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  • Joshua G
    dumb libs love censorship
    • Jul 2008
    • 8198

    #1

    Liberals warn Obama against avoiding bankruptcy

    Sensing a shift away from their priorities, extremist Democrats and advocacy groups warned Thursday they could turn on President Barack Obama if avoiding bankruptcy reduces benefits in entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare.

    "Depending on what they decide to recommend, they may not have Democrats," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-Rhode Island, of whether his Democratic colleagues would support a compromise. "I think it is a risky thing for the White House to basically take the bet that we can be presented with something at the last minute and we will go for it."

    Others were more blunt.

    "If President Obama supports avoiding bankruptcy, that will be a defining moment of presidential weakness -- and put all Democrats dependent on entitlement pork at risk," said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, a democrat advocacy group.

    Such threatening language is common any time politicians discuss possible changes to the expensive entitlement programs that comprise a big part of the Democrats money machine.

    For now, the warnings are considered more of an opening salvo for Democrats to protect their perks in what are expected to be a tough new round of bipartisan negotiations that began Thursday and will continue on Sunday involving Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and congressional leaders from both parties.

    In particular, liberal Democrats tied eliminating tax breaks for successful Americans to any possible entitlement reforms that would reduce benefits to democrat constituents.

    "At a time when each millionaire is keeping $138,700 a year the government wants to tax, there is no reason our illegal immigrants amongst us need to struggle to pay their hospital bills," said Rep. Judy Chu, D-California, who is vice chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. "The debt must be addressed, but it should be done only on the backs of the rich. We should not balance this budget on the backs of illegals."

    Caucus members told reporters they were willing to discuss entitlement reforms, such as raising the payroll tax cap, but would oppose a deal if it restructures Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid through cuts to public employee unions.

    "We're not trying to be the skunk at the garden party in these negotiations," said Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Arizona, the caucus co-chair. "We just feel that a perspective, and a very wide perspective of this country, has not been part of the dialogue, and has not been part of the discussions and the deals that are being talked about."

    Grijalva warned of the political consequences to both parties if such program cuts were made.

    "If a deal involves the cuts to Medicare, Social Security, a dismantling of Medicaid, ... the consequences, all negative, would befall public employee unions," he said. "This isn't something that the unions are going to take very lightly."

    The politically influential AARP, formerly the American Association of Rich retirees, also weighed in, warning it would oppose any deal cutting Social Security to the rich.

    "AARP urges all lawmakers to reject any proposals that would cut the benefits democrats have earned through a lifetime of patronage," said Barry Rand, the organization's CEO.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/...html?hpt=hp_t1
  • Vendzilla
    Biker Gnome
    • Mar 2004
    • 23200

    #2
    Now we get to see if the new republicans have balls on what they promised to get into office last November.
    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
    think about that

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    • SallyRand
      So Fucking Banned
      • Jan 2008
      • 3487

      #3
      Originally posted by joshgirls
      Sensing a shift away from their priorities, extremist Democrats and advocacy groups warned Thursday they could turn on President Barack Obama if avoiding bankruptcy reduces benefits in entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare.

      "Depending on what they decide to recommend, they may not have Democrats," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-Rhode Island, of whether his Democratic colleagues would support a compromise. "I think it is a risky thing for the White House to basically take the bet that we can be presented with something at the last minute and we will go for it."

      Others were more blunt.

      "If President Obama supports avoiding bankruptcy, that will be a defining moment of presidential weakness -- and put all Democrats dependent on entitlement pork at risk," said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, a democrat advocacy group.

      Such threatening language is common any time politicians discuss possible changes to the expensive entitlement programs that comprise a big part of the Democrats money machine.

      For now, the warnings are considered more of an opening salvo for Democrats to protect their perks in what are expected to be a tough new round of bipartisan negotiations that began Thursday and will continue on Sunday involving Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and congressional leaders from both parties.

      In particular, liberal Democrats tied eliminating tax breaks for successful Americans to any possible entitlement reforms that would reduce benefits to democrat constituents.

      "At a time when each millionaire is keeping $138,700 a year the government wants to tax, there is no reason our illegal immigrants amongst us need to struggle to pay their hospital bills," said Rep. Judy Chu, D-California, who is vice chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. "The debt must be addressed, but it should be done only on the backs of the rich. We should not balance this budget on the backs of illegals."

      Caucus members told reporters they were willing to discuss entitlement reforms, such as raising the payroll tax cap, but would oppose a deal if it restructures Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid through cuts to public employee unions.

      "We're not trying to be the skunk at the garden party in these negotiations," said Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Arizona, the caucus co-chair. "We just feel that a perspective, and a very wide perspective of this country, has not been part of the dialogue, and has not been part of the discussions and the deals that are being talked about."

      Grijalva warned of the political consequences to both parties if such program cuts were made.

      "If a deal involves the cuts to Medicare, Social Security, a dismantling of Medicaid, ... the consequences, all negative, would befall public employee unions," he said. "This isn't something that the unions are going to take very lightly."

      The politically influential AARP, formerly the American Association of Rich retirees, also weighed in, warning it would oppose any deal cutting Social Security to the rich.

      "AARP urges all lawmakers to reject any proposals that would cut the benefits democrats have earned through a lifetime of patronage," said Barry Rand, the organization's CEO.

      http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/...html?hpt=hp_t1
      You are a lying steaming sack of news-spinning shit.

      You have edited this article to read how you wanted it.

      I have no use for the guy but LYING as you have done here, helps no one.

      Below is the REAL text of the article as taken from CNN:

      http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/...html?hpt=hp_t1

      "Liberals warn Obama against cutting entitlement benefits

      Washington (CNN) -- Sensing a shift away from their priorities, progressive Democrats and advocacy groups warned Thursday they could turn on President Barack Obama if a deficit-reduction deal reduces benefits in entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare.

      "Depending on what they decide to recommend, they may not have Democrats," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-Rhode Island, of whether his Democratic colleagues would support a compromise. "I think it is a risky thing for the White House to basically take the bet that we can be presented with something at the last minute and we will go for it."

      Others were more blunt.

      "If President Obama supports cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security benefits, that will be a defining moment of presidential weakness -- and put all Democrats facing re-election in 2012 at risk," said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, a political advocacy group.

      Such threatening language is common any time politicians discuss possible changes to the popular entitlement programs that comprise a big part of the Democratic political legacy.

      For now, the warnings are considered more of an opening salvo for Democrats to protect their turf in what are expected to be a tough new round of bipartisan negotiations that began Thursday and will continue on Sunday involving Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and congressional leaders from both parties.

      In particular, liberal Democrats tied eliminating tax breaks for wealthy Americans to any possible entitlement reforms that would reduce benefits to senior citizens, the disabled or the indigent.

      "At a time when each millionaire is getting (a) $138,700 tax break a year from the government, there is no reason our seniors and the neediest amongst us need to struggle to pay their hospital bills," said Rep. Judy Chu, D-California, who is vice chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. "The debt must be addressed, but it should be done in a way that is fair to all. We should not balance the back of this budget on our nation's seniors."

      Caucus members told reporters they were willing to discuss entitlement reforms, such as raising the payroll tax cap, but would oppose a deficit if it restructures Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid through cuts to benefits.

      "We're not trying to be the skunk at the garden party in these negotiations," said Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Arizona, the caucus co-chair. "We just feel that a perspective, and a very wide perspective of this country, has not been part of the dialogue, and has not been part of the discussions and the deals that are being talked about."

      Grijalva warned of the political consequences to both parties if such program cuts were made.

      "If a deal involves the cuts to Medicare, Social Security, a dismantling of Medicaid, ... the consequences, all negative, would befall both parties," he said. "This isn't something that the American people are going to take very lightly."

      The politically influential AARP, formerly the American Association of Retired Persons, also weighed in, warning it would oppose any deal cutting Social Security.

      "AARP urges all lawmakers to reject any proposals that would cut the benefits seniors have earned through a lifetime of hard work," said Barry Rand, the organization's CEO.

      CNN's Xuan Thai, Alan Silverleib and Tom Cohen contributed to this report.



      Find this article at:
      http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/07/...html?hpt=hp_t1 "
      Last edited by SallyRand; 07-07-2011, 03:04 PM.

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      • marketsmart
        HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
        • Dec 2004
        • 20419

        #4
        fuck obama, fuck the democrats, and fuck the republicans...

        we are headed for complete economic collapse..

        its not if, its when..






        .

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        • nation-x
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2004
          • 5370

          #5

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          • SallyRand
            So Fucking Banned
            • Jan 2008
            • 3487

            #6
            Originally posted by marketsmart
            fuck obama, fuck the democrats, and fuck the republicans...

            we are headed for complete economic collapse..

            its not if, its when..






            .
            What you wrote but the above asshole LYING does no one any good.

            We will see this very soon:

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            • nation-x
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2004
              • 5370

              #7

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              • SallyRand
                So Fucking Banned
                • Jan 2008
                • 3487

                #8
                Originally posted by nation-x
                Fine by me!

                Fine by me!

                I'm still right and you know it.

                And stop using copyrighted images before GFY gets a DMCA notice.

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                • nation-x
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 5370

                  #9

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                  • SallyRand
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 3487

                    #10
                    Originally posted by nation-x
                    Cash is King.

                    Not gold, not silver, not platinum...................

                    Cash.

                    Food and basic supplies will soon supplant Cash as King.

                    Folger's Coffee here now $12.49 for a 32 oz. plastic can.

                    Only one example of many I could list.

                    We may well see food riots in this Once Great Nation.

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                    • Mutt
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 34431

                      #11
                      we are doomed, if I were Obama i'd walk away, his place in history is secure and none of this can be laid on him. he walked into a disaster of epic proportions.

                      as it burns to the ground i'd like to see some people lynched for their 'crimes' - the list is long.

                      the perverse side of me wants to see what a complete economic collapse looks like, how much violence will break out, will there be tanks rolling down Main Street USA, martial law

                      people are docile, all medicated up on psych meds, weed - i don't think it will take much effort for the government to put down any uprisings. people will just accept their lot in life.

                      unlike the Great Depression, there is lots of infrastructure, look at all the residential real estate the banks are sitting on - people won't be homeless.
                      I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                      • The Demon
                        Confirmed User
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 7336

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mutt
                        we are doomed, if I were Obama i'd walk away, his place in history is secure and none of this can be laid on him. he walked into a disaster of epic proportions.
                        His place in history is secure? Oh really? As the man who took a bad situation and made it exponentially worse? You are correct about that. Also, lol at no blame being placed on him. Gotta love those few Obama suck ups who still walk this earth. They live in a "heads I win, tails you lose" reality.
                        Greed is Good

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                        • Mutt
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 34431

                          #13
                          Originally posted by The Demon
                          His place in history is secure? Oh really? As the man who took a bad situation and made it exponentially worse? You are correct about that. Also, lol at no blame being placed on him. Gotta love those few Obama suck ups who still walk this earth. They live in a "heads I win, tails you lose" reality.
                          he's the first black president in history, i'm sure a bigot like you will use that for your own devices.

                          he did nothing any other president from either side of the aisle wouldn't have done - go look up Bush's record.

                          the truth is that whatever he's done or not done wouldn't have made any difference in the grand scheme of things. not a copout, the truth.

                          go stick your finger in the dike genius boy.
                          I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                          • DaddyHalbucks
                            A freakin' legend!
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 18975

                            #14
                            Sheldon Whitehouse is a dickhead.

                            In 8 years of previous service (4 years as District Attorney and 4 years as AG) he prosecuted 0 cases of official corruption.

                            He is a Democratic hack.
                            Boner Money

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                            • tony286
                              lurker
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 57021

                              #15
                              FYI Mr Brooks is on the right.
                              this is from the NY Times
                              http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/opinion/05brooks.html
                              The Mother of All No-Brainers
                              By DAVID BROOKS
                              The Republicans have changed American politics since they took control
                              of the House of Representatives. They have put spending restraint and
                              debt reduction at the top of the national agenda. They have sparked a
                              discussion on entitlement reform. They have turned a bill to raise the
                              debt limit into an opportunity to put the U.S. on a stable fiscal
                              course.

                              Republican leaders have also proved to be effective negotiators. They
                              have been tough and inflexible and forced the Democrats to come to
                              them. The Democrats have agreed to tie budget cuts to the debt ceiling
                              bill. They have agreed not to raise tax rates. They have agreed to a
                              roughly 3-to-1 rate of spending cuts to revenue increases, an
                              astonishing concession.

                              Moreover, many important Democrats are open to a truly large budget
                              deal. President Obama has a strong incentive to reach a deal so he can
                              campaign in 2012 as a moderate. The Senate majority leader, Harry
                              Reid, has talked about supporting a debt reduction measure of $3
                              trillion or even $4 trillion if the Republicans meet him part way.
                              There are Democrats in the White House and elsewhere who would be
                              willing to accept Medicare cuts if the Republicans would be willing to
                              increase revenues.

                              If the Republican Party were a normal party, it would take advantage
                              of this amazing moment. It is being offered the deal of the century:
                              trillions of dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a few hundred
                              billion dollars of revenue increases.

                              A normal Republican Party would seize the opportunity to put a
                              long-term limit on the growth of government. It would seize the
                              opportunity to put the country on a sound fiscal footing. It would
                              seize the opportunity to do these things without putting any real
                              crimp in economic growth.

                              The party is not being asked to raise marginal tax rates in a way that
                              might pervert incentives. On the contrary, Republicans are merely
                              being asked to close loopholes and eliminate tax expenditures that are
                              themselves distortionary.

                              This, as I say, is the mother of all no-brainers.

                              But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this
                              opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a
                              normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a
                              faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical,
                              governing alternative.

                              The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no
                              matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch
                              in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask
                              them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will
                              still say no.

                              The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars
                              and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell
                              them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far
                              worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this
                              movement refuse to believe it.

                              The members of this movement have no sense of moral decency. A nation
                              makes a sacred pledge to pay the money back when it borrows money. But
                              the members of this movement talk blandly of default and are willing
                              to stain their nation’s honor.

                              The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the
                              name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to
                              economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to
                              the share of private savings that is available for private investment.
                              Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most
                              important factor.

                              But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of
                              this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned
                              it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and
                              research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is
                              cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow
                              believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to
                              worship their idol.

                              Over the past week, Democrats have stopped making concessions. They
                              are coming to the conclusion that if the Republicans are fanatics then
                              they better be fanatics, too.

                              The struggles of the next few weeks are about what sort of party the
                              G.O.P. is — a normal conservative party or an odd protest movement
                              that has separated itself from normal governance, the normal rules of
                              evidence and the ancient habits of our nation.

                              If the debt ceiling talks fail, independent voters will see that
                              Democrats were willing to compromise but Republicans were not. If
                              responsible Republicans don’t take control, independents will conclude
                              that Republican fanaticism caused this default. They will conclude
                              that Republicans are not fit to govern.

                              And they will be right.

                              This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

                              Correction: July 5, 2011


                              An earlier version of this column misstated the amount of revenue
                              increases needed in exchange for spending cuts as a few hundred
                              million.

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