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PHP Coders Who Use Zend to Protect Their Source Code
PHP 5.3 is the current version. It was released back in June of 2009! PHP 5.2 is no longer officially supported. It reached end of life back in January (I think).
I just saw that PHP 5.4 alpha 1 was released a few days ago. If you encoded your scripts to run under 5.2 with Zend Optimizer, they will not run under 5.3 with Zend Guard. Why aren't more coders staying current? I'm not going to run a version of PHP that has reached EoL just so I can run your script. I've encountered two popular encoded scripts recently that won't run under PHP 5.3. Seriously, is there some reason why these guys don't try to stay current? Are most of their customers too lazy or apathetic to upgrade? |
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Most customers are running Mysql 4.x with PHP 5.2 or lower and won't upgrade until a major exploit is released to the public that hacks all installations...
Most programmers don't live by coding the scripts they sell here. So their day job takes up all of their time. The script was usually a way to do something other than "work"... But then their hobby got boring too since it was the same as work... So updating their script is like... work... |
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i cant afford php...
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Zend is a complete waste of time anyway.
Everything can be reversed.
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DeZend makes it pointless.
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Most legit customers don't want to fuck with dezending a script. These are scripts I paid for. I expect them to work. I would really like to use uugallery on the site but there is no php 5.3 support so I might crack that one to make it work. Again, I have a legit license though.
Some of the cheapestadultscripts products don't work either but I can probably live without them.
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php -v
PHP 5.3.5 (cli) (built: Jan 6 2011 21:42:47) Really didnt know this incompatibility between zended 5.2 and 5.3. However, for updated and supported software, this is kinda moot. Any dev will have zended versions of his/their script for each php version (private cloud setups allows for all this). I personally support any/all scripts I released for php 5.x. Past customers just have to ask if something isn't compatible. Of course zend-encoded scripts can be reversed - this is high level coding. However, it still kills 99.9% of thefts.... the courts can take care of the remaining.
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Even if it isn't the same, you agreed to the software license as it was stated - you don't have the right to reverse engineer it simply because the developer stopped supporting a PHP version....
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Please stop buying encoded scripts. It only encourages the author to continue by supporting it.
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I Agree!
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Better discussions on the pros and cons of encoding your scripts in this thread.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=999976
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Now that I think about it, I don't think there was any license agreement with either script so the point is moot.
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the only reason im running php 5.2 is because the one app thats encoded with zend, hasnt been applied for 5.3, so thats my only drawback.
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Maybe you should take this up with Zend Technologies Ltd not the programmer.
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Php= Philippine Peso
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Interestingly, I had an early version of 5.2, but the most recent wordpress wouldn't upgrade unless I went to 5.2.14 or greater.
Natnet suggested that I not update to PHP 5.3 and instead, upgraded to a later version of 5.2. Quote:
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After three well known CMS companies went belly up, leaving their customers stranded, I made an offer to some remaining companies. They could put their source code "in escrow", put away with us, in case anything happened to them. Their customers could still have what they would need to keep running their business long term. None have taken us up on it so far. If some do, that would be a sign to their potential customers that they take the customers business seriously. The comment that you do not own an encoded script, but have only purchased the right to use it for a little while is telling. It's an admission by one if those companies that indeed that software can be yanked away from you at any time, so you better not depend on it.
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BTW the vast majority of people still run php 5.2, because that's what the vast majority of package managers seem to install on servers for some reason. CentOS for instance installs 5.2.17 if you do yum install php.
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Really? Still? I figured people were just too lazy to update. apt-get on debian 6 installs 5.3, so does yum on centos 6. I guess there are probably lots of people running older distros though.
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You have to do "yum install php53"
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Personally if I did encode them I would at least have versions available to accommodate everyone. Programmers who sell compiled code usually have multiple binaries available. I don't know why PHP coders can't. If they can't or won't they shouldn't be encoding their scripts in the first place.
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Every unencoded script ends up being posted on file sharing sites for free. The programmer sells 5 copies and 3 days later 300 stolen copies are running on the net. What's the point of doing all that work? None.
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How many legit customers are scared away by encoded scripts? My new policy is to never buy an encoded script. The question is which causes a coder to lose more money, piracy or potential legit customers scared off by encoded scripts. |
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shit bro. Sale something and get ripped, then re-read your own quotes. It's encoded to stop people from stealing. You say it doesn't work, but it does work for those that don't understand how to beat it. You are basically telling programmers to "don't bother locking your doors at home, because a good crook can get in anyway". And everybody knows that there are more bad crooks than good ones. ![]()
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Really though, these encoded scripts can't be run on a current version of PHP. I paid for the scripts. The encoding is preventing a legit customer from using what they paid for and that's fucked up. If they weren't encoded I would still be able to use what I bought. I am never buying another encoded script...ever. Whoever encodes their software can forget me buying their scripts. That's a guaranteed lost sale. You act like every illegal copy of a script is a lost sale. Most of the people who steal software likely would never purchase anyway. Zend encoding is not a reliable way to protect code anyway since it can be broken so easily. For instance, core.php from uugallery took me about 2 seconds to crack. How is that protecting anything? |
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You will never convince me that piracy increases sales. ![]() Bottom line : You're in this mess because you bought some fucked up PHP to begin with. Buy PERL next time and your shit would still be running. Perl doesn't need an update because they already fixed all their bugs a log time ago.
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I'm just saying that programmers who want to sell software are going to try to protect their creative rights because nobody respects those rights. And I will add that the argument for decoded software would be best made by people who access the internet without Microsoft or Apple products. Because it's all encoded. So here we are, people are using encoded software to tell other programmers to stop doing it. And go broke in the process. Quit fucking stealing and it will all work out. Programmers need to raise the price of software to pay for their work since so many people are stealing and not buying. The low price of scripts is based on people buying and not stealing. A $50 script needs to sale for $3000 to fix the theft problem. Do you want to pay $3000? If not then encoding is a alternative.
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Would it be incorrect to say that a lot of these coders you speak of are no longer actively coding? Are they putting out new product in general? If they don't put out new product, I highly doubt they would care about updating old product. If they are putting out new product, then yes, they they probably should update old product but if the old product isn't really selling anymore, many will probably not care.
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I still don't understand the thinking that encoding a script protects it against theft. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed and I can decode those scripts in seconds. If I were a pirate I'd be posting that code all over the internet. |
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