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  • Brujah
    Beer Money Baron
    • Jan 2001
    • 22157

    #1

    After 60+ years, Tax Reform on the way

    Next week, the House and Senate tax-writing committees will hold a joint session on tax reform for the first time since 1940.
    http://www.npr.org/2011/07/09/137729...de-gains-steam
  • NaughtyVisions
    Confirmed User
    • May 2008
    • 4204

    #2
    www.fairtax.org
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    • bronco67
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Dec 2006
      • 29032

      #3
      Whatever the reform will be, you can bet it involves large corporation who make large campaign donations will be paying almost no taxes.

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      • JJ Gold
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2004
        • 1969

        #4
        Originally posted by Brujah
        Next week, the House and Senate tax-writing committees will hold a joint session on tax reform for the first time since 1940.
        http://www.npr.org/2011/07/09/137729...de-gains-steam
        So NPR's idea of "tax reform" is raising capital gains rates? Fuck that commie bullshit.

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        • GatorB
          The Demon & 12clicks
          • Oct 2001
          • 18208

          #5
          Originally posted by NaughtyVisions
          More like bullshit tax. Ok first of all 23% would NOT be enough to cover the budget. All the experts say it would be closer to 30% even at 23% it hard enouhg paying 9.75% state/local sales tax now you want me to pay an ADDITIONAL 23% Federal sales tax? Why so some millionaire can pay less? Fuck that shit. You know requiring me to pay $33% sales tax will cause me to spend LESS not more and since consumer spending is 70% of the economy that's not going to bode well now is it?

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          • L-Pink
            working on my tan
            • Mar 2005
            • 39151

            #6
            Originally posted by JJ Gold
            So NPR's idea of "tax reform" is raising capital gains rates? Fuck that commie bullshit.
            Cap Gains isn't the problem.

            If I guess wrong on a long term investment I only get to deduct $3000 a year but if I make a good call I get taxed to the max? Yea that's fair.

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            • kane
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Aug 2001
              • 20684

              #7
              I would guess that we will see some loopholes being closed in some of the tax laws pretty soon. I think that is how the republicans are going to save face on the debt ceiling battle. They will agree to some tax code changes in exchange for no new tax increases and they will do some spending cuts.

              This way both sides can claim a victory and some people will end up paying more in taxes without having actually raised the tax rate.

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              • JJ Gold
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2004
                • 1969

                #8
                Originally posted by L-Pink
                Cap Gains isn't the problem.

                If I guess wrong on a long term investment I only get to deduct $3000 a year but if I make a good call I get taxed to the max? Yea that's fair.

                .
                Exactly. There should not be a punishment for putting capital at risk. There should be no limit to capital loss deductions and dividends should be taxed at a zero rate since they are already taxed as profits from the corporation.

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                • GatorB
                  The Demon & 12clicks
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 18208

                  #9
                  Originally posted by JJ Gold
                  So NPR's idea of "tax reform" is raising capital gains rates? Fuck that commie bullshit.
                  Yes let people whose ONLY income is capital gains pay LESS than a minimum wage worker. Warren Buffet makes nearly 100% f his income on capital gains and he's for raising the rate. He's FAR more effected by it than you so his opinion counts more than yours. I think a guy worth $50 bil had just a bit more clout than you in financial matters. Sorry you lose.

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                  • GatorB
                    The Demon & 12clicks
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 18208

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JJ Gold
                    Exactly. There should not be a punishment for putting capital at risk. There should be no limit to capital loss deductions and dividends should be taxed at a zero rate since they are already taxed as profits from the corporation.
                    There is no punishment. What you want is to make millions of dollars and pay ZERO taxes. Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

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                    • Vendzilla
                      Biker Gnome
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 23200

                      #11
                      Nothing will happen, atleast before the 2012 elections
                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                      think about that

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                      • L-Pink
                        working on my tan
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 39151

                        #12
                        Originally posted by GatorB
                        Yes let people whose ONLY income is capital gains pay LESS than a minimum wage worker. Warren Buffet makes nearly 100% f his income on capital gains and he's for raising the rate. He's FAR more effected by it than you so his opinion counts more than yours. I think a guy worth $50 bil had just a bit more clout than you in financial matters. Sorry you lose.
                        At the end of the day the wage worker is GUARANTEED his money, I'm not I might lose it all. And don't forget I'm taking the risk with after tax money. Money I've probably paid the max tax on at one time.

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                          #13
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                          • L-Pink
                            working on my tan
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 39151

                            #14
                            Originally posted by GatorB
                            There is no punishment. What you want is to make millions of dollars and pay ZERO taxes. Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
                            Where did ZERO come from? That's incorrect. I'm paying 20%

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                            Last edited by L-Pink; 07-09-2011, 04:13 PM.

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                            • L-Pink
                              working on my tan
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 39151

                              #15
                              Originally posted by GatorB
                              There is no punishment. What you want is to make millions of dollars and pay ZERO taxes. Well fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
                              Some BIG corporations might pay zero in federal taxes but investors in that companies stock pay cap gains if they make a profit.

                              As far as your wage earner investor the most likely investment he will ever make is a house. The profit/cap gain on that investment is zero. He's benefiting from cap gains far more than a stock or commercial property investor.

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                              • TheDoc
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jul 2001
                                • 13827

                                #16
                                How about a huge sales tax, equal, across the board, b to c, c to c and b to b, everyone, any transaction of any type - every product type is taxed. No other taxes of any kind. From State to the Fed.

                                If you're rich and don't want to be taxed, don't buy anything. If you're poor you're not taxed because you can't buy anything. If you're poor and want to be stupid, you're going to pay for it.... same goes for the rich that blows everything they have.
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                                • L-Pink
                                  working on my tan
                                  • Mar 2005
                                  • 39151

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                                  How about a huge sales tax, equal, across the board, b to c, c to c and b to b, everyone, any transaction of any type - every product type is taxed. No other taxes of any kind. From State to the Fed.

                                  If you're rich and don't want to be taxed, don't buy anything. If you're poor you're not taxed because you can't buy anything. If you're poor and want to be stupid, you're going to pay for it.... same goes for the rich that blows everything they have.
                                  With the exception of a b to b purchase that is intended for resale. I totally agree. Maybe add a small 5% tax on all income over a certain amount as well with NO deductions of any kind.

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                                  Last edited by L-Pink; 07-09-2011, 04:48 PM.

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                                  • D Ghost
                                    null
                                    • May 2006
                                    • 9820

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by GatorB
                                    Yes let people whose ONLY income is capital gains pay LESS than a minimum wage worker. Warren Buffet makes nearly 100% f his income on capital gains and he's for raising the rate. He's FAR more effected by it than you so his opinion counts more than yours. I think a guy worth $50 bil had just a bit more clout than you in financial matters. Sorry you lose.

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                                    • JJ Gold
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2004
                                      • 1969

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                      Yes let people whose ONLY income is capital gains pay LESS than a minimum wage worker. Warren Buffet makes nearly 100% f his income on capital gains and he's for raising the rate. He's FAR more effected by it than you so his opinion counts more than yours. I think a guy worth $50 bil had just a bit more clout than you in financial matters. Sorry you lose.
                                      A minimum wage worker pays ZERO in income taxes and will in fact receive MONEY BACK from the IRS from the Earned Income Tax credit.

                                      Go peddle your commie dribble in the kiddie pool.

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                                      • marketsmart
                                        HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                        • Dec 2004
                                        • 20419

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JJ Gold
                                        A minimum wage worker pays ZERO in income taxes and will in fact receive MONEY BACK from the IRS from the Earned Income Tax credit.

                                        Go peddle your commie dribble in the kiddie pool.
                                        ok dumb shit.. do you understand a minimum wage earner can barely support himself in this country... you want to tax him so he decides he would rather suck on the govt tit than go to work?

                                        where did you get your economics degree? inside a cracker jack box?

                                        minimum wage workers pay tax on goods and frankly i think that is fair..





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                                        • JJ Gold
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2004
                                          • 1969

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by marketsmart
                                          ok dumb shit.. do you understand a minimum wage earner can barely support himself in this country... you want to tax him so he decides he would rather suck on the govt tit than go to work?

                                          .
                                          Absolutely not. I have nothing but love for the minimum wage worker and I do not want them to pay any income taxes (as is currently the case).

                                          GatorB stated "people whose ONLY income is capital gains pay LESS than a minimum wage worker".

                                          That is nonsense because minimum wage workers do not pay any income tax and in fact receive money back from the Earned Income Tax Credit.

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                                          • TheDoc
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Jul 2001
                                            • 13827

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by L-Pink
                                            With the exception of a b to b purchase that is intended for resale. I totally agree. Maybe add a small 5% tax on all income over a certain amount as well with NO deductions of any kind.

                                            .
                                            Sounds good to me... now if we could only get corps not have the rights of people anymore and the owners actually be responsible for the actions of the corps, this country might get back on its feet.
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                                            • L-Pink
                                              working on my tan
                                              • Mar 2005
                                              • 39151

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by TheDoc
                                              Sounds good to me... now if we could only get corps not have the rights of people anymore and the owners actually be responsible for the actions of the corps, this country might get back on its feet.
                                              That's also a way to collect money from those that work off the books. Which is a figure that is probably staggering.

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                                              • GetSCORECash
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Mar 2008
                                                • 5527

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                How about a huge sales tax, equal, across the board, b to c, c to c and b to b, everyone, any transaction of any type - every product type is taxed. No other taxes of any kind. From State to the Fed.

                                                If you're rich and don't want to be taxed, don't buy anything. If you're poor you're not taxed because you can't buy anything. If you're poor and want to be stupid, you're going to pay for it.... same goes for the rich that blows everything they have.
                                                ASK THE french or even the canadians. They call it a vat tax, you pay taxes at every point, and then you can fill out a form and get your tax money returned once you prove that you taxed the next guy that received the product.
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                                                • TheDoc
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                  • 13827

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by GetSCORECash
                                                  ASK THE french or even the canadians. They call it a vat tax, you pay taxes at every point, and then you can fill out a form and get your tax money returned once you prove that you taxed the next guy that received the product.
                                                  Aye, they would be great if they had no other taxes to go with it... Canadians get killed already then kicked in the balls for another 7% on most Canadian transactions.

                                                  I would want it 0% tax on everything else, from investments, labor tax, death, ect... straight up the purchase of all products/goods and services - ie: transactions of every kind. It would be high, and it might not be equal between income levels, but it is fair.
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                                                  • JJ Gold
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                    • 1969

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by TheDoc

                                                    I would want it 0% tax on everything else, from investments, labor tax, death, ect... straight up the purchase of all products/goods and services - ie: transactions of every kind. It would be high, and it might not be equal between income levels, but it is fair.

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