Overture reviewers are such a nasty pricks playing gods!

[McSpike]

Of all the PPC engines around Overture's reviewers are the nastiest piece of scum.

If submitting a term by term one by one wasn't enough of a pain they simply declined all my terms submitted giving all the possible reasons they could find.

One that bothers me the MOST is being declined because the term submitted is not fully adult when it's 100% adult. They declined terms for this reason like:
- free lesbian porn videos
- free lesbo sex movies

What a fucking morons they are!! What does a word "porn" and "sex" reflect to you if not a clear adult term?! Total pricks!
These were just 2 of the 80% clear adult terms that were rejected for this reason.

Now here comes the best part. Terms like these were accepted:
- free lesbian sex videos
- free lesbian sex pictures

What makes them any different from those 2 above so they weren't just simply rejected for no reason as well?

Oh and those last 2 weren't rejected for not being adult but suckers found another reason: "having no disclaimer on the FPA page that the models are at least 18 years old"... what a load of bullshit.

Last time I submitted no one asked for disclaimer.

Okay I can live with this disclaimer fine. Add the poor stupid line to the page and submit again, but why bother if terms like "free lesbian sex videos" get rejected because they are "not adult terms".

I have a feeling that there are corupt adult webmasters doing reviews and fucking every possible competition in the ass as hard as they can.

None of the PPCs I have dealt with have treated me with such a cocksucking service like Overture.

Has anything like that ever happened to you and what have you done about it? Would bitching to their support help? Who should we report this problem to? Are there any emails to report their rotten reviewers?

Man I am so pissed! Wasting time submitting where they offer no mass submission options if you don't burn $60k per year and then being slapped in the face, puked on and kicked in the ass for nothing.

[WiredGuy]

I know your frustrations but there's one thing your not getting. Overture has a "master" adult keyword list. If the term your submitting is not on this list, you will not get accepted, point final, no way around it. What words are on this list are considered a trade secret to Overture which is annoying but learn to live with it if you want their traffic. For new advertisers this is a very frustrating process but it's a barrier to entry.

WG

[x-vision]

I got the word 3D Porn rejected for not being adult. I asked them what about the word porn was not adult and they replied that particular word was not in their database.

[dotcom]

Hi McSpike,

You say your term "free lesbian porn videos" was declined for not being 100% adult?

Just email overture and ask them to explain why there are 4 other sites allowed to bid on the term and you are not.

[wimpy]

I got this one:

"Adult personals" is not an adult term
~Overture Editor

[Dildozer]

overture sucks gay donkey ass
fuck them

[pr0]

Originally posted by Dildozer
overture sucks gay donkey ass
fuck them

certainly not straight goat ass though

[twistyneck]

Jesus, they sound like a bunch of retards over there.

[NetRodent]

I'm so glad we got most of our sites listed with Goto when they were small. They used to take almost anything as long as it was vaguely relevent. I half believe that they turned into pricks because we kept sending them keywords lists of 15k+ and would then complain when they hadn't listed the sites in the specified amount of time. Sorry guys.

[Tipsy]

In the earlier days of goto they were good to work with. I've not used them since they became so anal and wont be in the forseeable future. Maybe I'm losing out but then I've other ways to make money that don't involve pandering to the whims of fools so fuck 'em.

[bhutocracy]

It's retarded, but if it's not on the list already you don't get it..
I can't think of anything more stupid especially considering that new niches, markets and terms for both those and existing markets are being developed every year. How are surfers going to find the new "smoking porn" or whatever niche rises from relative obscurity to become semi popular?

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
It's retarded, but if it's not on the list already you don't get it..
I can't think of anything more stupid especially considering that new niches, markets and terms for both those and existing markets are being developed every year. How are surfers going to find the new "smoking porn" or whatever niche rises from relative obscurity to become semi popular?

Every quarter they update their list. Of course it makes it hard to get in on hot niches but what choice do we webmasters have. This is the way that Overture wants to work and we have a choice, live with it or goto another search engine...

WG

[besterman]

overture is quite strict.

The best way to get accepted is to bid on terms that already have ONE OR MORE bidders. It is an almost guaranteed inclusion.

In other words, stay away from terms nobody has bid on.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by WiredGuy


Every quarter they update their list. Of course it makes it hard to get in on hot niches but what choice do we webmasters have. This is the way that Overture wants to work and we have a choice, live with it or goto another search engine...

WG

every quarter? hmm.. is that new?.. eh maybe the overture guy I spoke to was just some lackey that didn't know shite. Every 3 months is pretty often and doesn't explain some of the terms that have a thousand people searching for them are fairly old but are unbiddable.. doesn't change the fact they are a nightmare to work with.. you'd think with their shareprice, and the fact that we are their income we'd be treated with a modicum of help and respect. their traffic isn't THAT good..

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by bhutocracy


every quarter? hmm.. is that new?.. eh maybe the overture guy I spoke to was just some lackey that didn't know shite. Every 3 months is pretty often and doesn't explain some of the terms that have a thousand people searching for them are fairly old but are unbiddable.. doesn't change the fact they are a nightmare to work with.. you'd think with their shareprice, and the fact that we are their income we'd be treated with a modicum of help and respect. their traffic isn't THAT good..

Couldn't agree more, they're a hassle to work with but they get more friendly once you start spending big bills with them. However their quality has hit a slump in the past month or so and at this rate we're not looking to renew traffic agreements with them so they really need to get their act together and fast.

WG

[Scootermuze]

They sound like the kind of people that if you move their fork, they'll starve to death...
Mechanical reviewers..

get keywords..
bounce keywords against list..
if not on list.. decline--

No brain power to realize that adding words to the list means more terms to bid on.. meaning more bucks..

[Choder]

I agree. Overture is annoying as hell.

[UncleJimmy]

I used to blow a phat chunk of change with them, then they turned into pricks, then their quality went down the drain in a few areas, hopefully they turn around one day or some worthy competition pops up soon.

[WiredGuy]

If you think getting listed is hard, try staying listed. They have this thing they like to call "Click Index Performance" (fancy word for clickthru tracking). If your listings are underperforming (and they won't say what they consider underperforming), they'll remove your listings and tell you to resubmit them with a more targetted ad-copy.

Getting listed on Overture is just half the battle, staying listed is the next challenge. Like I said, they have a large volume of traffic and they used to be great, but lately we're questioning if its worth the hassle...

WG

[slapass]

Glad to see I am not the only irritated with these guys.

[UncleJimmy]

Originally posted by WiredGuy
they have a large volume of traffic and they used to be great, but lately we're questioning if its worth the hassle...

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by UncleJimmy

A lot of people are abandonning them though that its driving their prices lower and it starts to make them look good again though. It's a tough battle, but I would say about 80% of their niche traffic isn't worth it anymore, but their volume is quite attractive.

WG

[UncleJimmy]

That's the catch though, they lure you in with the volume hits, but the performance has GOT to be there to make it worth the while....just like you said, that is 100% the deal with them right now...

hopefully those prices start dropping to realistic rates....they ballooned up almost as bad as the fucking Real Estate market is now LOL!

[xxxinnovations]

I've never gotten onto their search engines with my terms yet... tried like 15 times... fuckers

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by WiredGuy


A lot of people are abandonning them though that its driving their prices lower and it starts to make them look good again though. It's a tough battle, but I would say about 80% of their niche traffic isn't worth it anymore, but their volume is quite attractive.

WG

i do alright with them...but it is diificult to keep a proper cpa when going for volume...i have tried several strategies...im sure there are more tips i could pick up to optimize a bit more though

never had an issue with customer service...i had to call once and they picked up right away...she was friendly and solved it on the spot.

so wired....lemme in on some of the good stuff

[Luc]

I have noticed two things with Overture.

1. If you have $500+ in your account your reviews will
go through A LOT faster. Mine are usually done in 48
hours tops.

2. You are likely to get approved for most of the keywords
you submit.

I've noticed this on two overture accounts I have had over
the past few months. I keep on charged up in the $500+
range while the other is in the $70 range.

The $500 always goes through a lot faster on support,
reviews and approvals.

Luc L.

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by Phoenix
so wired....lemme in on some of the good stuff

It seems to be all about the niche. I'll probably not renew my teen, hardcore or other mainstream accounts with them for a while, or i'll just lower the bids lower (again). All my niche traffic is converting marginally but your right, volume is where its at and its tough with Overture over the past month I find to make a decent ROI. The cpa is really dropping quite low with them and we've been hit hard especially on non-targetted keywords in my opinion. My niche accounts are doing reasonable still, but it seems they've been on a downward slide in recent weeks and I wouldn't be surprised if it kept going down for a while longer.

As for my real good stuff, those are my little secrets... with those secrets, my job would be eliminated. After all, Overture would rather work directly with the affiliate programs and so would the affiliate programs to cut out the middle man checks. I like being the middle man so I gotta keep my job :-)

WG

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by Luc
I have noticed two things with Overture.

1. If you have $500+ in your account your reviews will
go through A LOT faster. Mine are usually done in 48
hours tops.

Luc L.

This isn't necessarily true. If your a new account, you get a little boost in terms of time to get reviewed. If your a gold or platinum account you also get precedence. But all clients are usually handled in 3 business days. One thing I noticed is this is also dependent on volume of keywords you submit. If you submit around 10-400 keywords per session, you'll get processed within 2-3 business days. Submit more keywords and it takes longer, I once had to wait about 7 business days when I submitted a large account but generally you won't wait more than a week or two at most. Acceptance rate I find goes down when there's more keywords that needs to be reviewed, so I tend to submit my keywords in batches of 300 or so to ensure maximum chances of getting submitted.

WG

[DTK]

Sounds like "DMOZ: The Sequel"

[clickpimp]

good thread!! we don't have the Overture volume for sure ... but we're getting there, and our listing process is pretty simple and adult webmaster friendly.

pretty much anything goes as long as your title and description don't have full URLs or phone numbers in them. keywords need to relate to some degree with the submitted URL - and we hand check every submission and new key terms added.

again, it's not the volume of Overture yet, but Sex.com gives you a very targeted pay per click adult surfer and a page of hardcoded key words (on main page) that get most of the clicks.

pretty simple - and we actually like working with clients and helping them come up with a formula that works.

hit me up and we can talk ...

[seven]

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I know your frustrations but there's one thing your not getting. Overture has a "master" adult keyword list. If the term your submitting is not on this list, you will not get accepted, point final, no way around it.

Not true, if a word is not in their list intimidate them and they will add it to their adult word list in their next update. After all, most of them are new hires therefore over-sincere who don't know about a lot of adult terms but want to prove to be a good worker. But honestly, they are a pain in the ass besides I get better traffic for much cheaper at the other places.

[WiredGuy]

That's true that they will add it to be reviewed for their next update, but as a webmaster are you willing to wait a couple weeks (12-16) and then re-submit? Not likely... and I find their employees are just quick to reject some listings, when you appeal the rejection they might consider adding it to their next update but its a rare thing to happen. More than likely they'll just find a keyword already in their system and have their match driver kick in and map to a popular keyword to inflate the prices.

WG

[McSpike]

You know what bothers me the most? That "free lesbian porn videos" is on the list and "free lesbian sex videos" is not. At least if those 2 were compared to their list of approved terms. If not, then it was a personal decision of a reviewer to rape me in the ass.

Next, which is even more odd, is that with my former submission I got accepted terms "lesbian" and "lesbo" for which one should never get accepted! Their list of accepted terms sure doesn't have that term on their accepted terms list so I guess this was just a personal decision again - this time of some drunk reviewer.

This double rules piss me off.

The fact that you get more attention if you spend more money is true. They say that. You get higher status and with it everything is faster.

I can't understand why they hide their list of acepted terms. To make it harder on us to get listed? Like the whole world runs around Overture.

I am gonna ask them about this list.

[McSpike]

Sure rape me for consoles this time! God damn it. I got rejected for "Spawning". They describe this as:
"Advertisers? sites may spawn one partial window from the page to which their search listing links."

I got rejected for that with my former submission. I had 1 single unchained exit console which opened blurred and popped up 3 seconds later. I changed my console so it covers only half of the screen now. So it's partial window, right?

Eeeeeeeee! Spawning! Rejected! Fuck em motherfuckers! What does a partial window mean then?

How big consoles do you open if even and get accepted?

[vegasdude]

morning peeps,

I have great success with adwords and they are very friendly and help.

now I do porn and gambling and what frustates me is the high minimum prices on gambling terms served from the states... but I had a little help from an emplyee of them and she teached me a little trick (legal that is)...

porn is still tough to make profitable IF you dont have your own paysite... but I have found ROI to be magical on my mainstream products and gambling!

So try out adwords!

Vegas

[vegasdude]

ohh WG did you have a chance to look at my icqs ? (about the weird stuff happening)

[McSpike]

ya adwords and all the rest are okay to work with...

btw, vegasdude, what mainstream stuff do you sell?

[PornBroker]

I have found Overture *extremely* frustrating to work with.
Their editors suck!
There are far easier and cheaper ways to spend your money with ppc,
where you don't have to suck dick first!
I cancelled my accounts 12 months ago.

[PornBroker]

Thanks WiredGuy, always a pleasure to read your informative comments on SE's

[vegasdude]

Originally posted by McSpike
ya adwords and all the rest are okay to work with...

btw, vegasdude, what mainstream stuff do you sell?

www.roulettebucks.com is my gambling ebook... sells at $47

got a new one in the works and a few other "secret" products..heh

[McSpike]

heh, what about top bidding on all submitted terms just so they accept you all happy thinking you are gonna spend a million and then you chop them down to what you want once accepted?

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by vegasdude
ohh WG did you have a chance to look at my icqs ? (about the weird stuff happening)

Don't ICQ me when I'm not around, ICQ has a tendency to forget apparently... check to make sure i'm online first (and available) and then hit me up since I didn't get your ICQ.

PornBroker> Your welcome dude :-)

WG

[FreeNetPass Dave]

I don't have the energy anymore with overture other than to say they have been complete A-holes for the last 2 years, regardless of how much I spend there. I have pretty much given up.

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by FreeNetPass Dave
I don't have the energy anymore with overture other than to say they have been complete A-holes for the last 2 years, regardless of how much I spend there. I have pretty much given up.

Let me take care of the traffic from Overture for your new pornstar sites :-)

Seriously, I got that slated for next week for FNP so don't worry too much about Overture traffic for Jenna, Briana and Jill's sites. I'll get listings over there in 2-3 weeks for you (under my refcode of course)...

Cheers
WG