - 5956902:Epic Media): Thu Dec 12 13:56:05 2002
Epic Media: yo
5956902: hey
Epic Media: i still need to pay you for the content.. also i need to add a domain
Epic Media: let me call my office and see if we have a business credit card
5956902: sure
Epic Media: credit card is the only form of payment?
Epic Media: no check wire ?
Epic Media: paypal?
5956902: not yet
5956902: soon though
Epic Media: we dont have a business credit card.. what do you suggest?
5956902: i cant use yours anymore and you can get them to fefund?
5956902: right now it is too much to track cheques for u
5956902: s
Epic Media: i canceled my old card cause it was being abused by another provider
Epic Media: one sec
5956902: i can assure you it wont happen with



Proof is right here you dont take care of shit so dont come on here and fucking talk shit about me.

Muff

I can't think of one... Nor do I care to.

My point was why bring it to the boards?

DrewKole

I pay up front for hosting

jimmyf

notjoe, a little advice... You need 2 hone up on your business skills or have someone else handle your collections. if you have forgotten you are dealing in a ** SERVICE **

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p\mpd0g

and this proves what?

all you are showing here is that I was in the middle of switching everything over to a new company.. and i no longer wnated to pay for it out of my own pocket? do you not understand that?

trey hickey doesnt own hahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahaha llc owns it. understand?

if anything your little copy and paste from the logs shows, is the fact that i tried to pay you several ways.. and your little credit card bullshit isnt a normal way to provide payment.. MOST places have checks and paypal or wires.. but you insisted on a credit card...

get a grip, and catch up with the times man.. you are not setup todo proper business at all.

funkmaster

... I pay upfront one year with cavecreek ... every year ...

Mutt

if you pay him pimpdog take off $100 for the unlicensed content notjoe was using on his feeds. all customers should do the same.

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Oh?

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p\mpd0g

he uses unlicensed content?

jimmyf

I think there was a big pissing match about this... on this board... I could be wrong... I kind of recall Mutt bring something up...

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Mutt

here is what Jeff Steward the owner of one of the more successful video companies, JM Productions, multiple AVN winner, had to say in another thread about notjoe.

this guy joe from hosted content is one dumb asshole.legend does not own,nor has ever owned any of my productions.hosted content has been illeagly streaming my contect and they have been caught.i have never sold any content to anyone,so if you ever see any j.m. productions photos or m-pegs on any site other than jerkoffzone.com it has been stolen.be carefull who you deal with,because you may find yourself getting sued.your best bet is to go to the sourse direct.


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