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Old 01-25-2003, 06:08 PM   #1
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Is Porn Immoral?

The other night there was this thing on tv about porn and the girls that are in them. It had an exclusive interview with the porn star Belladona and some others that I dont remember.

The thing that I noticed was that all the girls had a shitty youth, being very restricted by religion, parents, and society.

And then their parents think that the people that make money off of porn are the people to blame here.

All those parents can suck my nuts, it is their fault their kids are porn stars. If I had a kid, I would show him/her all about sex early in their youth and make sure they at least used protection. Not condone it.
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Old 01-25-2003, 06:11 PM   #2
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If you're talking about that show on ABC the other night, it was almost as bad propoganda as those new anti-marijuana commercials.
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Ummm...are you saying there's something wrong with porn?

I'm not feelin' you on this post.
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Ummm...are you saying there's something wrong with porn?

I'm not feelin' you on this post.
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Old 01-27-2003, 06:44 PM   #5
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Women in porn are like whores in real life in my opinon . If you love your kid don't let them be a pornstar . They can always get an education and work with intergity than be cheap sex workers and get no respect from no one . I wouldn't never go out with a pornstar after she been fucked by every freak on those god damn movies . I think all the men in those porn movies are preves that can't get any in real life so they get paid for it . Right assholes . Hell it does make a lot of money thought .
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The other night there was this thing on tv about porn and the girls that are in them. It had an exclusive interview with the porn star Belladona and some others that I dont remember.

The thing that I noticed was that all the girls had a shitty youth, being very restricted by religion, parents, and society.

And then their parents think that the people that make money off of porn are the people to blame here.

All those parents can suck my nuts, it is their fault their kids are porn stars. If I had a kid, I would show him/her all about sex early in their youth and make sure they at least used protection. Not condone it.
people shouldn't be allowed to ask such questions till they have 10,000 posts.
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Old 01-27-2003, 06:49 PM   #7
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Women in porn are like whores in real life in my opinon . If you love your kid don't let them be a pornstar . They can always get an education and work with intergity than be cheap sex workers and get no respect from no one . I wouldn't never go out with a pornstar after she been fucked by every freak on those god damn movies . I think all the men in those porn movies are preves that can't get any in real life so they get paid for it . Right assholes . Hell it does make a lot of money thought .
But you'll be happy to make money off of them, right?
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Old 01-27-2003, 06:51 PM   #8
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Women in porn are like whores in real life in my opinon . If you love your kid don't let them be a pornstar . They can always get an education and work with intergity than be cheap sex workers and get no respect from no one . I wouldn't never go out with a pornstar after she been fucked by every freak on those god damn movies . I think all the men in those porn movies are preves that can't get any in real life so they get paid for it . Right assholes . Hell it does make a lot of money thought .
It's obvious you opted not to take the education route.
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Women in porn are like whores in real life in my opinon . If you love your kid don't let them be a pornstar . They can always get an education and work with intergity than be cheap sex workers and get no respect from no one . I wouldn't never go out with a pornstar after she been fucked by every freak on those god damn movies . I think all the men in those porn movies are preves that can't get any in real life so they get paid for it . Right assholes . Hell it does make a lot of money thought .
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Old 01-27-2003, 06:52 PM   #10
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Porn isn't immoral in itself. It can be immoral, but that's not because of the porn but because of the circumstances (exploitation, force, etc).
Porn in itself is neutral. Like eating a sandwich.
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that's fucked - i know that a *lot* of girls in porn have had shitty lives, but they are at least adult enough to confront them because i know a LOT of girls who have had shitty lives growing up who are repressed as hell and in my opinion that's worse

media will always make porn out to be this evil thing, it's stupid. personally i *love* porn - and view it as a wonderful thing in society that makes us civil and kind to one another and respect everyone *ok that's total bullshit but i still love porn*


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The other night there was this thing on tv about porn and the girls that are in them. It had an exclusive interview with the porn star Belladona and some others that I dont remember.

The thing that I noticed was that all the girls had a shitty youth, being very restricted by religion, parents, and society.

And then their parents think that the people that make money off of porn are the people to blame here.

All those parents can suck my nuts, it is their fault their kids are porn stars. If I had a kid, I would show him/her all about sex early in their youth and make sure they at least used protection. Not condone it.
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Old 01-27-2003, 06:54 PM   #12
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wait a sec here - define pornstar exactly and does that count for women who just run porn stuff, women who are in online porn, women who do pix?


i never did understand the double standard

porn is great -but my woman is never gonna do that shit

*sticks her nose up* fuck that a woman can do whatever she damn well pleases

as for education, education is *always* a good thing


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Old 01-27-2003, 06:57 PM   #13
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Porn is kosher, but jesusbongs are a lil sacreligious ;)
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Belladona's Mormon Mom even tried to get in on helping manage her career once she had come to terms with what her daughter was doing but she couldn't hack it.

Don't fall for the 1980's type "don't blame me" mentality. We all have choices in life.

Getting paid $8/hr at at some McDees 40 hours a week is exploitation IMHO.
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i like it...it's been nice to me...and it is one of the most profitable industries on the net...i really don't view it any other way


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If you love your kid don't let them be a pornstar .
First off there are no "kids" in porn. If they are in yours then then kindly dial 911 and wait quietly by the door for the nice officers to arrive.

Secondly if there are infact no kids in porn then I don't think thier parents have any say so in what these adults choose to do.
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Belladona's Mormon Mom even tried to get in on helping manage her career once she had come to terms with what her daughter was doing but she couldn't hack it.

Don't fall for the 1980's type "don't blame me" mentality. We all have choices in life.

Getting paid $8/hr at at some McDees 40 hours a week is exploitation IMHO.
amen!! i'd rather be doing porn than working there any ole day
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Who cares if its moral??? Your getting your money.... right??


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Who cares if its moral??? Your getting your money.... right??

See you in hell.
Contrary to common belief, morality is not linked to religion by definition. In fact, linking morality to religion causes several large logical problems. So, no need to talk about going to hell.


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How the fuck can you work in this business if you have such a bad view of pornstars? Hello, it's their fucking asses you're selling, you wouldn't make jack shit without them.

If you think it's immoral, then take a look in the goddamn mirror.
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porn in and of itself isn't immoral but there are alot of immoral people in the porn biz. Immoral people in every other business too.

No doubt the porn biz is fueled by some very fucked up young girls, it would be nice if they were all smart girls from nice backgrounds who just enjoy performing sex acts for the camera. But they aren't, many of them shouldn't be in the porn biz, but if they weren't they'd be prostitutes - porn doesn't help them out much but it also isn't what caused them the damage.

I speak to a fair number of people in the video porn biz these days - this is the message i get from the inside of that biz - there are two kinds of men who dominate that industry - those who hate women and those who love women.

There are companies out there pushing the limits with these girls.
I hear the defense - nobody is forcing these girls to do anything, they can walk off the set if somebody is pressuring them to do something they aren't comfortable with - but it's no defense, they do put pressure on these girls, and we're not talking about the most confident girls in the world, they succumb to the pressure.
Only the most beautiful of them like a Jenna Jameson or Tera Patrick can say 'I don't do anal, I refuse to be roughed up and slapped around' ........ the younger more vulnerable ones will give in and do most anything. I think those guys are bullies, all they care about is getting what they want on video to make the most amount of money. And these days the more humiating the more extreme videos are the ones that sell to a certain big segment of the market.

Nobody gets physically forced to do porn these days but there are these 'suitcase pimps' in the background of the porn biz who control some of these girls and who knows what kind of mental abuse is going on.

Porn isn't immoral, some parts of the porn business are.
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oh you might be suprized. back in 1998 when my dear mother found out her little girl was bare ass naked online she disowned me for 3 months - when she found out i started running sites she was "ok" but once she found out i was not only running them but doing them she flipped again

it's becomes different when it's your own child i guess but again for a guy it's OK just not for girls

again with the double standard - crazy crazy

a few of my models parent's found out and they all flipped


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First off there are no "kids" in porn. If they are in yours then then kindly dial 911 and wait quietly by the door for the nice officers to arrive.

Secondly if there are infact no kids in porn then I don't think thier parents have any say so in what these adults choose to do.
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[B]Contrary to common belief, morality is not linked to religion by definition. In fact, linking morality to religion causes several large logical problems. So, no need to talk about going to hell.
I find your attempt to justify your imorality as well as lack of ability to recognize the connection between morality and hell CONTEMPTABLE. FUC k off you coc smoking turd muncher and accept your fucking fate like a man and not a cowering pussy.


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I find your attempt to justify your imorality as well as lack of ability to recognize the connection between morality and hell CONTEMPTABLE. FUC k off you coc smoking turd muncher and accept your fucking fate like a man and not a cowering pussy.

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*giggles*

your funny in a very bizzar obscene way


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I find your attempt to justify your imorality as well as lack of ability to recognize the connection between morality and hell CONTEMPTABLE. FUC k off you coc smoking turd muncher and accept your fucking fate like a man and not a cowering pussy.


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people shouldn't be allowed to ask such questions till they have 10,000 posts.
Nor reply.. at least some of them I mean the hypocrites.
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I find your attempt to justify your imorality as well as lack of ability to recognize the connection between morality and hell CONTEMPTABLE. FUC k off you coc smoking turd muncher and accept your fucking fate like a man and not a cowering pussy.


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What a stupid ass remark. He meant that morality stretches farther than just religion (which hell is a part of). There's not necessarily a link.

And what fate? How the hell would you know?
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I find your attempt to justify your imorality as well as lack of ability to recognize the connection between morality and hell CONTEMPTABLE. FUC k off you coc smoking turd muncher and accept your fucking fate like a man and not a cowering pussy.


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Oh yeah, namecalling certainly gets a point across.

Point being a lack of the ability to rationally discuss an adult topic in the company of other adults.

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oh you might be suprized. back in 1998 when my dear mother found out her little girl was bare ass naked online she disowned me for 3 months - when she found out i started running sites she was "ok" but once she found out i was not only running them but doing them she flipped again

it's becomes different when it's your own child i guess but again for a guy it's OK just not for girls

again with the double standard - crazy crazy

a few of my models parent's found out and they all flipped


I am not saying that someone's child being in porn will be an easy thing to accept and may in fact cause irreparable harm to their relationship with their parents. My point was to show webmasterriches that his logic was a flawed in saying that parents should not allow their adult children to be in porn when in fact they have no control over what their adult children do or don't do.

And exactly where in my post is there any indication of a double standard? Please point this out to me because I don't see it.
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though i am not a content producer

i can have an educated guess that over half of
the woman in the industry prolly do have had
some emotional/physical problems that led them to porn,

some people see this and take advantage of them
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What a stupid ass remark. He meant that morality stretches farther than just religion (which hell is a part of). There's not necessarily a link.

And what fate? How the hell would you know?
Actually, the whole linking of morality and religion - that is, deriving even the slightest bit of morality from religion - necessarily implies that the "God is good"-doctrine is meaningless and that God's will/good are completely arbitrary. Therefore, basing an ethical standard on God is extremely problematic.
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What a stupid ass remark. He meant that morality stretches farther than just religion (which hell is a part of). There's not necessarily a link.

And what fate? How the hell would you know?
Not a link? WTF. they overlap asswipe. You suck. Your still going to hell...

NEXT.
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Oh yeah, namecalling certainly gets a point across.

Point being a lack of the ability to rationally discuss an adult topic in the company of other adults.
Bend over.

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Actually, the whole linking of morality and religion - that is, deriving even the slightest bit of morality from religion - necessarily implies that the "God is good"-doctrine is meaningless and that God's will/good are completely arbitrary.
From what I've gathered your a poser wanabee rebel. Am I correct?

Accept reality moron. If your gonna shake hands with the devil at least keep your eyes open.
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Not a link? WTF. they overlap asswipe. You suck. Your still going to hell...
Obviously you don't grasp the basics of ethics yet. Try reading sometime, even you might learn something.
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Obviously you don't grasp the basics of ethics yet. Try reading sometime, even you might learn something.
Obviously you dont grasp the fact the unless yoru an athiest morals/ethics and religion go hand in hand. I'm guessing theres very FEW true athiests here. your gay argument only works for a small exception to the rule... WOopty doo for you. You can read, but you cant make a valid argument.
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Old 01-27-2003, 07:29 PM   #37
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Obviously you dont grasp the fact the unless yoru an athiest morals/ethics and religion go hand in hand. I'm guessing theres very FEW true athiests here. your gay argument only works for a small exception to the rule... WOopty doo for you. You can read, but you cant make a valid argument.
If you're NOT an atheist, it is almost impossible not to believe in an ethical standard independant of God. Unless, ofcourse, you want to say that the "God is good"-doctrine is meaningless, and that God's commands are completely arbitrary.
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Old 01-27-2003, 07:31 PM   #38
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If you're NOT an atheist, it is almost impossible not to believe in an ethical standard independant of God. Unless, ofcourse, you want to say that the "God is good"-doctrine is meaningless, and that God's commands are completely arbitrary.
I saw your double negative and stopped reading.... clean it up then maybe I'll waste my time responding.
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I saw your double negative and stopped reading.... clean it up then maybe I'll waste my time responding.
Double negatives can add functionality, as is the case here. I am seriously beginning to doubt your mental capabilties though, so I don't blame you for not seeing it.
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Old 01-27-2003, 07:35 PM   #40
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Obviously you dont grasp the fact the unless yoru an athiest morals/ethics and religion go hand in hand. I'm guessing theres very FEW true athiests here. your gay argument only works for a small exception to the rule... WOopty doo for you. You can read, but you cant make a valid argument.
Actually, he makes a very good argument, you simply refuse to agree with it and so have apparently decided that you'll just name-call your way around it.

Since you're so into God and whatnot, let's talk. So. Unless God says so, there is no morality? If God said murder was okay, would it really be okay? And is it morally right to sell your children into slavery? (Check Leviticus. It's in your Bible.)

And, by the way, should we kill a man for not cutting his hair? (Again, check Leviticus.)

"Thou shalt have no other Gods before Me, for I am a jealous God..." First of your Ten Commandments. But isn't envy one of the 7 deadly sins? Last I checked, jealousy and envy were the same thing...just like coveting thy neighbor's wife (or anything else as it goes...) so HE can be jealous but not us?

Start thumpin, darlin.
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Double negatives can add functionality, as is the case here. I am seriously beginning to doubt your mental capabilties though, so I don't blame you for not seeing it.
Hahah the kid who a few mins ago was telling me to READ is now saying "Double negatives can add functionality".

the WERE considered emphatic a long time ago.... but now they are just poor grammar.

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I saw your double negative and stopped reading.... clean it up then maybe I'll waste my time responding.
This coming from a gentleman who spells "you're" as "your."

Clean it up then maybe I'll waste more of my time responding.
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Actually, he makes a very good argument, you simply refuse to agree with it and so have apparently decided that you'll just name-call your way around it.

Since you're so into God and whatnot, let's talk. So. Unless God says so, there is no morality? If God said murder was okay, would it really be okay? And is it morally right to sell your children into slavery? (Check Leviticus. It's in your Bible.)

And, by the way, should we kill a man for not cutting his hair? (Again, check Leviticus.)

"Thou shalt have no other Gods before Me, for I am a jealous God..." First of your Ten Commandments. But isn't envy one of the 7 deadly sins? Last I checked, jealousy and envy were the same thing...just like coveting thy neighbor's wife (or anything else as it goes...) so HE can be jealous but not us?

Start thumpin, darlin.
sweetie.... sweetie.... thats not bending over.
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sweetie.... sweetie.... thats not bending over.
Congratulations, want a cookie?
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Actually, he makes a very good argument, you simply refuse to agree with it and so have apparently decided that you'll just name-call your way around it.

Since you're so into God and whatnot, let's talk. So. Unless God says so, there is no morality? If God said murder was okay, would it really be okay? And is it morally right to sell your children into slavery? (Check Leviticus. It's in your Bible.)

And, by the way, should we kill a man for not cutting his hair? (Again, check Leviticus.)

"Thou shalt have no other Gods before Me, for I am a jealous God..." First of your Ten Commandments. But isn't envy one of the 7 deadly sins? Last I checked, jealousy and envy were the same thing...just like coveting thy neighbor's wife (or anything else as it goes...) so HE can be jealous but not us?

Start thumpin, darlin.
There are also a lot of other nice examples of God being his adorable little self to find in Deuteronomy, for instance, that if a woman is discovered not to be a virgin at her wedding she should get stoned to death.

Envious and jealous are not the same thing here though. In the original Greek version a word is used that is interpreted as "jealous" in most bible translations, but "vengeful" would be a better translation for it.
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Hahah the kid who a few mins ago was telling me to READ is now saying "Double negatives can add functionality".

the WERE considered emphatic a long time ago.... but now they are just poor grammar.

I'm done here.
What a cowardly way to pull out of the discussion. You disappoint me.
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Nothing wrong with being a prick sometimes, but solid argumentation usually benefits that cause greatly
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There are also a lot of other nice examples of God being his adorable little self to find in Deuteronomy, for instance, that if a woman is discovered not to be a virgin at her wedding she should get stoned to death.

Envious and jealous are not the same thing here though. In the original Greek version a word is used that is interpreted as "jealous" in most bible translations, but "vengeful" would be a better translation for it.
Ah, I stand corrected. Thanks

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