It's great to still be making money 25 years after you did the work.

god stop posting.

don't have to. i understand the internet.

Congratulations in finding gold in your cupboard.

Commiserations for all the dollars that you lost in those years that you could have been making money from that old stuff in the cupboard but weren't because you were too busy typing up long posts educating everybody about how clever you are.

jajaja

So basically, you're an older white version of BVF.

Well congrats Paul

From the guy who had to get out of porn and couldn't make a porn Tube work.

Are you really this stupid?

Magazines were not illegal, those pictures were not illegal. Even the videos I sold were not illegal, they weren't licenses and yes I took the risk. But in the last 14 years I've only dealt in legal porn.

Now you can sit in your rented fal and worry about paying your bills.

Another truly stupid statement. If they make that much money, it's at your expense. So their gain is your loss.

But go figure how much I made in 34 years and be honest, then think what a Tube site or company would be worth making that much.

Comparing Google and what they do with online porn, made the first part look clever. Even dumber.

Traffic never was king because getting it was so easy. The problem was and is worse now. The numbers of people it takes to sell a $30 membership. Money is king and you nor I have a clue what Manwin is worth, they only put out press releases.

Grats....

Do you ever wonder how much more you would have made if you understood Internet Porn like you did the mediums in the 80's and early 90's? Serious question, it's not like we all succeed across all mediums.... make some money yes, but really succeed, no.

They were great for the time. the quality of the images is down to being shot on negatives which are now around 20 years old.

As a shooter who sold to an area in porn that few other online porn shooters could. What does that say about the rest?

Honest question. When so many custom shooters were working for $300 a scene they sold out right, why do you think none sold to magazines? Make a real honest reply, because if I was good enough, they weren't in some way.

Sad seeing a old guy hang on to his glory days. Enjoy your retirement.

Ho Gordon.

Don't bring logic into this thread. It makes the trolls think.

Just because some broad will take her clothes off doesn't mean she should be photographed. Most of these "models" look like they arrived in a shipping container. Did Frank Sobotka do your booking?

if you dont have traffic and thats all the content you have to sell things are only going to get worse for you paul

That's like the guy who owns the most land in town saying it was his great great grandfather who killed the natives, but no natives been killed since.

Serious question as I'm genuinely interested.

Did you shoot on your own and then sell sets to magazines or were you a staff shooter?

Did the magazines set the usage rights?

Could you sell a set to Club and then sell the exact same set to Barely Legal?

It truly is a great deal to retain your rights to the images you've sold with which you can then resell over and over. I thought magazines would have bought the sets exclusively to keep their competitors from getting the same material.

If Club buys the set first and then Barely Legal gets it, Club is mad because their content has been diluted and Barely Legal would be mad because their subscribers may have already seen the images ( used content ).

When I submitted my work to mainstream magazines I was often warned by photo editors not to submit the same thing to competing magazines. They wouldn't even accept duplicate slides because of this. Their reasoning made sense to me and I didn't have a choice anyway because they set the rules.

I can see how the magazines you sold to back then would let let you keep the rights for anything but selling to competing magazines because back then the internet wasn't even a thought so they weren't worried about it. Seems like shooters today would be stuck selling exclusive due to the easy proliferation.

Now there's something I can agree with you on.

my sexual development as a young lad was set back to the sheer unfappability of paul markham's photos in my dad's collection of club and barely legal mags.

Hi Gordon.

Don't bring logic into this thread. It makes the trolls think.

Links to Pauls pictures from 1985 pulled.

Always been a self employed shooter. Employed staff when I was selling via mail order in the UK. Damian has posted I employed staff in the UK. When we were here in Czech we employed 8 staff. That was clearly posted and ignored in Squealers post.

It was joint negotiations. Usually the only thing the magazines were interested in was First or Second rights in the country they were publishing from.

That was the entire idea of shooting content. A very good set, like ones of the girls these trolls are flaming, Could sell First rights UK ($1,000), US $1800-$2400), in EU countries (prices ranged form $300 to $1,000, Japan, Australia, then to phone adverts, then on the Internet and now in phones. Then we gave content to Photorama who sold it to the world. With some restrictions. Earning $5,000 from a good solo girl set isn't unusual. Some of the guys at the top of the tree would earn $10,000 from a single set.

They sometimes did, but they knew the value of good content and knew it cost money. Why buy an edition of Club or Knave that month? The content inside.
No because by the time Club published it in the UK, Barely Legal might be only having it on the shelf ready to publish. Also they were different countries. Club UK, Barely Legal US. The idea of exclusive one off sales started with online porn and mainly because of the fortune Zmasters made with their discs of content and the fools who bought it because it was cheap. The idea of saturating a set inside a mainstream members are slim and to do so the sales to the creator are immense. The exclusive content was born out of the saturation on TGP sites, a mod on a TGP was seeing the same content over and over again from too many affiliates submitting.

for shooters it's about how much WE make. Not how happy your affiliates are. Nice to keep them happy, but not at our financial cost.

Also a few could produce better content by going exclusive. Most produced worse.

If you were submitting the same set to different magazines in the same countries, then you had a problem. submitting to a Club UK, Barely Legal US, Seventeen in Holland, wasn't a problem and we knew it. So shot each set with duplicate frames, which we sorted out on the light box. This was in the days of transparencies.

Yes, today with the decline of all other markets shooters have little options. The online porn guys have reduced the market to to what it is. However up until we had our set backs, there was still more money in not selling exclusive. Take these sets as an example. Each one of these sets or sets and videos have sold around 100 times from the stores. Then add magazines and DVD sales, we actually did an exchange deal with Scala for 6 scenes for one of ours. So we got 6 of their scenes to sell online for one of ours for them to sell on DVD. Also did a similar deal with a US company. Do the maths. As I said, I pay my bills with my income, not yours or your affiliates.

And that was always the situation. Custom paid very badly and I have never seen a regular off line magazine shooter shooting for online custom. Never seen an online company selling to magazines and only recently did I see online porn selling to the DVD part of the industry.

This was an enormous failing on their part. The profit that could of been earned was there ready to be taken. It could of been another arm of an existing business, it could of been a completely new stream of income. It could of meant for custom shooter giving up shooting scenes exclusive for $300 and shooting non exclusive for $3,000

Damian posted how little I understood the Internet and online marketing. Well most of online marketing doesn't pay affiliates 50%+ and supply them every single tool they need and give the product away in quantities that reduce sales.

The Internet is merely the vehicle we use that delivers the porn, clueless about printing. Because I don't need to know about it to produce porn.

The problem is many of the online porn "gurus" don't understand porn or marketing porn. And that's the business we are in.

Porn is a stimuli for the fantasy the viewer can grab onto and enjoy himself. Many imagine themselves in the situation being presented. That situation could be some Granny naked in her bed sit or a top model having sex in a mansion. What's required is reality. The viewer has to think it's real. And sadly most of the porn produced today isn't real or just cloned copies of what everyone else is doing. It's massed produced cheap crap. And the only reason fools think traffic is king is because so many of the surfers don't buy.

If 99 people in 100 don't buy, that's a big problem. When 999 in 1,000 don't buy it's become a disaster. These stats are from before the days of Tubes and not banner clicks. The only real solution is to look long and hard at the product and think why don't they buy? Then fix that problem and start converting a lot better. Throwing more traffic at the problem isn't a solution.

If members are only staying 2-3 months on average, that's a problem. It means in a few months they bored with the formula of porn on that site. Sites should be retaining a lot lot longer. The road to success is producing something that the buyer can't get in 100 other places and keeps him hanging on for the next edition. Much like Harry Potter.

Yes producing porn 30 years ago was a lot easier, there were far less places for the buyers to buy. The need to be great wasn't so needed. Also great in 1981 wasn't what would be termed as great in 2011. Today the buyer can get a girl being fucked on a sofa in the same or similar way on 100s if not 1000s of sites. Plus he can get 1000s of free scenes on porn Tubes.

The need to be very good, very unique and really concentrating on the customers needs are paramount. Well they should be.

Still you see people bleating the same solution to all the problems we faced years ago. Traffic. Throwing more traffic at a bad product isn't the way to get more sales. As is clear by now. Converting more of the traffic you have is the solution. Plus anyone, it seems can throw traffic at a site and it makes affiliates king if that's the model.

This solution has turned ratios from 1-50 to 1-5,000 on some sites. Brazzers for one. By not giving the product away for free, not shaping a product and industry to suit affiliates and definitely not paying them what we do. would of meant ratios back in the same realms of 2000. Imagine that with all the additional traffic we have today. Imagine the loss of income and what you could of done with the money.

Yes that's the opportunity lost.

thanks for the ebook excerpt.

More to say for those interested in reading the truth.

The problem with paying $500 for an exclusive solo girl scene is what the buyer gets. Usually a scene produced by a sub standard shooter, because there are far better paying market. A scene produced on a conveyor belt, the need is to get 4-5 scenes out in the day to make it pay. And the ease of opening sites. It doesn't take a lot of money to produce 40 scenes for a solo girl site at $500 a scene. When you consider many paid $1500 for 5 scenes you realise the problem.

The market becomes saturated with low quality porn sites, which the only way many think quality can be achieved is by using a HD camera. With so many surfers now getting their porn from Tube sites, it seems quality of image isn't that important.

No decent offline porn shooter has ever bothered to shoot for online porn. Unless they opened their own site. No online company has ever employed a top end porn shooter for their content production. I recently discussed this with an owner of a top company and the answer was "I don't think it would improve sales."

Separating themselves from the pack wouldn't produce more sales and retention?

This is nothing to do about me. Offline there are lots of great shooters. Online there's a handful. Unless they're offline as well.

When selling a repeat buy product to a repeat buying customer retention of that customer to the product, brand or method of delivery, is paramount. We put it at the bottom of priorities, we wanted to retain affiliates more than customers, we conned, tricked, misled the customer to a point where 1,000 don't want to buy.

I said years ago that throwing water into a leaking bucket was wrong, treating surfers like sheep was wrong and that what we were doing would only last as long as the customer wasn't offered an alternative. Also stealing in any way from customers was also wrong.

Today ratios are appalling.

Surfers aren't sheep and prove it all the time.

Tubes are better alternative.

And many of you still sell to Dating sites that you know are a con. As you sold to site which banged cards or had pre-clicked boxes, to earn a few bucks.

And the market and business is shrinking, people are leaving, diversifying or asking for work on GFY in ever increasing numbers. Those who don't think it's shrinking, good luck in the future.



And we have clowns like PJ and Damian giving their opinions. Which are as usual great and mind exploding. If you have the IQ of a snail.

Good luck guys getting a job when online porn spits you out.

He said pics of models and I just see faces. Models have faces?

Paul, you seem to get off on haters jumping on your deliberately controversial/provocative threads...

You complain about people trolling you, but your own behaviour is that of a classic troll...

What a way to spend a Saturday night Paulie.

I'm guessing Eva was out with friends her own age and left you at home to post essays about shit on GFY?

Fuck your life.



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Get a life. Seriously

No one cares and no one reads your shit. Only you

You are a laughing stock

Broke, no bank account, working at 60 and your business partner has just had to get a job

You make Lawrence Conner look successful

No Eva and I went to an open air cinema.

Fuck my life???????

I'm happily retired, with enough money to see me through to the end of my days. I live in our nice 3 bedroom house in a sleepy little village in Czech, which is where I choose to live because I love it here. Not for any other reason, we could move back to the UK, but our standard of living would come crashing down and England holds nothing for me. We own the house, lock stock and barrel. come over and see the deeds.

I have a wife who loves me, a daughter who loves me and a dog who I'm not sure about but he does follow me everywhere I go.

I watched Eva recover from an accident that should of killed her, beat very advanced cancer that should of killed me. After 2 years of really being out of working, both recovering and looking after me. She's happy to go back to work and have something that challenges her.

I've had a career that most of you would of loved to have. While you sit there punching a keyboard I was taking pictures and movies of naked girls doing wonderful things to themselves and getting paid well to do it.

After getting rid of the studio and staff, stopping shooting, the sites still bring in money, that we can add to our small pile. In a business where most of you wouldn't last 3 months after what happened to us, that's pretty good. Don't you think?

I have, the money we didn't blow on boys toys and mortgages like so many, my private pensions and State invalid benefits. Don't tell me I'm a parasite, I paid for every penny I'm getting now many times over.

I'm now scanning stuff from 25 years ago. Nice because I can see how I progressed as a shooter, remember some great days and brings home how much I grew.

The downsides to my life are. My saliva glands are fucked and will never recover. My strength and stamina is pretty poor, the Manwin shoot proved to me I will never come back to shooting. Whether I want to or not. I'm physically not capable.

I'm truly pissed that people like you turned what should of been the new dawn of porn, into it's dusk. As far as making money. You online guys missed the opportunity of a lifetime. Few have the chances you did to make billions. You fucked up.

If 1-100 buy. 99 don't. 99 lost customers. If 1-1,000 buy, 999 don't buy. If the reason they don't buy is the amount of free porn online, legit free porn. Or the lack of will to join the site, the fix isn't throwing more traffic at it. But for 10 years and more, that's the only fix many of you could think of.

And you put the growing traffic down to all the people wanting the free porn. did you really think those who would buy or were remotely interested in porn wouldn't come anyway? If you did, you don't understand marketing porn online, offline or any bloody way you can imagine. Men like looking at porn, they will look at porn given the chance, by supplying them with millions of free galleries you diminish their need to buy the product.

This was something people knew a decade ago. People were saying that too much content in a gallery was hurting sales. But if one gallery had 10 pictures in, the archives had 10,000 other galleries. Today the problem is the same it was then. Just got worse because you kept thinking more traffic = more sales. And used the most stupid excuses possible to back that claim.

No traffic no sales = But use content to get traffic.

They can sell water and water's free. = If you live with your Mum it is, otherwise you pay for water out the tap.

They give away free samples in supermarkets. = They don't give away a crate of them.

MacDonalds can sell crap burgers = Not by giving them away for free.

Yes I'm pissed that idiots turned what should of been a business that was thriving into a business that can nearly see it's end. Unless you give away porn to sell ad space.

Seriously though Damian and please don't ignore this. Where will you be working in 5 years time? Still in your living room or your Mum's living room or where?

Don't worry about my life, it's fine.

:D :D :D

I have one already thank you.

Seems to me that's so wrong it's making you look stupid. Not hard I know but to do it to yourself!!!

If no one cares or reads it, why are so many replying. Like you?

Because I predicted what's happening today, years ago?

What makes you think that? Other than your own stupidity it's clearly wrong.

And you make my dog look intelligent.

But thank you for the bump of a thread no one cares abouts or reads. You're a joke.

Damian are you ignoring my question? I know this is like you, you could even lie with an answer. You're very good at lying.

I make a ton of money from the older guys that love this stuff. I'll take all I can get. To someone that hasn't seen those photos, they are brand new.

why older guys get this grumpy? I know many and they are all the same, what is the deal I don´t get it

They're bullshit meters get pegged out! Been there, done that stuff gets old. No time for morons and that type of thing. You'll see what I mean in a few years.

I'm a happy guy, on all things but what you guys have done to porn. If you think the last ten years on online porn is a shining example of how to run a business. You're smoking way too strong a weed.

If you come to the show in Prague you'll find out what I'm like.

Anyone notice how Damian ignores my question? So here it is again.

Damian what will your next career be?

with so many jumping ship or diversifying because they see the demise of porn, what will a little guy like you turn his hand to? Marketing your magic skills is a failed project so far.

Watch me perform magic at a corporate PORN event

Don't you think it's time to get a professional video of your amateur magic show?

Want me to send you the money?

Nikki, I love taking the piss out of the trolls.

Dude...wtf... this just sounds suspiciously professional... and maybe even a bit intelligent... are you sure you are in the right place?

Paul... I can't keep it straight...

So you can make money now in porn? Even with old content?

Amazing.

Boy am I glad we didn't sell off all our titles rights now like all those other old school companies!

LOL

No still broke and have to send Eva out to clean floors so we can eat this week.

How you and your brother doing?

Was wondering, when we met is San Diego, did I have Eva with me or was it earlier than that and my Filipino wife was with me? Anyway thanks for the lunch.

On a business note, I'm sure there's money in the old archives of many a porn company. Pre 1995 Private was great, Anabolic gang bangs, Zane and a ton more. Some companies really should be looking at if they can buy Internet licenses on this old stuff.

Here's another reason you don't get it.....

A porn magazine shelf in an adult shop had a ton of magazines, often 100's when counting old ones as well, (like sites today), multi-packaged ones, discount boxes, etc. (before counting what they have at home already that are free now) By your logic, all the other magazines didn't convert the customers, they were just looking, flipping, and ended up with another magazine or maybe even left the store or maybe got a dvd and no magazine at all. Then again, not everyone coming in the door bought the best magazine either, but chances are they looked at it - it sold more due to exposure, and took from others... oh wait, just like today.

The reality is, the other 999 didn't get sold, but will buy something else, yeah they may flip through a few more mags for free shots, leave today, come back later, but they will buy... they always do.

People set out to buy, buy, almost every single time. People not sure, often don't buy. Just like people window shop in malls, by the 1000's daily, often never buy, but every once in a while they get sold. This happens all over, from porn shops, porn sites, mainstream business, even freaking restaurants - however they still ALWAYS buy at some point - just not always from you.

BTW, that means... more people (ie: traffic) gives you more chances to find those people that will buy from you. I'm really not sure how you don't get that.... but whatever.

I'll let ya get back to scanning old porn for a few extra bucks while the rest of us continue to make millions.

Not sure because you met with my bro, not me, unfortunately since I certainly would've enjoyed meeting you in person. I know I give a bit of jab jab with some nudge nudge wink wink from time to to time but I will say this... I do respect that you had the foresight to realize what retaining ownership meant.

I appeared in and/or shot for quite a few of those -Private, Anabolic, Zane, Odyssey, LBO, etc. back in the day so I will take that as a compliment...

Huh? You shoot all these gorgeous teens and they all want to fuck you and suck you off etc as you keep boasting about and you had to buy a Filipino wife?

Did she take all your money?

If you believe this shit.... Let me tell you about the....


Magic join pages!

Paul you're such a bell end.

Could of sworn it was the two brothers. But I can take the jab, jab and nudge, nudge from people who I meet. If it's in fun.

Yes the fools who sold their rights of work for the paycheck at the end of the week, must be feeling sick now.

Yes those films, well some, were great. I think it was down to the lack of pressure on shooters, budgets and definitely models. Today the LA stuff seems so bloody fake. Even amateurs look like they've done it 100 times.

The only people who look like they're new to it are the guys with the cameras.

Now Damian you can say I bought 2 wives and one cleaned me out. You must be creaming in your pants at this.

I'm happy to bring a little light into your life.

Oh I am. I am. You're like Alan Partridge man.



Filipino wife. Could you be any more stereotypical if you tried?