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  • Carlito
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    • Dec 2001
    • 856
    #51
    Originally posted by kevinl



    Questions

    1. I work my member emails hard and I cant in one month make 20.00 off them. How did you get this number

    2. A 35% conversion rate on a 39.95 membership price doesnt seem right. I have a very select niche paysite that I charge 29.95 for each month and it retains at 40-45%and when I tried to go up my conversions it went to shit.

    #1: Marketing. You have to target & sell your shit to the surfer, not just throw a list of products out there.

    #2: The retention is realistic. The problem is... you may have a niche paysite, and your surfers are:

    a: Getting bored with the niches quick, they buy it, use it, and are done at the end of their trial period.

    b: Maybe you just dont have the volume & quality cobination that is optimal, and rather than add a 'c' - maybe you just have a poorly laid out and/or confusing to navigate members area.

    I am saying this ouut of experience, not as an attack.

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      • Carlito
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2001
        • 856
        #52
        BTW - Next time those of you that are doing 900 upsells in your members area, question why you dont make much... look around a bit.

        If you pay your bills online at some provider, such as ATT wireless, you will see minor ads & closely related product suggestions on the pages. Not just something unrelated thrown out there, like you see in most unsuccessful adult areas.

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          • ^R3K^
            Confirmed User
            • Sep 2001
            • 2815
            #53
            good thread.. everyone should think before they post or ask Q's in this thread.

            You might gleem a little k-base from it.
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              • DWB
                Registered User
                • Jul 2003
                • 31779
                #54
                As a newbie to pay sites, I am almost speechless at some of the info you cats are dropping here. You guys make a newbie feel like a turd. LOL

                I do OK on my own, but not 100+ sign ups a day. Jesus. On my best days I will hit 50 and do the "I hit 50 again" dance around my room. I would vomit if I checked at the end of the day and I had 150, or even yet 1200 sign ups.

                Mad props to you guys for doing your thing and handling your business.

                Now if you excuse me, I have a LOT of learning to do.

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                  • Zorge
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                    • Aug 2003
                    • 52
                    #55
                    Very informative thread !

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                      • sake
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                        • Apr 2002
                        • 2648
                        #56
                        The BEST thread of the year IMO.

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                          • Nima
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                            • Feb 2003
                            • 2192
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                            TheDoc rules. He is the only per signup owner i can recall analyzing the per signup model now and in the past.
                            hell yes! he knows his shit inside out from top to bottom!!!!!!

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                              • KingK7
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                                • Jun 2002
                                • 6372
                                #58
                                Old thread, but still very good...

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                                  • freezex
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                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 98
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by TheDoc
                                    You guys are funny...

                                    I know program owners that only do 100 signups a day that live in million dollar homes and drive high end cars.

                                    Per signup programs make more than $10 a signup after the payout.

                                    Math is simple, we can use industry average numbers to do the math. This is done on 50 signups daily to a normal paysite.

                                    -- 50 signups x 4.95 X 30 days = $7425
                                    -- 1500 signups in a month at 35% trial to convert (525) = $20973
                                    -- Out of 50 signups daily that is around 25000 uniques daily.
                                    25,000 uniques daily will produce around 18000 people viewing the exit daily. Out of 18,000 1:1800 will signup for something.
                                    10 signups X $35 = $3500
                                    -- 1500 signups in a month will produce 450 cross sales at $15 each comes out to $6750
                                    -- 1500 signups produces 90% active e-mails, emails are worth on average $20 per (on cc e-mails) so 1350 x $20 = $27000

                                    Total with no recurring made the paysite owner earns..
                                    $65648

                                    The paysite owner paid out: $52500

                                    Now, factors that earn the paysite owner more money are...
                                    He probally get's some SE traffic, type in traffic, produces some of his own traffic, has recurring, 2% of all signups will forget, program errors will cause signup drops, not all paysites convert at 1:500 some do better some are a traffic drain, upsales in the members areas, opt in e-mails on the front of the paysites, ppc deals with very low signup rates and a good amount of other things.

                                    Now, the fact is some paysites are under the 'average' ofcourse which means some do better than others. Yes it means some shave but while I think most don't.

                                    BTW, this would be a successfull paysite... Earning an easy 100k+ after some recurring started to build in.

                                    why are you running a little revshareprogram with no traffic today then?

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                                      • Reak
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Mar 2003
                                        • 17920
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                        Donnie, I don't know what you run
                                        he owns

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                                          • Jon
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                                            • Jun 2002
                                            • 2578
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by DrinkingHard
                                            Fuck man, I wish I owned one of the programs I promote the most. They are making a shitload off me.

                                            Fuckers!

                                            DH
                                            DH--

                                            I think about the exact same shit. If only I owned the programs I promote, I probably make 25% of whatever they make off my sites and traffic. Ugh!
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                                              • polish_aristocrat
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                                                • Jul 2002
                                                • 40377
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Brown Bear
                                                I had a conversation with Marc De from ARS once about the value of a sale, and paying webmasters per sale. His description was almost exactly like TheDoc's.
                                                from what i know ARS didn't collect emails at all ( even from the declined surfers )
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                                                  • angelsofporn
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                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                    • 3218
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                    First off we for sure don't get charged 12.5%.. Our numbers are a tad to high to get our asses raped like that.

                                                    Cross sales = no processing fee for us.

                                                    E-mails... God this is simple

                                                    Let's see... Instant e-mail sales to epoch members, production rate is very high. BTW, e-mail current members to 'other' sites does nothing to retention, just like the price as long as it's not stupid high or really low.

                                                    As well with us, not sure about others when you start clicking you start getting that niche again to other sites, ect. It's a smart system, most paysite owners have this.

                                                    CC holding e-mails are worth about $19.30 each on average while double opt in on our paysites pull in around $13.60 each.

                                                    If your not doing those numbers you can hire me for $10k for 3 hours to teach you what to do.

                                                    The numbers I gave for exit traffic is a low %. 65% will see the exit and more like 1:1500 that view the exit will signup, I did the math at 1:1800.

                                                    Rebills on trials on average are 1.7 months which means even with your math the paysite owner still makes more than $10.

                                                    With all the other factors, like 2 3 or 4 more popup windows.

                                                    Paysite owners often have nice homes, drive nice cars, invest money, own many different business, travel often, etc... I guess we do this by only making $10 on a signup.

                                                    I guess we are hurting for cash... I mean really. The 18,000 sq foot office we have, 2 hot tubs, 2 saunas, 1 steam room, 5 racket ball courts, we cook breakfast and lunch for employees, 2 big screens, couches, pool table and a bar and 20 employees are all paid on that extra $10 we earn.

                                                    It's a number game. First off no paysite get's 50 signups and all 50 belong to webmasters That is with no shave, just the way shit is.
                                                    I think these numbers worked in the old days but now you cant just buy a bunch of content and stock the member's areas.
                                                    My main expense is content by far which would wipe out most of the profit in that formula you laid out there.

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                                                      • CraigR
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                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                        • 17
                                                        #64
                                                        $20 each per member email? Sweet shit you must know something I don't.

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                                                          • Phoenix
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                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                            • 35475
                                                            #65
                                                            best thread ever


                                                            to answer your question Donny gangsta

                                                            i doubt most programs ever go over 100 joins a day


                                                            200 joins a day will top off almost everyone

                                                            then you have some resp who bring in that themselves at some places
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                                                              • detoxed
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                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                • 17798
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                best thread ever


                                                                to answer your question Donny gangsta

                                                                i doubt most programs ever go over 100 joins a day


                                                                200 joins a day will top off almost everyone

                                                                then you have some resp who bring in that themselves at some places
                                                                Wow I always thought 100 joins a day was low as hell

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                                                                  • TheSwed
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                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                    • 3483
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                    best thread ever


                                                                    to answer your question Donny gangsta

                                                                    i doubt most programs ever go over 100 joins a day


                                                                    200 joins a day will top off almost everyone

                                                                    then you have some resp who bring in that themselves at some places
                                                                    so you dont think ND get more then 200 joins/day?

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                                                                      • lil2rich4u2
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                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                        • 11046
                                                                        #68
                                                                        whoever bumped this thread, thank you very much.

                                                                        VERY informative

                                                                        thanks again.
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                                                                          • Donnie Gangsta
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                                                                            • Mar 2002
                                                                            • 1104
                                                                            #69
                                                                            man this thread was a long time ago.. things have changed a lot since then

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                                                                              • Mutt
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                • 34431
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                best thread ever


                                                                                to answer your question Donny gangsta

                                                                                i doubt most programs ever go over 100 joins a day


                                                                                200 joins a day will top off almost everyone

                                                                                then you have some resp who bring in that themselves at some places
                                                                                true most programs don't do over 100 joins a day if you mean most as in more than 50% of programs. but lots of programs do over 100 and 200 joins a day - some are sites and programs most people don't know about.
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                                                                                  • Phoenix
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                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                    • 35475
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by TheSwed
                                                                                    so you dont think ND get more then 200 joins/day?
                                                                                    haha.of course they do more

                                                                                    i think everyone knows who is doing the big volume

                                                                                    of course there are others who will suprise you
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                                                                                      • Giorgio_Xo
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                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                        • 4263
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                        As a newbie to pay sites, I am almost speechless at some of the info you cats are dropping here. You guys make a newbie feel like a turd. LOL

                                                                                        I do OK on my own, but not 100+ sign ups a day. Jesus. On my best days I will hit 50 and do the "I hit 50 again" dance around my room. I would vomit if I checked at the end of the day and I had 150, or even yet 1200 sign ups.

                                                                                        Mad props to you guys for doing your thing and handling your business.

                                                                                        Now if you excuse me, I have a LOT of learning to do.
                                                                                        I like your sites. You'll generate better numbers over time.
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                                                                                          • SykkBoy2
                                                                                            Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                            • 19969
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
                                                                                            man this thread was a long time ago.. things have changed a lot since then
                                                                                            I didn't notice the date on it myself when I first started reading it. I was thinking "what the fuck?"

                                                                                            still some great information in the thread though........
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                                                                                              • Paul90
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                                                                                                • Apr 2004
                                                                                                • 378
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Great information...but that was before the spam laws...i suspect things are quite different today.....most pps program will still be in the hole after 2 months though...

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                                                                                                  • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                    • 40377
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
                                                                                                    whoever bumped this thread, thank you very much.

                                                                                                    VERY informative

                                                                                                    thanks again.
                                                                                                    holy fuck, i thought this is a new thread
                                                                                                    I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                                      • angelsofporn
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                                                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                                                        • 3218
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        it was great when you could just throw up a site with bought content and not have to factor $35k a month into your bills for new vids....surfers expect alot of original content now. If you dont have it you arent going to do well on the retention side.

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                                                                                                          • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                            Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                                            • 19969
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by angelsofporn
                                                                                                            it was great when you could just throw up a site with bought content and not have to factor $35k a month into your bills for new vids....surfers expect alot of original content now. If you dont have it you arent going to do well on the retention side.
                                                                                                            it was even better when you could just throw up a tour with a backend of nothing but a couple plugins, send a couple thousand emails and/or post to usenet and watch the money come rushing in.....
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                                                                                                              • BRISK
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                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                • 12240
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                This thread is full of too much useful industry discussion for GFY. Please close this thread and return to discussing the war in iraq and/or the size of juicylinks penis.

                                                                                                                Thank you.
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                                                                                                                  • KingK7
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                                                                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                    • 6372
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Bumping this one, as it's a good thread

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                                                                                                                      • Ar3s
                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                        • 4307
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by KCat
                                                                                                                        I'll throw in $50 too! Does that buy us a minute?

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                                                                                                                          • Trax
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                                                                                                                            • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                            • 14486
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            so now someone update those numbers hehe

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                                                                                                                              • GonePhishing
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                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                • 2474
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                "Fuck man, I wish I owned one of the programs I promote the most. They are making a shitload off me.

                                                                                                                                Fuckers!"

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                                                                                                                                  • Doctor Dre
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                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 51692
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    You don't need that many signups to live ... I guess most does 100-200 . Bigger program can do thousands for sure thought
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                                                                                                                                      • bigdog
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                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 6964
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        bump for a good thread

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                                                                                                                                          • Basic_man
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                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 27360
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Voodoo
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                                                                                                                                              • ColBigBalls
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                                                                                                                                                • 1733
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by LiveDose
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                                                                                                                                                  • Good Samaritan
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                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
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                                                                                                                                                    Interesting read...

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                                                                                                                                                      • NaughtyRob
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                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                        • 29602
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Why bump such an old thread?
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                                                                                                                                                          • QuaWee
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                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                            • 5791
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            bump for a decent buisiness thread
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                                                                                                                                                              • polish_aristocrat
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                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 40377
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                good thread, i wonder how much outdated the info is
                                                                                                                                                                I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Voodoo
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 10600
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                                                    good thread, i wonder how much outdated the info is
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                                                                                                                                                                      • darksoul
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        good times
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                                                                                                                                                                          • jigg
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                                                                                                                                                                            nice thread
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Pornwolf
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                • 22712
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                This was a GFY classic.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by billybathgate
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