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The Taliban didn't even exist until 1994. I guess anyone with a rag on his head is part of the Taliban?
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I think it is hilarious that Reagan spent his last years as a drooling imbecile. Small justice for kicking thousands of people out of mental hospitals and onto the streets.Comment
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Right, these guys were the anti-soviet Afghan mujahidin.The Taliban didn't even exist until 1994. I guess anyone with a rag on his head is part of the Taliban?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
Now what group did these people eventually form again?...
Sounded a little like Raison Bran, or attic fan....
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jfk was the last president that tried to do something good for this country...
the rest have been crooks or sheep...
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Yeah we were so better off with the cold war
You're a bunch of fucking idiotsCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Vendzilla stop being a pussy. The only reason Americans are for the war they are in today is they can stand back and fight from miles away. If they had to actually fight and risk their lives to the extent that their enemies do they would all be running back to the US with their tails tucked between their legs.
The thing is though that those people who are the moral equivlent to the founding fathers haven't changed, their message has been consistent all along. However the United States has changed from an economic powerhouse and the land of the free to a land of trained murderers thinking they are any better than any other murderer or rapist out there (including Osama Bin Laden) and using their advanced weaponry and uneven fire power to bully the weaker people in the world.Comment
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The Russians must have had vaults of crystal balls then.
Taliban is just a word.... they are the war lords, the mujahadeen, the anti-western radical islamics that were born at or after the soviet afghan war and afghan civil war. The hate for us (or the west), besides our beliefs, is the fact that we funded, trained, and helped create this mess, on all sides of the conflict.The Taliban didn't even exist until 1994. I guess anyone with a rag on his head is part of the Taliban?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
Reagan, more directly, was more interested in his own history and russia, and totally ignored the dangers of his actions, which was already backfiring on us.
That picture, is the parents of the children (now adults) we fight today. We created this mess.....
You may have been around but you were as brain dead then as you are today.
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You're a fucking idiot, you think I'm for these wars, you're out of your fucking mind as usual.Vendzilla stop being a pussy. The only reason Americans are for the war they are in today is they can stand back and fight from miles away. If they had to actually fight and risk their lives to the extent that their enemies do they would all be running back to the US with their tails tucked between their legs.
The thing is though that those people who are the moral equivlent to the founding fathers haven't changed, their message has been consistent all along. However the United States has changed from an economic powerhouse and the land of the free to a land of trained murderers thinking they are any better than any other murderer or rapist out there (including Osama Bin Laden) and using their advanced weaponry and uneven fire power to bully the weaker people in the world.
And you're taking to a vet that's done things that would make you shit your pants like the little girlie you areCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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The Pope did more to end the cold war than Reagan ever did... not that the pope actually did shit but keep his status quo going, but that's exactly the point.
Aleksandr Yakovlev ~ It played no role. None. I can tell you that with the fullest responsibility. Gorbachev and I were ready for changes in our policy regardless of whether the American president was Reagan, or Kennedy, or someone even more liberal. It was clear that our military spending was enormous and we had to reduce it.
The cold war was ending BEFORE Reagan was in office, all he did was spend, spend, spend, exactly like the Russians, creating the exact same problem they had, the only difference was, ours was MUCH larger AND NEVER STOPPED screwing us over MUCH more, and those ideals are what is bankrupting our Country today... He's such a brilliant person to support.
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I was in the Navy during the Reagan Administration, don't tell me that BULLSHIT that the cold war was ending before he got in.The Pope did more to end the cold war than Reagan ever did... not that the pope actually did shit but keep his status quo going, but that's exactly the point.
Aleksandr Yakovlev ~ It played no role. None. I can tell you that with the fullest responsibility. Gorbachev and I were ready for changes in our policy regardless of whether the American president was Reagan, or Kennedy, or someone even more liberal. It was clear that our military spending was enormous and we had to reduce it.
The cold war was ending BEFORE Reagan was in office, all he did was spend, spend, spend, exactly like the Russians, creating the exact same problem they had, the only difference was, ours was MUCH larger AND NEVER STOPPED screwing us over MUCH more, and those ideals are what is bankrupting our Country today... He's such a brilliant person to support.
He got them spending to keep up, then cut their finances by lowering the price of oil.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Reagan lowered the price of oil? Guess you can do that when you're giving middle eastern terrorists weapons.Comment
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Yeah, most people on active duty are heavy into politics, they have all this time to research the limited information they were exposed to, followed the bills, what was said and done in such detail. While the rest of the fleet followed orders, you followed politics...
Let me rephrase your reply to how it should read... "Reagan got America to spend more money, bankrupting America, when the Soviets were already bankrupt."
Reagan bankrupted our Country FAR more than the Soviets ever reached, and you think we won the cold war?
Hellllloooo, using your logic, it would mean we lost, by a shit ton.
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Pick and choose as usual, lets start with your statement that the cold war was ending before Reagan took office.Yeah, most people on active duty are heavy into politics, they have all this time to research the limited information they were exposed to, followed the bills, what was said and done in such detail. While the rest of the fleet followed orders, you followed politics...
Let me rephrase your reply to how it should read... "Reagan got America to spend more money, bankrupting America, when the Soviets were already bankrupt."
Reagan bankrupted our Country FAR more than the Soviets ever reached, and you think we won the cold war?
Hellllloooo, using your logic, it would mean we lost, by a shit ton.
He took office in 81, just a couple years after the Soviets started using a new submarine called the Alpha Class, a submarine that could out run one of our torpedo's
then after Reagan took office, they came out with the Typhoon class submarine, the biggest submarine in history loaded with more destructive power that any one platform in history, they made a movie about that sub, you might have seen it?
It wasn't ending, it was escalating.
You may not agree with how he did it, but the fact stands, he did it and the cold war was over. I was in the Navy in the middle of it and I knew far more than you can look up on the internet and I'm glad it's over......Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Talk about picking and choosing........ did you read what you wrote?Pick and choose as usual, lets start with your statement that the cold war was ending before Reagan took office.
He took office in 81, just a couple years after the Soviets started using a new submarine called the Alpha Class, a submarine that could out run one of our torpedo's
then after Reagan took office, they came out with the Typhoon class submarine, the biggest submarine in history loaded with more destructive power that any one platform in history, they made a movie about that sub, you might have seen it?
It wasn't ending, it was escalating.
You may not agree with how he did it, but the fact stands, he did it and the cold war was over. I was in the Navy in the middle of it and I knew far more than you can look up on the internet and I'm glad it's over......
What I did was tell you that the Soviets were bankrupt before Reagan started spending. The game was over for them BEFORE Reagan did a damn thing.
So what did Reagan actually do? He bankrupted America, end of story, that's ALL he did.
It is impossible that you knew more back then than we can lookup today... 100000000000% impossible! It's not called the information age for shit and giggles.
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You do realize that production of OUR oil (not debt oil) was LOWER when he left office than before he came in right? But the buying of DEBT OIL sky rocketed under him?
The assets he used was generations and generations of american's tax dollars.... It's crazy that you support bankrupting of our own country just to end the cold war a tiny bit faster.
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Talk about picking and choosing........ did you read what you wrote?
What I did was tell you that the Soviets were bankrupt before Reagan started spending. The game was over for them BEFORE Reagan did a damn thing.
So what did Reagan actually do? He bankrupted America, end of story, that's ALL he did.
It is impossible that you knew more back then than we can lookup today... 100000000000% impossible! It's not called the information age for shit and giggles.Now you're just lying
The cold war was ending BEFORE Reagan was in office, all he did was spend, spend, spend, exactly like the Russians, creating the exact same problem they had, the only difference was, ours was MUCH larger AND NEVER STOPPED screwing us over MUCH more, and those ideals are what is bankrupting our Country today... He's such a brilliant person to support.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Where did I say I was supporting him raising the debt? Please inform!!! I never said that, I support the cold war being over, don't you?You do realize that production of OUR oil (not debt oil) was LOWER when he left office than before he came in right? But the buying of DEBT OIL sky rocketed under him?
The assets he used was generations and generations of american's tax dollars.... It's crazy that you support bankrupting of our own country just to end the cold war a tiny bit faster.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Where did I say you did? I said.... "It's crazy that you support bankrupting of our own country just to end the cold war a tiny bit faster."
I don't support the cold war ending a tiny bit faster at the cost of our entry country... hell no I don't support that, it wasn't worth it, looking at it today, I can damn see that it wasn't worth it, even more so when it was already ending.
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laughing at all of you that once again miss the point..
the defense contractors made a fortune during the cold war and it was fear mongering that got the public behind the massive spending..
we spent, russia spent...
russia couldnt sustain the spending and a large percentage of their people suffered as a result..
ever heard of the russain bread lines..
now 30 years later, we are bankrupt...
and instead of the defense contractors getting rich at the expense of the people, its the banks..
and here we are, you guys fighting about a puppet president that was just as responsible for the state the US is in today as both Bush's and one Obama...
you guys will never learn that its the large industries that are fucking you over and using politicians to do their dirty word through legislation...
quit pointing fingers and figure out how to do something to start a movement that grows large enough to completely dismantle and then rebuild the system that all of us seem to be so unhappy with...
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I never said I was supporting debt, and tiny bit faster I have already addressed with the new technology that came out right when he was taking office, try to keep up.Where did I say you did? I said.... "It's crazy that you support bankrupting of our own country just to end the cold war a tiny bit faster."
I don't support the cold war ending a tiny bit faster at the cost of our entry country... hell no I don't support that, it wasn't worth it, looking at it today, I can damn see that it wasn't worth it, even more so when it was already ending.
Have you ever seen Hunt for Red October? The Typhoon Class submarine was real!
Your trying to prove your point with conjectureCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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I didn't miss that, that's why Obama is still expanding our wars in the middle east I suspectCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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of course.. the same reason bush took us into iraq..
the people werent behind the first gulf war and things would have turned ugly if there would have been mass US casualties..
after 9/11 everyone got behind the war and now we have a huge military base in the middle east that will be used to continue or conquest to control every resource we can get our hands on...
the US will be engaged in military conflict from this point on...
there will never be peace again...
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My point is simple.... none of that shit you're talking about makes a difference as they were already bankrupt.I never said I was supporting debt, and tiny bit faster I have already addressed with the new technology that came out right when he was taking office, try to keep up.
Have you ever seen Hunt for Red October? The Typhoon Class submarine was real!
Your trying to prove your point with conjecture
But to address your point, sweet, new technology is cool, but that does not mean we needed a super arms build up costing us our entire Country. They would have built up either way, they would have went bankrupt either way, even if they didn't build up, they were already fucked.
Which is the actual point, the actual result, the true facts to what happened - ie: America being bankrupt. If you support any part of what happened with the cold war through the 80's then you directly support our Country going bankrupt, because THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED, as a result of all the policies/buildup, etc related to Reagan.Last edited by TheDoc; 07-09-2011, 11:14 AM.
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laughing at all of you that once again miss the point..
the defense contractors made a fortune during the cold war and it was fear mongering that got the public behind the massive spending..
we spent, russia spent...
russia couldnt sustain the spending and a large percentage of their people suffered as a result..
ever heard of the russain bread lines..
now 30 years later, we are bankrupt...
and instead of the defense contractors getting rich at the expense of the people, its the banks..
and here we are, you guys fighting about a puppet president that was just as responsible for the state the US is in today as both Bush's and one Obama...
you guys will never learn that its the large industries that are fucking you over and using politicians to do their dirty word through legislation...
quit pointing fingers and figure out how to do something to start a movement that grows large enough to completely dismantle and then rebuild the system that all of us seem to be so unhappy with...
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We all know know they're a bunch of puppets, but the reality is, THIS system is in place, so we can only discuss the manipulations of everything based on this system.
Talking about some movement that isn't going to happen unless someone way the hell up in the power chain, very quietly makes it happen, is a total waste of time.
Preaching to others to do something is rather hypocritical when you fail to do something yourself. Being so, lets talk about the issues of today, and IF it changes in the future, we can discuss those details at that time.Last edited by TheDoc; 07-09-2011, 11:20 AM.
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You are wrong, how did they afford the Typhoon Class submarine that was launched after Reagan took office?My point is simple.... none of that shit you're talking about makes a difference as they were already bankrupt.
But to address your point, sweet, new technology is cool, but that does not mean we needed a super arms build up costing us our entire Country. They would have built up either way, they would have went bankrupt either way, even if they didn't build up, they were already fucked.
Which is the actual point, the actual result, the true facts to what happened - ie: America being bankrupt. If you support any part of what happened with the cold war through the 80's then you directly support our Country going bankrupt, because THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED, as a result of all the policies/buildup, etc related to Reagan.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Which begs to answer the question with everyone getting pissed at Bush for getting into two wars, how can anyone be behind Obama when we are in I don't know how many more?of course.. the same reason bush took us into iraq..
the people werent behind the first gulf war and things would have turned ugly if there would have been mass US casualties..
after 9/11 everyone got behind the war and now we have a huge military base in the middle east that will be used to continue or conquest to control every resource we can get our hands on...
the US will be engaged in military conflict from this point on...
there will never be peace again...
.Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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