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B.Barnato · 08-06-2011, 01:27 PM

Not sure about this exact case but the simple masses have always been the toys of the higher ups throughout history.

It has only become more obvious in recent times through the availability of more information to us simpletons.

While being manipulated through religion to do as told in the past, things have changed to mass manipulation and instilling fear through media.

Something that does stand out with the USA though compared to more progressive countries in Europe is the "patriotic thinking".

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Accept the information we feed you as fact or you are not being patriotic and hate America and the "freedom" of the American people. Also you are most likely a muslim sympathiser and love their terrorist activities.
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Not too long ago it was the communists and their ideology that you embraced if you did not accept the given American agenda and information as fact.

The farce of voting in America is also just ridiculous. A total clown show. Not democracy.

DBS.US · 08-06-2011, 01:31 PM

chronig · 08-06-2011, 01:35 PM

If they're hardcore enough to stealth assassinate osama bin laden then they're hardcore enough to go into Afghanistan and get killed. I'd think these are the kinds of people that need constant action, not sit on the side lines after one successful monumental mission.

Still - quite convenient/coincidental if it's true, if they were infact the same men on the osama mission contrary to some 'believed' news reports.

Agent 488 · 08-06-2011, 01:35 PM

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that guy has the best scam. makes hundreds of predictions of day that never come true but he'll never let you forgot about the one that will inevitably come true.

keep listening infowarriors, alex needs another new car.

dyna mo · 08-06-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

They are dimwitted and afraid unless it comes to porn scams...then they are masters it seems.... lol

and another brainiac gfy finger pointer.

Brujah · 08-06-2011, 01:40 PM

Drudgereport top story: "REVENGE: SEALS WHO GOT OSAMA KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN"

In the actual news story he links: "None of the 22 SEAL personnel killed in the crash were part of the team that killed bin Laden in a May raid in Pakistan, but they belonged to the same unit."

Caligari · 08-06-2011, 01:45 PM

So we know a few things for example.
1)reason for U.S. getting into vietnam war was rigged (gulf of tonkin).
2)Grenada was a hoax (no commie threat).
3)9/11 was lihop or mihop to allow the "elites" to pull the trigger into the 21st century.
4)Iraq was a key product of that operation.
5)This person Osama Bin Laden was magically found 10 years later, killed and his body conveniently dumped in the ocean to observe "muslim custom."

And in this entire 50 year span of time the idea of conspiracies in general has been mocked, ridiculed and basically laughed off the mainstream media in order to condition people into believing that any deviations from the "big truths" are no more than the ramblings of some tin foil hat lunatic.

But if the elite are so elite why do so many people know and/or believe most of these conspiracies exist?

Answer: the elites you talk about are also in reality just a bunch of wealthy, powerful idiots, because only a genius can create a conspiracy that no one knows about.

And so these great elites are really just a bunch of incompetent twats who can't keep one fucking thing undercover.

i mean really...how inept can you get? and you think these people will maintain control of the world?
i don't think so...

even now many countries in the world are rejecting the globalist bullshit. they see the results of the great new world order created by these "elites" and they aren't buying it.

momovic · 08-06-2011, 01:47 PM

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One thing I learned in the army, was that whenever someone "died in a helicopter crash" that is totally NOT what happened.

JFK · 08-06-2011, 01:50 PM

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Siggy wiggy

sounds kinda Gay , but OK

dyna mo · 08-06-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Markul

One thing I learned in the army, was that whenever someone "died in a helicopter crash" that is totally NOT what happened.

so every death in a military heli is foul play? what military did you belong in?

halfpint · 08-06-2011, 01:56 PM

My Nephew has been to Afganistan 3 times now and he works on helicopter engines. He told me one of the most frighting things apart from thier base being shelled was flying in helecopters to other bases because they were so open to rocket and small arms attack

dyna mo · 08-06-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

My Nephew has been to Afganistan 3 times now and he works on helicopter engines. He told me one of the most frighting things apart from thier base being shelled was flying in helecopters to other bases because they were so open to rocket and small arms attack

really? hmm seems strange that flying around in dust storms in a war zone would not be supremely safe, hell, the military should do heli tourist tours it's so fucking safe.

get to the chopper!

epitome · 08-06-2011, 02:04 PM

Helicopters get shot down all of the time.

I would be suspicious if it was a Boeing Business Jet that got shot down.

cherrylula · 08-06-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by *******

Does no affect me because I know I am dealing with people who are not fully aware of of how much mass psychology affects their daily lives.

I have had so many conversations with people down here in Louisiana, who don't believe things like news and advertising have any affect on them at all.

Then they all buy febreze and drink but light, watch fox news. uhuh sure.

Feed it to them, they'll eat it up and go back to work the next day, not caring either way.

L-Pink · 08-06-2011, 02:13 PM

Who here hasn't looked up at the sound of a helicopter and thought to himself "I could shoot that down"

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V_RocKs · 08-06-2011, 02:13 PM

Now tell me how you really fell... oops feel.

cherrylula · 08-06-2011, 02:14 PM

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Don't get DWB started or you will be booked for a shoot. hehe

On a lighter note, the Osama kill never seemed right as well... And the disposal of the body at sea...complying with Muslim rights...what a fucking joke. I've lived in Muslim world off and on since 1990. Nothing kosher about dumping the body in the ocean. Pure fabrication on US part.

No way, the US gov never makes things up! We'll be landing on the moon again, tomorrow!

halfpint · 08-06-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

really? hmm seems strange that flying around in dust storms in a war zone would not be supremely safe, hell, the military should do heli tourist tours it's so fucking safe.

get to the chopper!

The point i was trying to get across is what DWB is saying, its kinda stupid to put elite US forces on a helicopter over Afganistan

dyna mo · 08-06-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

No way, the US gov never makes things up! We'll be landing on the moon again, tomorrow!

you do realize you are commenting to someone who describes muslim traditions as kosher or not eh?

wait, i'm commenting to someone who is alluding to a fake moon landing!

eject! eject!

dyna mo · 08-06-2011, 02:23 PM

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The point i was trying to get across is what DWB is saying, its kinda stupid to put elite US forces on a helicopter over Afganistan

how would you get them to their mission?

TheSquealer · 08-06-2011, 02:37 PM

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how would you get them to their mission?

Obviously they can't. Afghanistan doesn't really exist. The country is just another hoax of the US Government for the sheeple of the world.

shimmy2 · 08-06-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Who here hasn't looked up at the sound of a helicopter and thought to himself "I could shoot that down"

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even homer has thought of that one

dyna mo · 08-06-2011, 02:41 PM

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Obviously they can't. Afghanistan doesn't really exist. The country is just another hoax of the US Government for the sheeple of the world.

well played.

Sly · 08-06-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

The point i was trying to get across is what DWB is saying, its kinda stupid to put elite US forces on a helicopter over Afganistan

As opposed to riding donkeys?

Much respect to anyone who has trained as hard as these guys do... but at the end of the day, they are still just a number. Special Forces does not have 10 members.

halfpint · 08-06-2011, 02:44 PM

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how would you get them to their mission?

Well not using a Chinook thats for sure the USA have far superior helicopters than those bloody big things and im sure if they wanted to get to some place with out using helicopters the elite forces could do it.

dyna mo · 08-06-2011, 02:46 PM

we all better get used to these sorts of threads eh. troop drawdown in afghanistan does NOT include special forces. sadly, those guys will be there a long time.

and the u.s. retaliatory strike as a result of this heli attack, well....boom goes the dynamite.

Sly · 08-06-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

Well not using a Chinook thats for sure the USA have far superior helicopters than those bloody big things and im sure if they wanted to get to some place with out using helicopters the elite forces could do it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_...nd_Afghanistan

Seems fairly reasonable to me.

dyna mo · 08-06-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

Well not using a Chinook thats for sure the USA have far superior helicopters than those bloody big things and im sure if they wanted to get to some place with out using helicopters the elite forces could do it.

i see about reliability, but elite is doing big time work there nightly all around the war zone. hard to move teams around without heli support.

Captain Kawaii · 08-06-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

No way, the US gov never makes things up! We'll be landing on the moon again, tomorrow!

I've got a 6AM call time at STage 16, warner bros. lot...we're doing "mars" next week and re-inventing the pentagon attack on thursday...shhhh, aliens did it. lol

epitome · 08-06-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

I have had so many conversations with people down here in Louisiana, who don't believe things like news and advertising have any affect on them at all.

Then they all buy febreze and drink but light, watch fox news. uhuh sure.

Feed it to them, they'll eat it up and go back to work the next day, not caring either way.

What are the alternatives? Mixing up their own great smelling scents, brew their own beer and travel the world to gather news themselves? Sounds boring when I work so that I can have others do that stuff for me.

Agent 488 · 08-06-2011, 03:21 PM

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What are the alternatives? Mixing up their own great smelling scents, brew their own beer and travel the world to gather news themselves?

uh ... yes?

Rochard · 08-06-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by *******

Every since I was a teenager I have been racking my brain trying to figure out why 99% of the population are so dumb they will believe whatever the media and government tell them. I am at the point now that I am looking forward to all the pain and suffering these idiots will go through when the economy really crashes and the USA becomes one big police state. You idiots really fucking deserve what is right around the corner. Of course my family will also be caught up in the pain but at least I will take some comfort that all the idiots will also be suffering. No wonder the elites hate the dumbed down masses. I am beginning to side with them because they seem to be the only people I feel I could have an intelligent conversation with.

But clearly your better than everyone else?

Your on the city counsel, right? Your a volunteer police office, or do ride alongs on a regular basis, right? You volunteer at the local shelter, right? You also served in the military, so your qualified to speak on military issues, right?

The truth is you fit in into that 99% you mentioned. You've never served, you not part of your local government, you don't take part in any government activity ever, but clearly your smarter than everyone else because you can sit in your arm chair and tell us what's wrong with everyone else?

The people who died today were part of the same unit, but not the same team that killed bin Laden in Pakistan. Don't you feel stupid right now.

papill0n · 08-06-2011, 03:32 PM

wow someone is coming down after a 4 day meth binge

papill0n · 08-06-2011, 03:36 PM

and fuck you you elitest gimp

youre no better than anyone else cunt

youre a fucking paul markham - all talk and no fucking action

go play with your xbox faggot

buzzard · 08-06-2011, 03:37 PM

Fantastic post *******

VikingMan · 08-06-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

But clearly your better than everyone else?

Your on the city counsel, right? Your a volunteer police office, or do ride alongs on a regular basis, right? You volunteer at the local shelter, right? You also served in the military, so your qualified to speak on military issues, right?

The truth is you fit in into that 99% you mentioned. You've never served, you not part of your local government, you don't take part in any government activity ever, but clearly your smarter than everyone else because you can sit in your arm chair and tell us what's wrong with everyone else?

The people who died today were part of the same unit, but not the same team that killed bin Laden in Pakistan. Don't you feel stupid right now.

Excuse me do you know me? No you don't. And yes I have taken part in the political system more than just about anyone else I know. I have volunteered hundreds of hours of my time in shelters. In fact that photo of the dog was taken by me at a German Shepherd rescue. I have opened up my home to dozens of foster dogs and even spent thousands of dollars helping them get back on their feet after getting dumped, neglected, and even beaten by their owners. So don't you feel kind of dumb right about now?

BTW, did you notice that I dedicated my sig to pet rescue? How much money could I have made if I just put some banner there instead? I promote animal rescue every freaking day of my life in any way I am able. You have no fucking idea.

VikingMan · 08-06-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

and fuck you you elitest gimp

youre no better than anyone else cunt

youre a fucking paul markham - all talk and no fucking action

go play with your xbox faggot

Wow, you are really angry. Why is that? And if you had read my posts you would realize I am not the type to zone out all day playing xbox. And thank you for using the word faggot as it tells us all we need to know about you.

TheSquealer · 08-06-2011, 03:49 PM

How do we know the OP is not Taliban, part of a Taliban disinformation campaign?

VikingMan · 08-06-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n

wow someone is coming down after a 4 day meth binge

Sorry but the use of meth goes completely against my value system. But I did eat some Royal Jelly this morning and they does tend to get me going. Do you even know what Royal Jelly is? Probably not but I bet you know the names of the entire cast of Jersey Shore. How is that for a response you loathsome tool?

TheSquealer · 08-06-2011, 03:52 PM

I demand the OP prove he's not a rogue Pakistani intelligence officer.

VikingMan · 08-06-2011, 03:56 PM

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Fantastic post *******

Thank you. And thank you to the other posters who have given me support in this thread. It is not the type of thread where most of the people who agree with me will have the courage to comment. No doubt for every positive post in this thread there are 20 people who want to post but are afraid of being called a nut. For me it does not matter anymore as we as a nation are in such an advanced state of decay that the show is just about over. Things are about to get really really painful for people in the USA and of course in other countries as well. The human mind is capable of amazing feats of denial and I think this is what we are witnessing from most people. They have their houses, investments, businesses, careers, kids, and 401k's and to face reality is just too much to bear. It is much easier for them to fall into the crowd and talk to each other about who is going to be the next President (when it really does not matter at all).

VikingMan · 08-06-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I demand the OP prove he's not a rogue Pakistani intelligence officer.

Thanks for giving me a laugh

lazycash · 08-06-2011, 04:05 PM

Threadstarter is a wackjob, he even admitted it himself in another thread:

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I am a textbook sociopath with pent up aggression

B.Barnato · 08-06-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by *******

The human mind is capable of amazing feats of denial and I think this is what we are witnessing from most people.

Exactly this.

Especially if someone subscribes to the ideological mindset of a "true American", having served their country, lost family and friends to war in the name of their country, admitting that the powers that be have used and mislead them can be quite a challenge and I feel sorry for them.

Agent 488 · 08-06-2011, 04:07 PM

if you really think that people who don't believe in stupid conspiracy theories are all brainwashed you need to wake up. i know every conspiracy theory like the back of my hand don't watch any mainstream garbage entertainment.

you have just traded one limited reality tunnel for another.

Theo · 08-06-2011, 04:07 PM

Who would be empowered enough to take such decision? Regardless my opinion on these wars I cant believe the president or the generals would do something like that.

lazycash · 08-06-2011, 04:11 PM

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Agent 488 I have read your posts for years and I do believe you are a sharp person.

The Agent488 nick has been around for barely a year.

Agent 488 · 08-06-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

The Agent488 nick has been around for barely a year.

feels like years.

VikingMan · 08-06-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by B.Barnato

Exactly this.

Especially if someone subscribes to the ideological mindset of a "true American", having served their country, lost family and friends to war in the name of their country, admitting that the powers that be have used and mislead them can be quite a challenge and I feel sorry for them.

Yes, people are "pot committed" especially if they have sacrificed part of themselves or a son/daughter. They are mostly really great people. The kind of people who would save strangers from a burning car.

Overload · 08-06-2011, 04:22 PM

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No, just a guy who saw all this even as a child. I have always been fascinated by mass psychology, marketing, politics, religion, and history. I began looking into all this heavily when I was still a teenager. Back then I thought I could reason with people and get them to get out of the matrix but I was dead wrong. I no longer care anymore and feel the same contempt for the masses that the elites do. I understand them now. I guess they look at the world as one giant ant hill that can just be stepped on.

By the way I am probably one of the few people posting in this thread who has actually traveled to many areas of the world and studied history, culture, etc. No I never stayed in fancy hotels and focused on the touristy activities. Instead I would go to libraries, meet locals, and volunteer for archeological digs. I did not get my world view from some government approved text book or from the TV or movies. Why did I do this when most kids my age where getting drunk, absorbing mind numbing TV, and slacking of in colledge? It is because I always knew the official version of history and politics was completely bogus and as a young man I wanted to seek the truth.

welcome ... well, i really wonder ... do ppl in the US watch those "prez announcements"? and even worse - do they BELIEVE what is said? do they follow like sheep w/out questioning the officials? about 70 years ago in germany ... ---> "all guilt on the jews" ... replace *jews with *muslims for the US fellas ... fuck, all a waste of words ... "in capitalism we trust" seals it ... a country run like a company ... 0,1% suck all the money in and the rest can die ... what a fucked country the US is

i dont even wanna talk about your pissy health care ... any 3rd world country does better ... serious ... even MANY of YOUR heroes of 911 seeked medical help in CUBA and were treated FOR FREE

hail USA - suckers

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Caligari Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: At The Mountains Of Madness Posts: 5,414	So we know a few things for example. 1)reason for U.S. getting into vietnam war was rigged (gulf of tonkin). 2)Grenada was a hoax (no commie threat). 3)9/11 was lihop or mihop to allow the "elites" to pull the trigger into the 21st century. 4)Iraq was a key product of that operation. 5)This person Osama Bin Laden was magically found 10 years later, killed and his body conveniently dumped in the ocean to observe "muslim custom." And in this entire 50 year span of time the idea of conspiracies in general has been mocked, ridiculed and basically laughed off the mainstream media in order to condition people into believing that any deviations from the "big truths" are no more than the ramblings of some tin foil hat lunatic. But if the elite are so elite why do so many people know and/or believe most of these conspiracies exist? Answer: the elites you talk about are also in reality just a bunch of wealthy, powerful idiots, because only a genius can create a conspiracy that no one knows about. And so these great elites are really just a bunch of incompetent twats who can't keep one fucking thing undercover. i mean really...how inept can you get? and you think these people will maintain control of the world? i don't think so... even now many countries in the world are rejecting the globalist bullshit. they see the results of the great new world order created by these "elites" and they aren't buying it. __________________ ATTN Webmasters Cruel Bucks - LIVE Gonzo Does Not Pay ------------------------------------------------ Animal Rescue Click Here to Feed An Animal for Free Last edited by Caligari; 08-06-2011 at 01:55 PM..

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08-06-2011, 01:27 PM	#51
B.Barnato So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,618	Not sure about this exact case but the simple masses have always been the toys of the higher ups throughout history. It has only become more obvious in recent times through the availability of more information to us simpletons. While being manipulated through religion to do as told in the past, things have changed to mass manipulation and instilling fear through media. Something that does stand out with the USA though compared to more progressive countries in Europe is the "patriotic thinking". --- Accept the information we feed you as fact or you are not being patriotic and hate America and the "freedom" of the American people. Also you are most likely a muslim sympathiser and love their terrorist activities. --- Not too long ago it was the communists and their ideology that you embraced if you did not accept the given American agenda and information as fact. The farce of voting in America is also just ridiculous. A total clown show. Not democracy.

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chronig Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,653	If they're hardcore enough to stealth assassinate osama bin laden then they're hardcore enough to go into Afghanistan and get killed. I'd think these are the kinds of people that need constant action, not sit on the side lines after one successful monumental mission. Still - quite convenient/coincidental if it's true, if they were infact the same men on the osama mission contrary to some 'believed' news reports.

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epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	Helicopters get shot down all of the time. I would be suspicious if it was a Boeing Business Jet that got shot down.

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Who here hasn't looked up at the sound of a helicopter and thought to himself "I could shoot that down" .

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,283	we all better get used to these sorts of threads eh. troop drawdown in afghanistan does NOT include special forces. sadly, those guys will be there a long time. and the u.s. retaliatory strike as a result of this heli attack, well....boom goes the dynamite.

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papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	wow someone is coming down after a 4 day meth binge

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papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	and fuck you you elitest gimp youre no better than anyone else cunt youre a fucking paul markham - all talk and no fucking action go play with your xbox faggot

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TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,111	How do we know the OP is not Taliban, part of a Taliban disinformation campaign?

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TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,111	I demand the OP prove he's not a rogue Pakistani intelligence officer.

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	if you really think that people who don't believe in stupid conspiracy theories are all brainwashed you need to wake up. i know every conspiracy theory like the back of my hand don't watch any mainstream garbage entertainment. you have just traded one limited reality tunnel for another.

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Who would be empowered enough to take such decision? Regardless my opinion on these wars I cant believe the president or the generals would do something like that. Last edited by Theo; 08-06-2011 at 04:17 PM..