Lets Put Democrat & Republican Ideology Aside For A Moment..

[marketsmart]

if you are a top 1% earner and above...

would you be willing to pay more taxes if there was solid reform in all govt spending, including the military?

would you be willing to pay more taxes if both private individuals and corporations were willing to step up to the plate and contribute more?

would you be willing to pay more taxes while the middle class and poor paid the same tax rate if it could be shown that doing so would contribute to more spending on goods by those classes and that the spending would trickle up to corporations and top individuals therefore increasing revenue and net profit?







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[Vendzilla]

Of course, but that makes sence and will never happen

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Of course, but that makes sence and will never happen

this is the problem..

people have been convinced that higher taxes are bad..

higher taxes are only bad when the money is just shit away..

i also laugh when middle class republicans get all excited about raising taxes when it wont effect them and democrats that get excited about raising taxes because they think they will get a monthly bonus check for the govt for doing nothing...

i wish people would wake up and realize that the more power we take away from the govt,the better off we will be as a country...

this possibility scares the shit out of the govt which is why they are trying to distract the people by getting them to subscribe to the "my team vs your team" mentality....

its time to take away the control the govt has with its people...







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[vsex]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

if you are a top 1% earner and above...

would you be willing to pay more taxes if there was solid reform in all govt spending, including the military?

would you be willing to pay more taxes if both private individuals and corporations were willing to step up to the plate and contribute more?

would you be willing to pay more taxes while the middle class and poor paid the same tax rate if it could be shown that doing so would contribute to more spending on goods by those classes and that the spending would trickle up to corporations and top individuals therefore increasing revenue and net profit?

Yes, and the government is too corrupt for it to happen.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by vsex

Yes, and the government is too corrupt for it to happen.

and when you get enough people to believe that, then change will happen...






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[Just Alex]

Wrong forum pal.

[epitome]

The reality is a lot of top 1% do not really care either way.

Everybody hopes to be rich and are staking their position thinking it will actually come true when the odds are stacked against them.

And contrary to what people here want to believe, there probably isn't even a handful of 1% that visit this board even though they want you to think otherwise.

[woj]

"could be shown"

when it comes to economics, nothing can be shown... if you take bunch of economists and ask them to explain effects of raising taxes, they'll have dozens of different conflicting opinions...

[Jman]

Someone needs to photoshop Obama as Robin Hood ;-)

[spazlabz]

yes I would be willing to pay higher taxes but I would expect a lot more from the government as well. I think that the government should view tax dollars as OUR MONEY, someone else's money that they are responsible for. They owe us to spend it as efficiently as possible, to be good caretakers of the money we earn. I do not mind spending but I do mind waste

[Dead]

The solution is the people, nothing more nothing less. Government was put into place to run the "business" which made it easier for the people to work hard and make a nation that they could trust and once knew that the beancounters would do their jobs to keep the flow, flowing. But the table has turned, the ones who trusted the government to do diligence are being screwed to the wall to afford their shortcomings.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

yes I would be willing to pay higher taxes but I would expect a lot more from the government as well. I think that the government should view tax dollars as OUR MONEY, someone else's money that they are responsible for. They owe us to spend it as efficiently as possible, to be good caretakers of the money we earn. I do not mind spending but I do mind waste

exactly...

good post...






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[L-Pink]

Here's what also needs to happen ...... Stop making me feel fucked!

I worked hard to get what I have and realize there are many less fortunate than myself. BUT, when you see a 300 lb mother buying crap food with food stamps for her litter of future high school drop outs ....

If you are able to drive a car, walk thru a 150,000 sq ft Wal-Mart all afternoon you should at least have to show up somewhere and do volunteer work. Some type of job that gets you involved in the society that is providing for you.

I pay for the housing voucher, the food stamps, the school the kids won't graduate from, the welfare check for new clothes, the FREE health care, etc ....

At least make it look like you have responsibility for the next generation of street urchins. The 25% school drop out rate is kids looking at their parents doing nothing and choosing that for a career path.

Helping someone get back on their feet to contribute to the society I belong to is a good investment. Aiding someone that has serious health/mental problems is what makes our country something to be proud of. Giving my money to low life's spawning more low life's is a slap in the face.

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[The Porn Nerd]

I know one thing: this "policy" of not raising taxes and making the rich richer is making America worse off.

REAGAN AMENDED: "Are you better off now than you were ten years ago? Five? Two?"

No
No
and
No

Conclusion: Therefore let's (drum roll please) RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH!!!!!!!!!!

And for those of you who say that won't work Peabody you idiot:
I say: Yeah, well what we've had goin' on for the past decade+ (see above comment) ain't workin' so stfu and let's try something DIFFERANT.

Carry on.
(I support everything MarketSmart stands for - except that animated GIF avatar. Jeez my eyes!!!)

[96ukssob]

IMO it will never happen that way. its the story of "well if they are not going to do it, either am I."

need to get this govt spending under control first, then reassure Americans that their tax money is going to good use.

I always thought it was fucked up that the gov't spends $150 on a $15 hammer because that is the "government price." costs are never negotiated, but they need to go from shopping on Rodeo drive to shopping at Walmart

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Again, we're too far gone. This last month I've been sounding like an anarchist, but it's time to face facts and understand. I don't complicate things and Occam's razor is almost never wrong unless you fall into reasoning. The point, people who've grown fat and diluted with entitlements can't help themselves and by proxy reaching for another to control their miserable lives. In short, they given up for whatever reason being their fault or not, hopeless situation, or true handicap.

Like a drug addict it has to get so unbearable they'll change or die unless they're truly handicap and deserve help. Our government and corporations have turned to enablers who manufacturer problems or products for their own agenda, regardless of the outcome.

In short, it's time for a crash and the people who've built great or normal lives have the principles to gain back very quickly and worth the risk to pull the plug and start over from the greater good.

Harsh? - No, I've been around the world and in places where there is ZERO opportunity as we Americans just throw it away because generations of people refuse to release their imposed entitlement of me to we.

And just this afternoon I had a news program on the radio. The topic, 25% drop out rate. 1 out of 4 in the next generation will be let lose on society with no chance of anything but a minimum wage job. A job that will make them ineligible for most aid programs. Programs that will pay out substantially more if they do nothing. And most min wage jobs don't provide health care. So why work?

You are correct, somehow this has to stop.
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[Just Alex]

I am sorry to break the discussion but out Republican friend from Houston that goes by name "The Demon" is doing his usual "Would you like fries with that" shift right now. Expect his comments around 9am tomorrow.

[DaddyHalbucks]

The Top 1% already pays 95% of the taxes.

The bottom 60% pays no taxes at all.

We are seeing the effects of punishing the rich right now in this economy; they aren't investing in new businesses and they aren't risking hiring people.

[Rochard]

The problem is the top 1% don't pay taxes. They have accountants to get out of paying taxes. I don't pay taxes; I write off everything including a percentage of my house because it's my workplace - and my power bill too. I also just write a hefty check to my kid's sports team, paying our fees and a lot more, and I'll write that off too as a "donation" to a "non profit organization". Perfectly legal.

[onwebcam]

This country was built without income taxes. The only reason we have them is because of the Federal Reserve. Income taxes collected go to paying the interest on the debt. The debt is created because the interest takes up all revenues which creates the need to borrow more to fund the federal government. A vicious circle that has to end. End the Fed, end the problem.

[PornoMonster]

"The Top 1% already pays 95% of the taxes."
"The problem is the top 1% don't pay taxes"

Which is it ?????

I wish I could find the links to the IRS website that showed the stats straight from the IRS.

[TheDoc]

We don't need to pay more, no level does, we could actually pay less in some areas - like in States, if the Gov/States/Local would stop spending in so many stupid ways.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Crak_JMan

Someone needs to photoshop Obama as Robin Hood ;-)

Is it so hard to google first

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

This country was built without income taxes. The only reason we have them is because of the Federal Reserve. Income taxes collected go to paying the interest on the debt. The debt is created because the interest takes up all revenues which creates the need to borrow more to fund the federal government. A vicious circle that has to end. End the Fed, end the problem.

We had income taxes before the fed reserve, for war reasons. Throughout history, our Gov has done some amazing things with our tax dollars that the private sector wasn't doing at all, so it's not all bad.

Income taxes pay public debts, on that std ridden circle jerk. Ending the reserve might be a bit extreme, if we could print our own money with no interest or stop applying interest to reserve notes, then at least the worst part is corrected.

Taxes are needed, it forces money flow. What's not needed is a bloated, over spending, out of control, run away Gov at every single level, that does very little if anything, that is truly in our best interest in todays World.

[alessergod]

What we need in the eyes of the right is a white one of us President. Fucking admit it. Why all of a sudden are we worried about these issues. Just 5 or so years ago the right was cumming all over themselves with Bush/Cheney and war/war/war and borrowing like there was no tomorrow. Remember Cheney's famous line? No not the one about being drunk when he shot his friend, the one when he said "Deficits don't matter".

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The Top 1% already pays 95% of the taxes.

The bottom 60% pays no taxes at all.

We are seeing the effects of punishing the rich right now in this economy; they aren't investing in new businesses and they aren't risking hiring people.

You may be right if you only claim income taxes but if you count the FICA tax you'd see that the top 5% of earners pay 0 FICA tax and that the Federal government receives more in revenues from FICA than from income taxes.

[LAJ]

I just laugh at the working class neo cons and teabaggers who are out there screaming "no more taxes"... "no gay marriage"... "no abortion" etc. It's because of deregulation and lower taxes and worrying more about social issues that have no impact on their own finances that put them on the lifelong path of never having any assets or health insurance, and always struggling. Since as a country we are only as strong as our weakest link... taxes when allocated correctly is a very good thing.

[The Porn Nerd]

Rich people, poor people, we're all FUCKED.
Carry on.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The problem is the top 1% don't pay taxes. They have accountants to get out of paying taxes. I don't pay taxes; I write off everything including a percentage of my house because it's my workplace - and my power bill too. I also just write a hefty check to my kid's sports team, paying our fees and a lot more, and I'll write that off too as a "donation" to a "non profit organization". Perfectly legal.

Got much guilt?

Do you add any value?

Do you indirectly or directly create jobs?

Do you spend money?

Do you pay your accountant?

Does your power company employ anyone?

[Vendzilla]

the government can't continue to spend ore oney that it brings in, it's not that I'm against raising taxes, it's that I'm against adding gasoline to the fire. It just burns brighter.
We need to operate the government to work for the people, not the other way around. It's gotten way too big

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

We had income taxes before the fed reserve, for war reasons. Throughout history, our Gov has done some amazing things with our tax dollars that the private sector wasn't doing at all, so it's not all bad.

Income taxes pay public debts, on that std ridden circle jerk. Ending the reserve might be a bit extreme, if we could print our own money with no interest or stop applying interest to reserve notes, then at least the worst part is corrected.

Taxes are needed, it forces money flow. What's not needed is a bloated, over spending, out of control, run away Gov at every single level, that does very little if anything, that is truly in our best interest in todays World.

For 6 years from 1862-1868.. Only businesses we're taxed after 1913 until the 1940's and it was said to only be temporary because of WWII. Sales tax is all that's needed and maybe an import tax.