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  • 1215
    Boner Party
    • Aug 2004
    • 2408
    #1

    fuck you nifty stats!

    cmon, you can't even keep the free version going with the 15 affiliate programs!!

    you got ads popping up every time it downloads stats, was that not enough?

    sellouts.

    Last edited by 1215; 08-11-2011, 10:54 AM.
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    • Harmon
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      • Mar 2004
      • 20012
      #2
      Originally posted by 1215
      sellouts.

      can't even keep the free version going with the 15 affiliate programs!!

      you got ads popping up every time it downloads stats, was that not enough?

      fucking lame.
      U mad you had something for free and then these people realized they actually needed to make money?
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        • 1215
          Boner Party
          • Aug 2004
          • 2408
          #3
          yeah.

          the free version was very limited, but perfect for people only running a few affiliates programs.

          they had ads blasting left and right, all webmaster relevant, so couldn't have been that bad.
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            • Babaganoosh
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              • Nov 2001
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              #4
              If that extra $20/mo is going to break you then you need to get off the internet and get a jobby job.
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                • margarita
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 917
                  #5
                  Originally posted by 1215
                  yeah.

                  the free version was very limited, but perfect for people only running a few affiliates programs.

                  they had ads blasting left and right, all webmaster relevant, so couldn't have been that bad.
                  seriously, how much $ do you think you've earned for their advertisers?
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                    • CurrentlySober
                      Too lazy to wipe my ass
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 38940
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Babaganoosh
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                        • Paul&John
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 8643
                          #7
                          Why haven't you signed up to the advertised affiliate programs and pushed those? There is really nobody to blame only the affiliates not supporting the program.
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                            • signupdamnit
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                              • Aug 2007
                              • 6697
                              #8
                              I always felt that $20 (nifty) - $30 (stats remote) a month was overpriced for the service. Especially in these times. $10 would be more reasonable in my opinion. Regardless, it is their business and their choice. They also are giving out a free 30 day trial so you are effectively getting 30 days notice.

                              I think there is also another free alternative by a Russian who has been posting here. You might consider looking into what they are offering and supporting that project. There is a thread they keep posting to each time they add a new program and I noticed it is growing.

                              You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                                • signupdamnit
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2007
                                  • 6697
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Paul&John
                                  Why haven't you signed up to the advertised affiliate programs and pushed those? There is really nobody to blame only the affiliates not supporting the program.
                                  Except you don't really know if it was affiliates not checking out the sponsors. That is just what they told you. It doesn't mean that they didn't decide to do it because according to their calculations they could make more by eliminating the free version. It's convenient to blame the webmasters so that it can be used as a counter if they bitch about having to pay.

                                  You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                                    • Ginn
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Apr 2009
                                      • 627
                                      #10
                                      Yeah, that free alternative is cash-stats if i am not mistaking.

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                                        • Vjo
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 6082
                                          #11
                                          Good riddance. Finally dont have to receive their emails begging to click their banners or how they arent making any money.

                                          If I do buy any prog it will NOT be Nifty Stats.

                                          Multiple stats checking is dieing anyhow. Who has more than 15 progs worth a damn anyhow.

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                                            • signupdamnit
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2007
                                              • 6697
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Babaganoosh
                                              If that extra $20/mo is going to break you then you need to get off the internet and get a jobby job.
                                              I have a 2003 American dime which I will gladly sell to you for $15 via Paypal. If you are not willing to pay that price then you should probably get a job, right?

                                              You see it isn't that simple. There is the question of the value of the product to the individual. It isn't just a matter of whether or not they can afford it.

                                              You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                                                • Wizzo
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                                                  • 15224
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by 1215
                                                  sellouts.
                                                  Or maybe they were just buying in...
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                                                    • signupdamnit
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Aug 2007
                                                      • 6697
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Ginn
                                                      Yeah, that free alternative is cash-stats if i am not mistaking.
                                                      Sounds like the one. In the spirit of competition allow me to give them a link in this thread:

                                                      http://cash-stats.com/

                                                      You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                                                        • Vjo
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 6082
                                                          #15
                                                          niftystats.com added to email blacklist.. stick you future spam up your ass too.

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                                                            • Adraco
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                                                              • May 2009
                                                              • 3745
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Paul&John
                                                              Why haven't you signed up to the advertised affiliate programs and pushed those? There is really nobody to blame only the affiliates not supporting the program.
                                                              Oh, but I guess that they will gladly keep all referral commission even after discontinuing the free version from all the webmasters who now have active accounts under them on all different kinds of sponsors.
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                                                                • MetaMan
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                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                  • 28682
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                                  I always felt that $20 (nifty) - $30 (stats remote) a month was overpriced for the service. Especially in these times. $10 would be more reasonable in my opinion. Regardless, it is their business and their choice. They also are giving out a free 30 day trial so you are effectively getting 30 days notice.

                                                                  I think there is also another free alternative by a Russian who has been posting here. You might consider looking into what they are offering and supporting that project. There is a thread they keep posting to each time they add a new program and I noticed it is growing.
                                                                  $20 is overpriced? wtf are you smoking on?

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                                                                    • AmeliaG
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                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                      • 10662
                                                                      #18
                                                                      It is always a bummer when the price for something goes up, but NiftyStats lets you see your saved passwords and everything, so it is not like they make it terribly difficult to use a different option or go back to checking individually. NiftyStats is not a church, charity, community group, art project, or government, so I don't get being angry at them for tweaking their business model to stay viable. Businesses do that.
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                                                                        • Paul&John
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                                                                          • Aug 2005
                                                                          • 8643
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                                          Except you don't really know if it was affiliates not checking out the sponsors. That is just what they told you. It doesn't mean that they didn't decide to do it because according to their calculations they could make more by eliminating the free version. It's convenient to blame the webmasters so that it can be used as a counter if they bitch about having to pay.
                                                                          I think only they know the answer to this question.. but in the long-run is better to have a free version also (just to have people get used to the good life then upgrade).. so I think they would stay with free+paid versions if they made the same money with the free+paid then now without the free version

                                                                          Originally posted by Adraco
                                                                          Oh, but I guess that they will gladly keep all referral commission even after discontinuing the free version from all the webmasters who now have active accounts under them on all different kinds of sponsors.
                                                                          Hehe yes, but I think they were selling the ad spaces not showing their own ads (referral).
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                                                                            • 1215
                                                                              Boner Party
                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                              • 2408
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Paul&John
                                                                              I think only they know the answer to this question.. but in the long-run is better to have a free version also (just to have people get used to the good life then upgrade).. so I think they would stay with free+paid versions if they made the same money with the free+paid then now without the free version



                                                                              Hehe yes, but I think they were selling the ad spaces not showing their own ads (referral).
                                                                              i actually clicked ads if i wanted to check a new webmaster program. think i signed up for a few too. nifty was also one of the few things i ran on my sig at other forums for a while.

                                                                              but seriously, how many times can "count duh money" show up? either i wasn't interested or already signed up. i don't need to see it a million times to get the point.

                                                                              if they optimize their ads, they could probably do ok. but i don't think they did that at all.

                                                                              also, if they keep getting webmasters to sign up under them, under all these new programs with their own referral codes, then maybe webmasters will need to upgrade anyway. that means income from referrals and memberships, while still catering to the free members until they run enough programs to upgrade.

                                                                              in theory it could work. but in theory, taco bell meat is also real.
                                                                              Last edited by 1215; 08-11-2011, 02:43 PM.
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                                                                                • 1215
                                                                                  Boner Party
                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                  • 2408
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul&John
                                                                                  I think only they know the answer to this question.. but in the long-run is better to have a free version also (just to have people get used to the good life then upgrade).. so I think they would stay with free+paid versions if they made the same money with the free+paid then now without the free version



                                                                                  Hehe yes, but I think they were selling the ad spaces not showing their own ads (referral).
                                                                                  Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                                  Or maybe they were just buying in...
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                                                                                    • Babaganoosh
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                                                                                      • Nov 2001
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                                                      I have a 2003 American dime which I will gladly sell to you for $15 via Paypal. If you are not willing to pay that price then you should probably get a job, right?

                                                                                      You see it isn't that simple. There is the question of the value of the product to the individual. It isn't just a matter of whether or not they can afford it.
                                                                                      He used it when it was free. He cared enough to make a "fuck you" thread. That was time he could have used to manually check his stats which is what he's going to be doing if he can't/won't pay the asking price.

                                                                                      Niftystats doesn't owe anyone anything. Pay the money and use the program or don't pay the money and get good with spreadsheets.
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                                                                                        • Supz
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                                                                                          • Jul 2006
                                                                                          • 11057
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Adraco
                                                                                          Oh, but I guess that they will gladly keep all referral commission even after discontinuing the free version from all the webmasters who now have active accounts under them on all different kinds of sponsors.
                                                                                          Why would there be referral commission on paid advertising?

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                                                                                            • Vjo
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                              • 6082
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Id rather not flush $240 down the drain.

                                                                                              If it's free I'd use it but yes $20 a month is too much. I am in business too. Or trying to stay in business.

                                                                                              Ill get this cash-stats going or one of the other free ones.

                                                                                              Thanks for the link.

                                                                                              http://cash-stats.com/

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                                                                                                • Intrinsic
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jun 2008
                                                                                                  • 1589
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Supz
                                                                                                  Why would there be referral commission on paid advertising?
                                                                                                  They didn't show ads for dildos to WMs.. they showed ads to promote affiliate programs, and when affiliates sign up under them they get 5-10% commission

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                                                                                                    • georgeyw
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                                                                                                      • Jul 2005
                                                                                                      • 9865
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Damn that's a shame, hadn't seen the Nifty Stats email yet.

                                                                                                      Shame to say it, but I won't be paying $20 a month to check stats.
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                                                                                                        • fuzebox
                                                                                                          making it rain
                                                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                                                          • 22351
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Statsremote has saved me a ton of time over the years, but when I look back and realize that I have spent $2k+ on it it's kind of staggering.

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                                                                                                            • Vjo
                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                              • 6082
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by georgeyw
                                                                                                              Shame to say it, but I won't be paying $20 a month to check stats.
                                                                                                              Thank you. If you cant make a free/paid version then maybe you are trying to get rich off the wrong product.

                                                                                                              Joe Blow wm is not going to piss $20 a month away when he can have 10 icons in his taskbar.

                                                                                                              It is more fun anyhow. What, ND (for example) is one click stats from an icon. And I know what all the stats nuances are. I know who is doing what. I dont need bells and whistles.

                                                                                                              So stats progs are nice and I might still use one but bad biz to throw your money away unless you got a LOT of good progs... maybe.

                                                                                                              Id still prioritize and just click an icon once in a while.
                                                                                                              Last edited by Vjo; 08-11-2011, 03:15 PM.

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                                                                                                                • Vjo
                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                  • 6082
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I can open 10 sponsors with icons and know stats faster than NS.

                                                                                                                  Way faster.

                                                                                                                  Plus you have to go in manually all the time anyhow to your sponsors to really see what's happening.
                                                                                                                  Last edited by Vjo; 08-11-2011, 03:24 PM.

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                                                                                                                    • AdultKing
                                                                                                                      Raise Your Weapon
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                      • 15601
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I use Stats Remote because we use Macs however I fail to see the problem with paying much less than 1% of our income for a service which saves heaps of time. I don't want to spend time checking individual programs, I want to spend time making money.

                                                                                                                      These stats programs need constant updates to keep them working for the wide array of programs out there, that's why they run a subscription model.

                                                                                                                      If you're going to bitch over $20 - $30 per month for a massive time saving then maybe you need to find another occupation that pays better
                                                                                                                      Last edited by AdultKing; 08-11-2011, 03:25 PM.

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                                                                                                                        • Sly
                                                                                                                          Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                          • 31376
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          This thread reads like a surfer's free porn argument.
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                                                                                                                            • Vjo
                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                              • 6082
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Like Paul Bunyan vs the chainsaw. I just logged in with 4 off icons. Paul might be able to keep up but not way faster.

                                                                                                                              Still, Ill buy a case of Bud on Nifty Stats this month.

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                                                                                                                                • Vjo
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 6082
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by AdultKing
                                                                                                                                  I use Stats Remote because we use Macs however I fail to see the problem with paying much less than 1% of our income for a service which saves heaps of time. I don't want to spend time checking individual programs, I want to spend time making money.

                                                                                                                                  These stats programs need constant updates to keep them working for the wide array of programs out there, that's why they run a subscription model.

                                                                                                                                  If you're going to bitch over $20 - $30 per month for a massive time saving then maybe you need to find another occupation that pays better
                                                                                                                                  Good points and I did use the paid version for about a year but then decided (and realized) the value of every dollar.

                                                                                                                                  "Massive time saving" if you have 50+ progs as I know many of you do.

                                                                                                                                  I am a small guy and just speaking for smaller guys who have maybe 10 good progs. No real need for stats progs. Any of them, for us.

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                                                                                                                                    • Vjo
                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 6082
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I seen this coming down Madison Ave for months. No big deal.

                                                                                                                                      Perhaps if some of the progs you (NS) were promoting were worth a damn. I seen a couple decent progs but most are only going to attract newbs. And newbs are making very little money now days. The decent progs that advertised we all know about.

                                                                                                                                      So of course the free deal wasnt going to make money but it does keep guys like me in check.

                                                                                                                                      What if I spent a lot of time in the comments section? Now my time is wasted? When you start a free anything on the web now days you keep it free. That is rule #1. If not you get dissed. Way it is. Way it should be.
                                                                                                                                      Last edited by Vjo; 08-11-2011, 03:55 PM.

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                                                                                                                                        • seeandsee
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                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                          • 50945
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          wait a second, can somebody make something similar and sell it for 1 time fee. that would be great
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                                                                                                                                            • AdultKing
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                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 15601
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by seeandsee
                                                                                                                                              wait a second, can somebody make something similar and sell it for 1 time fee. that would be great
                                                                                                                                              The problem I see making a business case for this idea is the amount of work required to keep all supported programs working. Small changes to an affiliate back end can screw this sort of software up, which is why there are regular updates to Stats Remote.

                                                                                                                                              I'd prefer to pay a subscription for something that keeps working than pay a one time fee for something which will inevitably degrade over time

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                                                                                                                                                • Vjo
                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 6082
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  I gave my SELF a headache I dont give a fuck. Back to my music.

                                                                                                                                                  Happy sales. as TC used to say.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Stef.
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                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2009
                                                                                                                                                      • 995
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                                      This thread reads like a surfer's free porn argument.
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                                                                                                                                                        • PromoterX
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          I'll just keep using my VBA macro running in Excel.

                                                                                                                                                          Cheaper than $20/month.

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                                                                                                                                                            • robwod
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                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                              • 2540
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              A little off-topic, but Stats Remote does a lot more than just check stats. It allows you to also track who has paid and who has not, by means of clicking the entry each time you receive the payment. At a glance you can tell who has/has not paid in any given pay period.

                                                                                                                                                              Further, you can define expenses, such as wages, etc which give you an overview of each day's proft/loss margins.

                                                                                                                                                              And for comparison purposes, you can can see stats for multiple years, months, etc at a glance to determine trending, ratios or you name it.

                                                                                                                                                              At any given point in time, I can tell you what we've earned, right down to the cost per unique click, going back nearly a decade.

                                                                                                                                                              The forecasting feature is also a nice touch.

                                                                                                                                                              For what this does, I certainly do not consider 1 dollar a day is expensive for a constantly updated database of sponsors that tracks all of their backend changes for you automatically. I think that's a pretty small cost of doing business.

                                                                                                                                                              It's not a replacement for accounting, but it does indeed offer a quick financial overview of your online revnues with sponsors and other payments/expenses with respect to your ongoing business operations.
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                                                                                                                                                                • Lace
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                  • 16116
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                                                  This thread reads like a surfer's free porn argument.
                                                                                                                                                                  We're no different than surfers. Why pay for a stat program? Why pay for porn?

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                                                                                                                                                                    • korke
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2007
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      if you pay for 3 month you get nifty cheaper 16.6 if it helps
                                                                                                                                                                      and yes you need to findout another job if you cant afford 16$ per month then online biz...

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                                                                                                                                                                        • tornell
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 4231
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Nifty Stats is a cheaper ( $10 per month ) and has more functions as Stats Remote
                                                                                                                                                                          payouts, pie graph etc ... atc ...
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Paul&John
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by robwod
                                                                                                                                                                              A little off-topic, but Stats Remote does a lot more than just check stats. It allows you to also track who has paid and who has not, by means of clicking the entry each time you receive the payment. At a glance you can tell who has/has not paid in any given pay period.

                                                                                                                                                                              Further, you can define expenses, such as wages, etc which give you an overview of each day's proft/loss margins.

                                                                                                                                                                              And for comparison purposes, you can can see stats for multiple years, months, etc at a glance to determine trending, ratios or you name it.

                                                                                                                                                                              At any given point in time, I can tell you what we've earned, right down to the cost per unique click, going back nearly a decade.

                                                                                                                                                                              The forecasting feature is also a nice touch.
                                                                                                                                                                              lol if i'm correct most (if not all) of that stuff does nifty pro also
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jarmusch
                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 12479
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                                                                  This thread reads like a surfer's free porn argument.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Doesn't everyone here jerk off to free porn tubes?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • elmy
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 2337
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      I use Nifty Stats, excelent program.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • k0nr4d
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 9231
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by seeandsee
                                                                                                                                                                                          wait a second, can somebody make something similar and sell it for 1 time fee. that would be great
                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not a supporter of the subscription software model either, but I suspect these stats programs work off of logging in and parsing the html from the program's stats page to get the data you want. If someone changes the layout or something of the program, it will break it. Thus, they charge monthly to support it.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • nico-t
                                                                                                                                                                                              emperor of my world
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 29903
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                                                                                                                                                              I have a 2003 American dime which I will gladly sell to you for $15 via Paypal. If you are not willing to pay that price then you should probably get a job, right?

                                                                                                                                                                                              You see it isn't that simple. There is the question of the value of the product to the individual. It isn't just a matter of whether or not they can afford it.
                                                                                                                                                                                              exactly.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree with the thread starter. It's rediculous they cant keep the highly limited free version running. Plus i am not gonna pay such a monthly fee for a stats program. My internet connection and my car insurance are lower monthly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • adultchatpay
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Let's Make Money
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 8785
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Let them earn money too. Don't complain since you are using it for free. PAY!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jel
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 6904
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Moaning at a biz expense of $20 - 30 per month? Staggering...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      'yeah but some of us can't afford that, we are small time' - so because you are only small, or only use a few programs, you want an unsustainable free program, especially because?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Are you people real? So small that you bitch about paying less than 1 signup per month, but obviously with enough income & free time to post (and in) threads whining about a service going from free to paid, instead of working so that it doesn't matter.

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