Some ppl don't know whats really out there. Before I got into the porn industry I had no idea of half the stuff that was around.
Fags,trannies,lesbians etc... yeah those are ppl too...just incase you haden't noticed. We all make the world go round,every single one of us.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder :2 cents:
One mans garbage is anothers treasure.

*Dim the lights a bit, it'll be easier to open those eyes*

pink_in_the_middle - Just accept the fact that people have different opinions.

You think everyone is beautiful, fuzzy and nice. Super!

Other people don't share your view. Instead of insulting people who disagree with you, just move on.
Or as they say, agree to disagree.

I'm sorry do you know Christina personally?
You seem to know a lot about her.
Which celeb site did you read that off of? :1orglaugh

A retarded Christina Aguilera fan. Why am I not surprised.

Actually I don't think everyone is "fuzzy" . Everyone is beautiful. How you perceive ppl is all up to you :2 cents:

Done :glugglug

Actually no I'm not but good come back :thumbsup
I only like one of her songs.
I just find it funny how ppl think they know someone from the tabloids :1orglaugh

ok, since im so uneducated....enlighten me.

how is hitler beautiful?
how is the prick that raped my wifes brother in prison beautiful?
how is anyone who promotes hate beautful?

please, educate me.


oh, and since christina was just like skank brittany and was on the mickey mouse show.....tell me, do you think from that point till now she ever once had a real world job besides being an entertainer?

Have I ever said I know her, or know anything about her persona?

Some ppl have mantal problems. For some ppl that isn't their fault.
Yes EVERYONE screws up, some ppl make bigger mistakes then others but they're still human.

The issue was not about if Christina has had a "normal" job while she was/is a singer :2 cents:
I think it was about if she has ever had a "normal" job. And yes I think she did have a normal job before she bacome famous just like every other celebrity.

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BTW, for all those that think she is doing a "good job" by singing a song like that:

Her producers write her songs. Her producers realize that there are tons of insecure young girls who will buy a song that tells them: "You too are beautiful!".

At the same time, her producers are the ones responsible for the insecurity of those girls. They are the ones that only bring out music by attractive, slim people. They are the ones that feed the stereotype, creating an industry that teaches our children that being beautiful (and not in the sense of "everyone is beautiful") is the key to success, and that being beautiful means you have to look just like all the video stars/models/etc.
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Then how do you know this??

The point is the song sends a good message! Doesn't matter if her producer wrote it, If she was sucking off Redman after the video or if she got her 3% royaltees for it. :2 cents:

A quick search on Google will tell you that one Scott Storch is responsible for most of her music. Although the single "beautiful" was written by Linda Perry.

BTW, if you really believe the likes of Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, etc write their own music, you indeed are retarded.

Done :glugglug

Are you dumb or something?
The "good message" is comparable to a murderer saying "you should be kind to your fellow man".
The ones responsible for the whole unrealistic ideal in appearances, which drives millions of young girls to anorexia, bulimia, depression, etc., are the ones sending this "good message".

hehe... The song dirty... you think she has nothing to do with it...? shes a puppet!?? Guess again... she might not write the songs... since you cannot improvise being a talented writer but she CLEARLY told the writer what to write as far as subject/ideas/concept.... Probably same thing with beautiful... she said couple of times in interviews the song reflected her troubled youth and how she's coping with it, etc.. or something like that....

So who's retarded here....

You are. In so many ways, I won't even take the time to explain why - even the seconds it took to write this reply are wasted on someone with your intellectual capacities.

Haha, thats a good one.... I was thinking the same thing about this message:


"Are you dumb or something?
The "good message" is comparable to a murderer saying "you should be kind to your fellow man".
The ones responsible for the whole unrealistic ideal in appearances, which drives millions of young girls to anorexia, bulimia, depression, etc., are the ones sending this "good message"."


But I thought you might not have been intelligent enough to get it...
You seem to only be able to think on the surface... Try a little bit deeper... if you can.... You'll then see the light!!

Cat got your tongue :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

Look, the record companies don't give a shit about her life. All they care about is making money. Record companies know how to make money, they've been doing it for years, it's a formula, all they do is replicate.

All that pop shit on the radio? It was written by song writers with years of experience. Song writers who know what sells.

That's all that matters.

Once these "entertainers" lose their sex appeal and ability to shake their hips, they'll be thrown to the side like dozens before them.

Musicians who can write stay forever, musicians who can't don't last long.

You really go through amounts of trouble trying to prove that you really, really are retarded.

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Then:

Sly RJ.... yes that's happening with every new singers.... But then... when you become an established superstar... you can decide to call the shots... Christina he's doing it... Eminem, Pink (talked about it in couple of interviews)

You think the producers told her to get 11 piercings or something.. plus one on the clit... What else do you need to get that she's the one behind the song Dirtyyy!???

I assume with "deeper" you mean at the same level of Christina or Britney?

haha dude... you just proved Pink_in_the Middle's point....

How can you judge Christina's intelligence without knowing her....!?? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Have you ever seen her in interviews... she's more intelligent that 3/4 of people here... and you included Punkworld...

Calling the shots = "Well, I, like, totally not like bad things, like, that one time, when that guy was mean to me, and told me I was an ugly whore... I want a song about that!"

Then comes the producer, who writes a song which will appeal to many young teens, and will do his best to convince the "superstar" that that song really is about her.

And ehm... you really think they aren't trained for interviews and such, being told what to say? Just look at the similarities between all interviews with this kind of "superstar" and you might just catch on.

an interview going well makes her intelligent?

An interview going well....?
Are you joking?
Yes you can measure people intelligence or have a good idea in the way they are arguing debating...

(I was not talking about a 15 sec entertainment tonight interview!)

Have *you* seen her in interviews?? Many things about her may be fake, but the stupidity seems too real to be fake, as is the case with yours. Either she is a really good actor, or she is genuinely dumb.

So when was the last time you saw her in an interview talking about world politics or German expressionism in the 1920's?

no i wasnt joking.....but the kind of comparison your making is stupid. someone who is continually in front of large audiences and is coached on stage presence is certainly going to feel more comfortable in an interview and obviously would know how to handle themselves.
what issues have you seen christina debate?

I saw Christina on MTV's Diary...she won't step near a camera unless she's got her face on...if she is singing that everyone is beautiful why doesn't she show herself, no makeup, the real deal.....Same as Jennifer Lopez singing that she is "Jenny from the block" wearing a mink coat and stepping out of an escalade...

oh please, lets not start on jennifer lopez.....i really cant stand her at all.

Man... what are you doing...? You just keep proving pink in the middle's point....

You assume! You assume she is dumb as shit....
Why..?
And then you assume that all her answers were prepare without seing any interview...
How come britney spears look 10 times dumber than Christina in long(thought) interviews.... She's lazy and do not prepare..!?

Please... its easy to noticed if the responses come from you or others... especially in long interviews...

i'll agree that britney is probably 10 times dumber than christina......but that certainly doesnt make christina intelligent.

Amount of time spent on her knees.
Amount of time spent on her back.
Amount of time spent in classroom.
Amount of time in dance class.
Amount of time in drama class.
Amount of time in singing class.
Amount of time spent learning about the War of 1812, Battle of new Orleans and other worldly events.
Amount of time debation arguments about civil rights, or freedom of man.

Where do you think she spent most of her time?

As Fletch would say "Dance" :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Besides being rather gullible, you also assume quite a bit. Who says I have never seen an interview with her?

And, what exactly were the topics of those interviews you are talking about? You are making it seem like she spent hours talking about the EPR-paradox, Kantian ethics, the cultural implications of postmodernism, and world politics.

Haha... common now...
Politics... economy.... = intelligence...? Dude, this is what I was talking about with Surface....

Knowledge is not intelligence.... Intelligence is the way your brain work.... You can debate about light subjects and show your intelligence....


and BigFRog... what are you talking about dude...? Im not talking about how you are confortable in front of the camera... but what you say.... even if you are confortable in front of the camera... doesnt mean you'll say something that make sens

Well, you said earlier on this thread .. to pInk in the middle...
"Have I ever said I know her, or know anything about her persona?"

Im I assuming... if yes... your not very clear!

When was the last time you ever heard of any pop singer talking about those things??? LOL

lol
this is quite the odd topic. i cant believe im debating christina aguileras intelligence.....
*sigh*

well, you didnt answer my question.....sooooo
what did she say that made her 'sound' so intelligent to you?
and yes, being comfortable in an interview can do alot to make you come off as knowing what the hell you are talking about.
i can go into an interview and talk about things which i have no concept of yet still appear as if i know what i'm talking about as long as im comfortable talking to a complete stranger.
but maybe that's just me....

Ah, so - unlike all contemporary philosophers, psychologists, neurologists, etc. - you <b>do</b> know exactly what intelligence is?

Well, at present, the most commonly accepted definition is not "the way your brain work", but "the ability to recognize logical structures in empirical data and form abstract theories accordingly". So, how exactly did she show this?
Really, you keep going on and on about how "in her interviews" she "displays great intelligence", but fail to provide us with any evidence or even examples. So, at the very least, tell us exactly what she said that makes you consider her intelligent.


And, as a sidenote: coaching for interviews goes farther than just training the ability to speak in public.

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Zig Ziglar, and L Ron Hubbard's Dianetics helped me face all my speaking fears!

The Science of Mental Capabilities.

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All the stars hang out at the Scientology building in Hollywood, I pass there all the time.

hahah

Actually, there are many musicians that extend their thoughts further than just "does this make me look fat?". The fact that you don't know this just shows us what type of musicians you are interested in.

Zack De la Rocha, and Chris Novoselic to name 2.

Eh nevermind, being an activist doesnt make ya smart.

hahah

Yeah, that just you dude... sorry...

and to answer your question... she was talking about women sexuality... seen by society, men and women, double standards...
If what she's doing bad or not for teens... If she is pressured to do whatever by Producers, etc...

Yes you can be coach for small interviews, quick answers... But if you dont have the intelligence for tha 3rd 4th sub questions... you'll just get killed there...

surely zig's not a scientologist?

he's a bible basher

I'm not sure the two are compatible

I didnt say he was, or that they were compatible.

I said his course helps with positive things, and can address fear in speaking.

All said, was I used them both, simple as that.

hey! looky what i found :)
man, i must be bored.....but hey, i was right.....she hasnt worked a regular job in her life.

"....and then, at twelve, she joined the ensemble cast of 'The New Mickey Mouse Club,' appearing on the Orlando-based show along with future stars Britney Spears, J.C. and Justin of 'N Sync, and Keri Russell of 'Felicity.' After two years, the show ended and Christina got the opportunity to travel overseas to further hone her musical skills. In 1997, Christina performed in places as far flung as Tokyo, Japan and Brasov, Romania, but always with her eye on the same goal. 'I always wanted to have my own album recorded and released before I graduated high school,' says Christina. She certainly took quick strides toward that goal.

In early 1998, after finishing some demos and shopping for a record deal, Christina auditioned to sing 'Reflection' for Disney's animated film 'Mulan.' The filmmakers needed someone 'who could hit a high E above middle C,' according to Christina, who then cut a one-take demo in her living room singing to a karaoke tape of Whitney Houston's 'I Wanna Run To You.' The demo was rushed to Disney, and within a day, Christina was in a Los Angeles studio recording 'Reflection.' That same week, RCA Records signed her to a record contract. 'Mulan' premiered in June 1998, and 'Reflection' turned into a Top 15 A/C single, with Christina performing it live on 'CBS This Morning' and the 'Donnie & Marie Show.' The single went on to garner a Golden Globe Nomination for Best Original Song in a Motion Picture and Christina the attention of some of the best writers and producers in the industry."

silver spoon.....thru and thru

You used dianetics?

worrying

You can also be coached for large, "deep" interviews. For instance, there are courses for politicians in "How to come over as saying a lot while you're actually saying nothing". (No, really, it's true)