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  • gideongallery
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    • Aug 2003
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    #1

    Suppressed Report Found Busted Pirate are good consumers

    The study, which was carried out by Society for Consumer Research (GfK), found that users of pirate sites including Kino.to did not fit the copyright lobby-painted stereotype of parasites who take and never give back.

    This, the survey claims, leads pirate site users to buy more DVDs, visit the cinema more often and on average spend more than their ?honest? counterparts at the box office.

    ?The users often buy a ticket to the expensive weekend-days,? the report notes.

    In the past similar studies have revealed that the same is true for music. People who pirate a lot of music buy significantly more music that those who don?t.
    http://torrentfreak.com/suppressed-r...sumers-110719/

    “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak
  • PornGreen
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    • Nov 2010
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    #2
    bank robbers use banks too

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    • Agent 488
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      • Feb 2006
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      #3
      those reports are funny. i don't know anyone whose paid for song since napster. maybe the odd person will buy some itunes.

      they are not suppressed, similar ones are released a few times every year.

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      • JamesGw
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        • Apr 2011
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        #4
        I buy CDs all the time. I just picked up the entire Iron Maiden discography, actually.
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        • AdultKing
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          • Jun 2003
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          #5
          GideonGallery has completed the Sally Rand Diploma of Cut & Paste Excellence!

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          • blackmonsters
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            • Nov 2002
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            #6
            Originally posted by PornGreen
            bank robbers use banks too
            Yep, it's sorta like the rapist who one time paid a whore.
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            • TheSquealer
              Mayor of Thneedville
              • Oct 2004
              • 26172

              #7
              Haha... type "Society for Consumer Research" in google.

              Results found = 0

              what a shocker... NOT!

              Obviously a real organization with some credibility and not the propaganda of a bunch of thieving assholes.
              .
              Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

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              • newB
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                • Jul 2006
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                #8
                Originally posted by TheSquealer
                Haha... type "Society for Consumer Research" in google.

                Results found = 0

                what a shocker... NOT!

                Obviously a real organization with some credibility and not the propaganda of a bunch of thieving assholes.
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GfK

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                • TheSquealer
                  Mayor of Thneedville
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 26172

                  #9
                  Originally posted by newB
                  Jesus, thats a hell of a thing to not show up in Google.
                  .
                  Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                  Rochard

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                  • 96ukssob
                    So Fucking Banananananas
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 12991

                    #10
                    true story: a friend of a friend of mine used to run a pretty larger server to supply movies and content. you had to pay a monthly premium and you could download as much as you want.

                    turns out he got busted and got shafted pretty hard. big fines and did some jail time. wife left him and took his kids. lost his house and his parents wouldnt let him move back in with them.

                    never was worth it IMO to go through that, so since then Ive always purchased what I wanted. probably spent $1,000's in iTunes and on movies but at the end of the day, I can sleep at night
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                    • L-Pink
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                      • Mar 2005
                      • 39151

                      #11
                      I buy a lot of liquor so stealing some beer is ok now! Great news!

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                      • Agent 488
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                        • Feb 2006
                        • 22511

                        #12
                        http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid...onsumforschung

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                        • L-Pink
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                          • Mar 2005
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by bossku69
                          so since then Ive always purchased what I wanted. probably spent $1,000's in iTunes and on movies but at the end of the day, I can sleep at night
                          And what made an entire generation suddenly think music and movies were supposed to be free?

                          .

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                          • gideongallery
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by L-Pink
                            And what made an entire generation suddenly think music and movies were supposed to be free?

                            .
                            you see there was this thing called a radio

                            it allows you to listen to songs for free so you could decide what songs you liked and buy those artist albums

                            there are a lot of people like my self who use the torrents just like a radio

                            and btw live in a country with a piracy tax which totally legalizes that "choice"

                            “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                            • Serge Litehead
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                              • Dec 2002
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                              #15
                              if all people who pirate shit would pay for it - there would be no issue with piracy.
                              the way it works now 1 pirate out of 1000s pays, distributes it and lets freeloaders ride the bandwagon for free without them paying into it.
                              Last edited by Serge Litehead; 07-19-2011, 10:32 AM.

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                              • L-Pink
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                                • Mar 2005
                                • 39151

                                #16
                                Originally posted by gideongallery
                                you see there was this thing called a radio

                                it allows you to listen to songs for free so you could decide what songs you liked and buy those artist albums

                                there are a lot of people like my self who use the torrents just like a radio

                                and btw live in a country with a piracy tax which totally legalizes that "choice"
                                Incorrect, that free music was being paid for by the radio station with each song played. The torrent has not paid a royalty for the music they distribute.

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                                • Captain Kawaii
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Oct 2007
                                  • 6748

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by L-Pink
                                  And what made an entire generation suddenly think music and movies were supposed to be free?

                                  .
                                  The scumbag upbringing their scumbag parents gave them...lol

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                                  • Rochard
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                                    • Dec 2001
                                    • 75733

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by PornGreen
                                    bank robbers use banks too
                                    That's exactly what I was thinking.
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                                    • marketsmart
                                      HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                      • Dec 2004
                                      • 20419

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                      Yep, it's sorta like the rapist who one time paid a whore.
                                      dude, leave me out of this...

                                      i didnt do anything to you...






                                      .

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                                      • L-Pink
                                        working on my tan
                                        • Mar 2005
                                        • 39151

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by marketsmart
                                        dude, leave me out of this...

                                        i didnt do anything to you...
                                        .


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                                        • Anthony
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                                          • Feb 2001
                                          • 9653

                                          #21
                                          I see d/l'ing as a natural progression from back in the day when you had a boom box, and when you heard a song you liked, you hit record on your cassette.

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                                          • PiracyPitbull
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                                            • Jan 2011
                                            • 583

                                            #22
                                            Oooh, a survey conducted with downloaders

                                            Now that's a survey guaranteed to be full of honest answers.
                                            http://www.piracypitbull.com

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                                            • gideongallery
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by L-Pink
                                              Incorrect, that free music was being paid for by the radio station with each song played. The torrent has not paid a royalty for the music they distribute.
                                              what exactly about

                                              btw live in a country with a piracy tax which totally legalizes that "choice"
                                              do you not understand

                                              canada supreme court has recognized this payment as the fulfilment of a contract that legalizes p2p music trading like the royalties legalize the radio

                                              there are other country which have a wider piracy tax

                                              “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                              • gideongallery
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by MrBottomTooth
                                                Except once you "use the torrent to listen to music like a radio", there is no reason to go out and purchase it since you already have a copy of it that is indistinguishable from the retail version, other than some packaging.

                                                I used to record songs off the radio when I was a kid, but would eventually buy the real cassette since it sounded better and was more convenient, etc. No reason to do that anymore with lossless digital copies.
                                                83% conversion rates prove you wrong

                                                that the percentage of people who were given the song and were convinced to buy a song (including in many cases the song they already got) because of a reason you believe doesn't exist.

                                                “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                                • Serge Litehead
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                                                  #25
                                                  gideon has advanced tracking mechanism, he has all these precise stat numbers, who buys what, who downloads what, who subscribes to what, who licenses what, who converted after, all throughout the world, from all places, sites and people! its 53% legit use of torrents he says, very precise mechanism!

                                                  but he can't track who the person was that made illegitimate download based on IP
                                                  Last edited by Serge Litehead; 07-19-2011, 01:16 PM.

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                                                  • seeandsee
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                                                    #26
                                                    some people pay for stuff even if they are pirates lol :D
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                                                    • _Richard_
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                                                      • Oct 2006
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by MrBottomTooth

                                                      I used to record songs off the radio when I was a kid, but would eventually buy the real cassette since it sounded better and was more convenient, etc. No reason to do that anymore with lossless digital copies.
                                                      i was under the impression cds had way better sound quality than mp3/mp4? owning something via mp3 is no comparison to having it on disk

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                                                      • Serge Litehead
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                        i was under the impression cds had way better sound quality than mp3/mp4? owning something via mp3 is no comparison to having it on disk
                                                        Google: lossless audio formats

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                                                        • Serge Litehead
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                                                          #29
                                                          OT speaking of CDs they are far from top audio quality

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                                                          • gideongallery
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by holograph
                                                            gideon has advanced tracking mechanism, he has all these precise stat numbers, who buys what, who downloads what, who subscribes to what, who licenses what, who converted after, all throughout the world, from all places, sites and people! its 53% legit use of torrents he says, very precise mechanism!

                                                            but he can't track who the person was that made illegitimate download based on IP
                                                            sure their may be a little shift because of people sharing beyond the scope of the private tracker (setup properly)

                                                            but these were UNKNOWN artist so that shift is minimal at best.

                                                            “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                                            • Serge Litehead
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                                                              • Dec 2002
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                                                              #31
                                                              regarding downloads:
                                                              you cannot successfully claim who are legitimate users and who are not.

                                                              until there will be some sort of license validating mechanism for all people and all content, your stats are simply pulled out of thin air.

                                                              don't even know how the fuck you end up talking about artists in reply to my comment

                                                              regarding your 83% in particular:

                                                              > that the percentage of people who were given the song and were convinced to buy a song

                                                              how can you know this???? lets say there is person X gave song to person Z, they don't report this to anyone, how do you know they shared something and if person Z bought this song after all or not? hows your 83% account for millions people who you have know idea what they share and what they buy and how you correlate this unknown sharing number with buying numbers?

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                                                              • Joshua G
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                                                                • Jul 2008
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                                                                #32
                                                                laugh out mother fucking loud.

                                                                If tube views created sales, everyone on this board would be a billionaire.

                                                                LOL LOL LOL.

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                                                                • gideongallery
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by holograph
                                                                  regarding downloads:
                                                                  you cannot successfully claim who are legitimate users and who are not.

                                                                  until there will be some sort of license validating mechanism for all people and all content, your stats are simply pulled out of thin air.

                                                                  don't even know how the fuck you end up talking about artists in reply to my comment

                                                                  regarding your 83% in particular:

                                                                  > that the percentage of people who were given the song and were convinced to buy a song

                                                                  how can you know this???? lets say there is person X gave song to person Z, they don't report this to anyone, how do you know they shared something and if person Z bought this song after all or not? hows your 83% account for millions people who you have know idea what they share and what they buy and how you correlate this unknown sharing number with buying numbers?
                                                                  1. you don't understand how to setup a private tracker properly

                                                                  2. you don't know how to pull the logs off public trackers

                                                                  3. your too stupid to realize that while an ip address is not a person, it can be counted

                                                                  4. sales can be counted

                                                                  5. sales /ip count can give you a percentage.

                                                                  “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                                                  • L-Pink
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                                                                    • Mar 2005
                                                                    • 39151

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                                    sure their may be a little shift because of people sharing beyond the scope of the private tracker (setup properly)

                                                                    but these were UNKNOWN artist so that shift is minimal at best.

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                                                                    • blackmonsters
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                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                      • 20961

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                                      you see there was this thing called a radio

                                                                      it allows you to listen to songs for free so you could decide what songs you liked and buy those artist albums

                                                                      there are a lot of people like my self who use the torrents just like a radio

                                                                      and btw live in a country with a piracy tax which totally legalizes that "choice"

                                                                      Radio stations pay royalties to ASCAP and BMI.

                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCAP

                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_Music,_Inc.


                                                                      You wouldn't be a pirate if you paid royalties.


                                                                      You really don't know as much as you think you do.

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                                                                      • Serge Litehead
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                                        1. you don't understand how to setup a private tracker properly

                                                                        2. you don't know how to pull the logs off public trackers

                                                                        3. your too stupid to realize that while an ip address is not a person, it can be counted

                                                                        4. sales can be counted

                                                                        5. sales /ip count can give you a percentage.
                                                                        you know too much about me, did all of that tell you your magical stats software?

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                                                                        • blackmonsters
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                          I see d/l'ing as a natural progression from back in the day when you had a boom box, and when you heard a song you liked, you hit record on your cassette.
                                                                          See above post.
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                                                                          • Serge Litehead
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            can you tell me how much torrents pull in bandwidth for tv shows, movies?
                                                                            how many copyrighted software being downloaded illegally, music and games?
                                                                            check those particular stats if you have all that setup to check, since you fail to see trackers top lists and what's on there

                                                                            gather full data, and btw you can't compare bandwidth for video used with anything else.. that why i formulated above first two questions the way I did

                                                                            then get back to us. so far you're pulling numbers out of nowhere
                                                                            Last edited by Serge Litehead; 07-19-2011, 06:28 PM.

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                                                                            • epitome
                                                                              So Fucking Lame
                                                                              • Jun 2009
                                                                              • 12156

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Gideon should go work for. XXX

                                                                              I think he actually believes the BS he spews.

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                                                                              • L-Pink
                                                                                working on my tan
                                                                                • Mar 2005
                                                                                • 39151

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Any astute business owner knows theft is good for his business ...... right gideon?

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                                                                                • SmokeyTheBear
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                                                                                  • Jun 2004
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  lol @ gideons bullshit..

                                                                                  in other news.. a recent poll of liars found that 90% of liars , told the truth..
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                                                                                  • munki
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                                                                                    • Dec 2004
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                                                    dude, leave me out of this...

                                                                                    i didnt do anything to you...






                                                                                    .

                                                                                    I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.” -Oscar Wilde

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                                                                                    • gideongallery
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by MrBottomTooth
                                                                                      What a bunch of BS. How do you explain the decline in sales? If 83% of the people that were pirating music out there went out and bought the CD or tracks online afterwards the music industry wouldn't be in the state it is now.
                                                                                      that statement was in response to

                                                                                      there is no reason to go out and purchase it since you already have a copy of it that is indistinguishable from the retail version, other than some packaging.

                                                                                      I used to record songs off the radio when I was a kid, but would eventually buy the real cassette since it sounded better and was more convenient, etc. No reason to do that anymore with lossless digital copies.
                                                                                      you were arguing no one would buy because the pirated copy was so good

                                                                                      i am talking about the way i teach musicians to market to pirates

                                                                                      it possible to get 83% rate by giving away the music and asking them the right way to pay if they like it.
                                                                                      Last edited by gideongallery; 07-20-2011, 04:20 AM.

                                                                                      “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                                                                      • gideongallery
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                                        Radio stations pay royalties to ASCAP and BMI.

                                                                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCAP

                                                                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_Music,_Inc.


                                                                                        You wouldn't be a pirate if you paid royalties.


                                                                                        You really don't know as much as you think you do.

                                                                                        and canadians pay a royalty thru a piracy tax for all pirated music

                                                                                        that the point

                                                                                        i do pay royalties for all the music i download from torrents

                                                                                        “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                                                                        • pornguy
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                                                                                          • Mar 2003
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          admitting to a company even like that, that you have no problem taking stolen music and movies etc is confessing to a crime. I am sure they get honest answers when asking people.
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                                                                                          • wehateporn
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Myself, I'd be lost without the BBC iPlayer, but I do pay my TV License (they'd send the Gestapo if I didn't). There's always plenty of stuff I enjoy on there

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                                                                                            • L-Pink
                                                                                              working on my tan
                                                                                              • Mar 2005
                                                                                              • 39151

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by gideongallery
                                                                                              and canadians pay a royalty thru a piracy tax for all pirated music

                                                                                              that the point

                                                                                              i do pay royalties for all the music i download from torrents
                                                                                              Educate me, when you download Barry Manilow's greatest hits from a torrent site how does the Canadian government make sure he is compensated?

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                                                                                              • DamianJ
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I wonder how long it would take for Gideon to stop posting bollocks here if everyone ignored him? Could we all make a pact? Go on.

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                                                                                                • DamianJ
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Fiddy people being trolled by a loony.

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                                                                                                  • gideongallery
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                                    Educate me, when you download Barry Manilow's greatest hits from a torrent site how does the Canadian government make sure he is compensated?

                                                                                                    .
                                                                                                    http://neil.eton.ca/copylevy.shtml

                                                                                                    http://www.1729.com/ip/CopyrightLevies.html

                                                                                                    the link predates the canadian supreme court ruling upholding aand extending the copyright boards ruling

                                                                                                    so it mistakenly says sharing content you bought on p2p is wrong.

                                                                                                    but the information about filling out the paper work and getting your share of the collected taxes is there.

                                                                                                    “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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