Hey Pimproll, why are my signups now $0.00?

[alias]

Id: pimp5599

[PR_Dave]

Someone will look into it......

www.pornosells.com is our support board. We also have icq support and an email ticket system.

[PR_Dave]

If you are sending to revshare or the sales came from pre-paid gift cards which default to revshare then 65% of $0 is $0.00

[alias]

I was sending to pps.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by alias

I was sending to pps.

the sales were from prepaid credit cards, which as Dave said, pay 65% revshare automatically.

[alias]

Funny how all my sales started coming from gift cards recently, these stats are from before Glen told me about the "gift card" policy and my links were pps:



I didn't sweat it and switched the porn.com to % but not watch porn.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by alias

Funny how all my sales started coming from gift cards recently, these stats are from before Glen told me about the "gift card" policy and my links were pps:



I didn't sweat it and switched the porn.com to % but not watch porn.

[alias]

I won't be bothering with pimproll in the future, there are plenty of good programs that pay fairly.

It is important to let other hard working webmasters know how my account was treated and to beware of the "gift cards".

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by alias

Id: pimp5599

If you click on the partnership details tab, you will see that the customer upgraded to a full membership ($9.95) 10 mins after joining, (the product kicks ass and has a huge upgrade %age) for which you were given $6.50. You can actually see the revenue for this accounted for in your screenshot in the "total" column. however details of rebills do not show on the overall page, you have to click the partnership tab to see the # of rebills.

this sale was from an offer we presented to the customer, and not even from a site you promote, so it's pretty nice that you are able to get a 1 in 3 ratio out of that. Unfortunately we can't allow you to have $35 for a sale coming from a $25 gift card that there is no chance of rebilling.

on the flip side, congratulations on your excellent ratios, 1 in 254 at schoolgirl internal and and incredible 1 in 3 at watch porn, which you don't even promote!

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by alias

I won't be bothering with pimproll in the future, there are plenty of good programs that pay fairly.

It is important to let other hard working webmasters know how my account was treated and to beware of the "gift cards".

please explain how you think you were treated unfairly

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by PR_Phil

on the flip side, congratulations on your excellent ratios, 1 in 254 at schoolgirl internal and and incredible 1 in 3 at watch porn, which you don't even promote!

amazing how he got 8 join hits on only 3 uniques. One of them is off.

[alias]

Originally Posted by PR_Phil

If you click on the partnership details tab, you will see that the customer upgraded to a full membership ($9.95) 10 mins after joining, (the product kicks ass and has a huge upgrade %age) for which you were given $6.50. You can actually see the revenue for this accounted for in your screenshot in the "total" column. however details of rebills do not show on the overall page, you have to click the partnership tab to see the # of rebills.

this sale was from an offer we presented to the customer, and not even from a site you promote, so it's pretty nice that you are able to get a 1 in 3 ratio out of that. Unfortunately we can't allow you to have $35 for a sale coming from a $25 gift card that there is no chance of rebilling.

on the flip side, congratulations on your excellent ratios, 1 in 254 at schoolgirl internal and and incredible 1 in 3 at watch porn, which you don't even promote!

Take a look at July, when nearly every sale turned out to be a gift card:



Before that everything was fine and all my sales were paid normally, strange how I had a sudden influx of prepaid cards. These same customers buy memberships without issue elsewhere.

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by GatorB

amazing how he got 8 join hits on only 3 uniques. One of them is off.

you see, it is possible for people to view the join page more than once, there is no tracking issue, but I appreciate your effort

[MetaMan]

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by alias

Take a look at July, when nearly every sale turned out to be a gift card:



Before that everything was fine and all my sales were paid normally, strange how I had a sudden influx of prepaid cards. These same customers buy memberships without issue elsewhere.

http://www.businessinsider.com/prepa...in-2012-2011-6

unfortunately growth in use of pre paid gift cards is virtually exponential right now, wish I could change the market for you.

[alias]

Cool story bro.

[edgeprod]

I have to say --- if you think PimpRoll is doing something shady here, I'd bet my left nut that they aren't. That just isn't how they roll.

And, honestly, it's making YOU look sketchy the longer you carry this out.

[PR_Dave]

We know our competitors that are using a specific "gateway" have no way to detect if the card is a real Visa or a giftcard. These are the same programs that will close up shop with the owner of the program scratching their heads as to why their retention disappeared.

If there are better programs out there, make the switch we appreciate your past biz and the door is still open when you decide to come back.

[alias]

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

We know our competitors that are using a specific "gateway" have no way to detect if the card is a real Visa or a giftcard. These are the same programs that will close up shop with the owner of the program scratching their heads as to why their retention disappeared.

If there are better programs out there, make the switch we appreciate your past biz and the door is still open when you decide to come back.

Dave, is this a new system that you have in place for the detection of pre-paid? Since about July?

Prior to July as I mentioned above I had no issues, nothing has changed as far as traffic sources. The posts shown in the referring urls above rank for terms related to Miley Cyrus porn.

I want to continue promoting you guys but in this case as you can see it is not very profitable.

[PR_Dave]

It's not a system in that sense, our gateway (Merchant Billing) sends us the info.

Use of prepaid cards across their other clients, mostly cams and dating have also seen this increase. Both of those industries of course are mainly revshare so it is not that in your face like it is on PPS.

If you can take advantage of other programs that haven't figured out they are paying $40 PPS on $10 giftcards go for it. Just means less competition for us down the road

[MetaMan]

Alias, i would normally like to cuss out the entire pimproll staff but only a complete idiot webmaster would offer PPS on a pre paid card.

If the card has a budget of say $25 and the payout is say $45 for PPS. how do you think the program is supposed to make up the difference?

The entire point of PPS is a program believing the user will recur or of course how others do it bang the cards. If they can't do either how are they supposed to make up the payment difference?

[proton]

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

If you can take advantage of other programs that haven't figured out they are paying $40 PPS on $10 giftcards go for it. Just means less competition for us down the road

[roly]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Alias, i would normally like to cuss out the entire pimproll staff but only a complete idiot webmaster would offer PPS on a pre paid card.

If the card has a budget of say $25 and the payout is say $45 for PPS. how do you think the program is supposed to make up the difference?

The entire point of PPS is a program believing the user will recur or of course how others do it bang the cards. If they can't do either how are they supposed to make up the payment difference?

i think he's more shocked at the proportion of sales they say are prepaid cc's.

[Agent 488]

doubtful pr has to squeeze webmaster's like that. explanation makes sense.

[KillerK]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Alias, i would normally like to cuss out the entire pimproll staff but only a complete idiot webmaster would offer PPS on a pre paid card.

If the card has a budget of say $25 and the payout is say $45 for PPS. how do you think the program is supposed to make up the difference?

The entire point of PPS is a program believing the user will recur or of course how others do it bang the cards. If they can't do either how are they supposed to make up the payment difference?

So that means the surfer who used the gift card, will not be using a gift card or other credit card in the future right? When his month/week whatever is over.

Or does that mean the webmaster also gets credit for that sale. I'm guessing no.

Or what about them mailing him other porn sites, or upsells or xsales to other shit inside the member area or via email?

Seems like this is another way to steal from webmasters, sorta like what a lot of sponsors were/are doing with mobile traffic.

[alias]

Originally Posted by roly

i think he's more shocked at the proportion of sales they say are prepaid cc's.

Exactly, seemed like a lot is all. No one likes seeing 0.00 signups or 0.72, it gets old quick.

[BIGTYMER]

Wish my merchant accounts could tell gift cards from real cards...

[RyuLion]

So affiliates don't get credit/commission for Card gift cards?

[DatePoster]

Does this apply to prepaid debit cards and users using checks online?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by KillerK

So that means the surfer who used the gift card, will not be using a gift card or other credit card in the future right? When his month/week whatever is over.

Or does that mean the webmaster also gets credit for that sale. I'm guessing no.

Or what about them mailing him other porn sites, or upsells or xsales to other shit inside the member area or via email?

Seems like this is another way to steal from webmasters, sorta like what a lot of sponsors were/are doing with mobile traffic.

our revshare program payout 65% of all sales, including any xsales or upgrades... not to mention 25% of any cam or toy sales as well..

how is that stealing from the webmaster exactly?

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by KillerK

So that means the surfer who used the gift card, will not be using a gift card or other credit card in the future right? When his month/week whatever is over.

Or does that mean the webmaster also gets credit for that sale. I'm guessing no.

Or what about them mailing him other porn sites, or upsells or xsales to other shit inside the member area or via email?

Seems like this is another way to steal from webmasters, sorta like what a lot of sponsors were/are doing with mobile traffic.

its retention. they are auto signed up for rebilling. why would you take the risk and "hope" they signup for the next month? that is just being a bad businessman.

for that it should be revshare. unless the owner is completely clueless.

of course they can mail the user other offers. but so can the person, you have to get creative in the way you market. what is stopping you from running your own mailing lists?

sounds like another excuse how webmasters want their cake and eat it to.

business wise the pre paid deal makes sense.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Wish my merchant accounts could tell gift cards from real cards...

you can.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

So affiliates don't get credit/commission for Card gift cards?

they go to revshare.

[DatePoster]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

The entire point of PPS is a program believing the user will recur or of course how others do it bang the cards. If they can't do either how are they supposed to make up the payment difference?

What does bang the cards mean?

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by Roald

they go to revshare.

Sent you an email.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

you can.

How? I'm with HSBC/AuthNet.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

How? I'm with HSBC/AuthNet.

gift cards and pre paid cards have a certain string of numbers to them. i forget exactly what its called id have to research it again.

but you ask your merchant to block certain ranges of numbers. there is also companies that update a list of the range of numbers. id have to find it, for some reason i cant think of the name hmmmm.

it can be done, sorry i cant be of more help off the top of my head.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by alias

Funny how all my sales started coming from gift cards recently, these stats are from before Glen told me about the "gift card" policy and my links were pps:



I didn't sweat it and switched the porn.com to % but not watch porn.

I think that is one of the real questions which should be asked. Did they communicate the policy change on gift cards to affiliates prior to putting it in place?

I sent Pimproll 2600 raws this year according to their stats. No sales but over 400 join hits. Now that isn't not that bad considering it is just remnant links but I think it's been three or four years since I made a PR sale. It's a little strange considering I usually get a sale every now and then with other sponsors from links right next to it. We're probably talking 20,000 raws. It's certainly possible but I've always seen it as an odd sort of statistical anomaly. I could never figure out why it was happening. I quit sending them traffic long ago when I was seeing 1:6,000 ratios in a time when 1:1,000 was common for me. I'm not saying that they shave but I am stating my experiences with them and that they did not work out for me. I really should spend a day knocking out those remaining links which go to them. Each year I make it a little less but I'm still basically sending them free traffic.

[babymaker]

Pimproll rocks! And Schoolgirl internal, waiting on the new updates...grr. I am about to swtich to a prepaid card system and get rid of my bank, now that I found a great check cashing place that actually cashes checks still, every bank I have used over the past few years is insane with overdrafts, their online banking sux, they show everything cleared and no pending and you then get a fee of theirs for $1.00 or so and then they hit you with a $35 overdraft and then you get another 1 fee and another overdraft it's bs I am done and can't wait to see them all burn on cnbc FUCK BOA FUCK WELLS/WACHOVIA FUCK COMMERCE RIP FUCK TDBANK THEY ALL SUCK! get your bs fees somewhere else

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Pimproll rocks! And Schoolgirl internal, waiting on the new updates...grr. I am about to swtich to a prepaid card system and get rid of my bank, now that I found a great check cashing place that actually cashes checks still, every bank I have used over the past few years is insane with overdrafts, their online banking sux, they show everything cleared and no pending and you then get a fee of theirs for $1.00 or so and then they hit you with a $35 overdraft and then you get another 1 fee and another overdraft it's bs I am done and can't wait to see them all burn on cnbc FUCK BOA FUCK WELLS/WACHOVIA FUCK COMMERCE RIP FUCK TDBANK THEY ALL SUCK! get your bs fees somewhere else

You inadvertently bring up a significant issue. More people now are bankless and they are using those prepaid cards. Rev share isn't quite the same deal it used to be unless the sponsor is using long term cookie tracking and/or consumer-affiliate linking based on email addresses or such. How many of these people with prepaid cards will join once, cancel, then come back next month or in a few months? The affiliate often is getting nothing but the initial.

It seems to me it isn't the affiliate who wants their cake and to eat it too but it is the sponsor. An affiliate used to be able to choose PPS to not have to worry about this situation since they would be compensated up front at a flat rate. But now those prepaid cards are rev share only which means the join-cancel-join again in two months cycle is all the more likely. If a company wants to be ethical in doing this then they need to match the customer's email and/or address to the affiliate whereby if the customer comes back within a year or whatever the affiliate still gets their cut. Fair is fair.

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by KillerK

So that means the surfer who used the gift card, will not be using a gift card or other credit card in the future right? When his month/week whatever is over.

Or does that mean the webmaster also gets credit for that sale. I'm guessing no.

Or what about them mailing him other porn sites, or upsells or xsales to other shit inside the member area or via email?

Seems like this is another way to steal from webmasters, sorta like what a lot of sponsors were/are doing with mobile traffic.

PimpRoll does not mail members and has not in over 7 years, not current members, and not past members.

Our rev share gives credit for everything we charge for, x sales and cams included, and we do not do upsells.

we are not in the business of ripping customers off, we charge less than almost everyone, our cross sale is low cost and we leave the customers alone.

If you want to get $50 for a sale that will never make it back, I can suggest some programs that are notorious for banging cards that would be happy to overpay for their joins. However any customer you send them, will never spend money online again, or liek the masses will go out and buy a pre paid card that does not support recurring billing

[MaDalton]

when more and more people use $10 or $25 gift cards, you can thank those with the 2 hidden x-sales, impossible to cancel memberships or suddenly re-appearing billings...


edit: what Phil said...

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

when more and more people use $10 or $25 gift cards, you can thank those with the 2 hidden x-sales, impossible to cancel memberships or suddenly re-appearing billings...


edit: what Phil said...

Good point.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by PR_Phil

PimpRoll does not mail members and has not in over 7 years, not current members, and not past members.

Well that's complete idiocy right there. Mass amounts of money left on the table or what? LOL

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I think that is one of the real questions which should be asked. Did they communicate the policy change on gift cards to affiliates prior to putting it in place?

I sent Pimproll 2600 raws this year according to their stats. No sales but over 400 join hits. Now that isn't not that bad considering it is just remnant links but I think it's been three or four years since I made a PR sale. It's a little strange considering I usually get a sale every now and then with other sponsors from links right next to it. We're probably talking 20,000 raws. It's certainly possible but I've always seen it as an odd sort of statistical anomaly. I could never figure out why it was happening. I quit sending them traffic long ago when I was seeing 1:6,000 ratios in a time when 1:1,000 was common for me. I'm not saying that they shave but I am stating my experiences with them and that they did not work out for me. I really should spend a day knocking out those remaining links which go to them. Each year I make it a little less but I'm still basically sending them free traffic.

tell me what sites you are sending to, maybe they are old sites that don't convert like they used to, maybe we have better sites with the same niche that do better. Some niches do better than others, that is a fact with any program.

Either way, what would we gain from stealing from our webmasters? We'd lose more business and sales overall if we did shit like that.

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Well that's complete idiocy right there. Mass amounts of money left on the table or what? LOL

I'm sitting in the same office I have sat in for 10 years, running the same program I have run for 10 years, the 2011 progressive affiliate program of the year, and the 2010 affiliate program of the year. We've paid over $50 million to webmasters in that time frame and are as profitable as we have ever been, I've watched the majority of our competitors bow out of the game entirely, I don't think I need you to tell me what idiocy is.

[Jakez]

I'd say this happens to about 10% of my pimproll sales. Are you sure it's not just your traffic?

[CurrentlySober]

Kinda funny in a way... I made a thread about 3 weeks ago...

I had had a couple of unexpected checks arrive in the post. Didn't know who they were from, so I asked here...

Turned out to pimproll, and I dont even remember signing with them !

I havnt signed up for any new aff stuff for 3 years, and have not promoted anything actively for 2 years!

Yet Pimproll still sent me my checks - And lets be honest... If they had not have sent them, II would not have EVER KNOWN lol

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by PR_Phil

I'm sitting in the same office I have sat in for 10 years, running the same program I have run for 10 years, the 2011 progressive affiliate program of the year, and the 2010 affiliate program of the year. We've paid over $50 million to webmasters in that time frame and are as profitable as we have ever been, I've watched the majority of our competitors bow out of the game entirely, I don't think I need you to tell me what idiocy is.

Idiocy = low self-esteem + bragging = your post.
People who have to list their accomplishments, their earnings and their stature have none, in my opinion.

Not mailing your members or your ex-members and justifying it by saying you're "leaving them alone" is actually doing them a DISservice. Anyone who wants to be "left alone" can do so by opting out. Many, many members and ex-members appreciate being informed of new sites, changes, updates, etc. Many today join, cancel, then re-join a couple months later. Ignoring this basic area of marketing is inexcuseable and makes me think you don't WANT your members/ex-members to hear from you, maybe to alert them they should cancel. LOL

But hey, since you're GOD and all that you can just ignore whatever I (or anyone else) says. The responses by you guys in this thread is "Thou doth protest too much" x 50 million. I don't care where the fuck you're sitting dude. NOT emailing your members/ex-members is idiocy.

[PR_Dave]

Read the fine print.