Leaving Wi-Fi Connections 'Open' Can Be Costly

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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635

    #1

    Leaving Wi-Fi Connections 'Open' Can Be Costly

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    One defendant named in a recent BitTorrent suit recently was ordered to pay $10,401 despite statements that he never downloaded or uploaded any of the porn studio's content. In the judgment, he acknowledged his negligence for not securing his connection.

    That case, among others, is a cautionary tale for those who don't lock down their connections to the outside world, or even inside their home or office.

    Take, for instance, the case of Doe No. 605, who is defending a porn BitTorrent copyright claim with 2,009 other defendants in a claim brought on by adult studio Third Degree Films.

    Last week, Doe No. 605 asked a federal judge to quash a subpoena for his identity because he said he had no control over who accessed his Internet connection to steal content inside his home.

    Doe No. 605 said that other roommates in his Ohio three-story home could easily been able to have access and download copyright-protected porn.

    "The likelihood that an individual, other than Doe No. 605, infringed plaintiff?s copyrights is too great to support any correlation between Doe No. 605 and the alleged violation that plaintiff seeks to prove," Doe's motion to quash brief said.

    But that defense is horse manure, some attorneys say.
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  • amateurcanada
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2001
    • 3766

    #2
    Torture lol.

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    • DBS.US
      Geo Cities
      • Aug 2003
      • 11843

      #3
      I only download from starbucks
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      • gideongallery
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2003
        • 7082

        #4
        Originally posted by Barefootsies
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        don't count on this type of precedent standing for too long

        the eff has already started to take cases to stop this shit.

        the copyright act doesn't have neglect clause in it

        and the normal process is to define actual damages for the action caused by the neglect

        since bit torrent never gives away a complete copy the only damage is the 1 lost sale from the download.

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        • L-Pink
          working on my tan
          • Mar 2005
          • 39151

          #5
          dipshit .... ^^^ ......

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          • iamtam
            So Fucking Banned
            • Feb 2010
            • 1211

            #6
            the defense is soddi, which is pretty much the "two black youths" of the internet era. it doesnt stand up to the stink test. basically, let someone else run up a million dollars of long distance charges on your home phone, and then try to get out of that too. good freaking luck. plus these are civil suits, no beyond a reasonable doubt required here, just a preponderance of evidence. the soddi defence is a failure.

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            • CurrentlySober
              Too lazy to wipe my ass
              • Aug 2002
              • 38945

              #7
              Although I lived in America for 7 and a bit years, I cant really rember the wi-fi process...

              I'm guessing it must be different to the UK?

              Over here, you get a 'hub' supplied that pumps out the wi-fi. Each hub has a code on the back of it... Mine for example is h82aG61bejs7

              Now without that code, you cant log into the wifi... So unless you are actually in the house, with physical access to hub, and the code, you are automatically secure ?

              Like I say, is a different system there, or am I being naive?


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              • TorchWood
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2011
                • 45

                #8
                Nothing is secure, it takes a very little Linux knowledge and a script to crack nearly all Wifi networks... From what I've heard its in fact common practice amongst "hackers" to do this and use your internet connection to break the law. So even if you lock it, makes no difference.

                *knock knock*
                87 year old woman with arthritis answers the door... "yeeees"
                "hello m'am, we have evidence that you have hacked the pentagon, you're under arrest"

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                • CurrentlySober
                  Too lazy to wipe my ass
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 38945

                  #9
                  Originally posted by TorchWood
                  Nothing is secure, it takes a very little Linux knowledge and a script to crack nearly all Wifi networks... From what I've heard its in fact common practice amongst "hackers" to do this and use your internet connection to break the law. So even if you lock it, makes no difference.

                  *knock knock*
                  87 year old woman with arthritis answers the door... "yeeees"
                  "hello m'am, we have evidence that you have hacked the pentagon, you're under arrest"
                  But the part I left out, is that in the UK, we need to stick our cocks in the back of the 'HUB' as a digital 'spunkerprint' before we download porn illegally...


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                  • IllTestYourGirls
                    Ah My Balls
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 14311

                    #10
                    wow his lawyer sucked.

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                    • chronig
                      Registered User
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 2653

                      #11
                      As much as this case seems WRONG to charge someone 10k for having an open network

                      As much as it is possible to hack most wifi networks

                      Wouldn't it be nice if piracy really did fade back into the shadows?

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                      • _Richard_
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 30991

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TorchWood
                        Nothing is secure, it takes a very little Linux knowledge and a script to crack nearly all Wifi networks... From what I've heard its in fact common practice amongst "hackers" to do this and use your internet connection to break the law. So even if you lock it, makes no difference.

                        *knock knock*
                        87 year old woman with arthritis answers the door... "yeeees"
                        "hello m'am, we have evidence that you have hacked the pentagon, you're under arrest"
                        wonder what justification would be used to waterboard an 87 year old woman

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                        • Lykos
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 31032

                          #13
                          I heard it,thats crazy

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                          • adultchatpay
                            Let's Make Money
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 8785

                            #14
                            Sue Starbucks too!

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                            • Quentin
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 1280

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TorchWood
                              Nothing is secure, it takes a very little Linux knowledge and a script to crack nearly all Wifi networks... From what I've heard its in fact common practice amongst "hackers" to do this and use your internet connection to break the law. So even if you lock it, makes no difference.

                              *knock knock*
                              87 year old woman with arthritis answers the door... "yeeees"
                              "hello m'am, we have evidence that you have hacked the pentagon, you're under arrest"
                              As the legal theory here goes, the difference between leaving your router wide open and having it hacked is that if you password protect your router, that is an example of taking "reasonable care," whereas leaving it wide open is not.

                              If you password protect your router, the hacker has to engage in an overtly illegal act just in order to access the wifi; as such, there's no way a court is going to say you were negligent in that scenario.

                              I'm not saying I necessarily agree with theory of negligence being proposed here, just that under that theory, there's a big (and likely dispositive) difference between an entirely unsecured router and one that has been password protected and has to be compromised in order for illegal use of it by third parties to take place.
                              Q. Boyer

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                              • gideongallery
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 7082

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Quentin
                                As the legal theory here goes, the difference between leaving your router wide open and having it hacked is that if you password protect your router, that is an example of taking "reasonable care," whereas leaving it wide open is not.

                                If you password protect your router, the hacker has to engage in an overtly illegal act just in order to access the wifi; as such, there's no way a court is going to say you were negligent in that scenario.

                                I'm not saying I necessarily agree with theory of negligence being proposed here, just that under that theory, there's a big (and likely dispositive) difference between an entirely unsecured router and one that has been password protected and has to be compromised in order for illegal use of it by third parties to take place.
                                the big problem is if you secure your WiFi then the lawyers argue that you must have done it because your WiFi was secure and you have to prove that it was hacked to get "away" with it.

                                The fundamental problem with the argument is that leaving your keys in your car is not the DEFAULT configuration, your car is sold to you without the keys in the ignition

                                you have to choose to change it from that default position when you negligently leave your keys in the ignition .

                                WiFi is set-up by default to be open, it not designed to be secure out of the box, hell most people will not even set-up a secure WiFi properly (use dictionary words instead of mixing in case and special characters)

                                “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                • ottopottomouse
                                  She is ugly, bad luck.
                                  • Jan 2010
                                  • 13177

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by _Richard_
                                  wonder what justification would be used to waterboard an 87 year old woman
                                  Be a waste of time anyway she wouldn't remember the answer to whatever you wanted to ask.
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