Squealer you were all good up until #3! starving yourself will cause you to lose muscle quickly, keeping fat stores as your body is in survival mode. hence why you always see women in the gym workin out...all skinny fat. they burned up all their muscle and think they look good

personally, i put clen as being about the same as ephedrine. it doesn't do a whole lot unless your diet/cardio etc is all dialed in. if you're headed down that path, no reason not to do a cutting cycle. :)

youre getting some underdosed clen then my dude. Stack up some clen and ECA now your talkin! But im fortunate and was blessed with a high metabolism and i eat so clean and boring its not even funny. 24/7 lean bulk!

i was being sarcastic.

what she is suggesting is low cal/high protein diet. no matter how you slice it, you're going to lose a shitload of fat if you are starving yourself.

muscle loss, typically won't exceed 50% of total weight loss even under the harshest of circumstances.

@fris - I would suggest going to a local high school and using their bleachers... The first time just start a the top and walk/jog between the benches left to right, right to left, one row at a time. As you go from walking to a jog you can begin going up instead of down. Once you hit about 208 you can try going up the steps and down, up, down, up, down, then do the top to bottom between the steps.

100% free work out.

Once you are at 200 you can go to a community college and take the Fire Sciences P.E. class. Now you have somewhere you "have" to be... less likely to flake out. That class will put you at 190 with a lot more muscle in one semester.

i gotcha, i misread...thought u were merely saying "starving yourself" as in not eating at all not regarding that high protein kaka lol

thanks for the advices

If I don't have time to go to the gym, I go to the baseball field near my house and do Tabata sprints. I have a timer app for my phone to break down when to start and stop. Doing that at full intensity for 8 rounds will almost force you to lay down at the end.

On gym days, sometimes I'll mix HIIT eliptical into the basic cardio. It's the same thing as the sprints. You go all out for 20 seconds -- rest for 10. This goes on for 8 rounds.

You can integrate almost any exercise into the Tabata format -- burpess, jump rope, Hindu squats, pushups -- anything that gets the lungs going.

I don't have a problem with high protein diets for rapid fat loss. I do it sometimes. :) You won't really lose muscle as long as you keep carb intake low enough.

Thanks for the advice! :thumbsup

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i did not know that dog meat was so low in calories... :1orglaugh





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if you want to lose weight fast, i suggest getting a lap band..

i needed to lose about 10 pounds and went and got a lap band and the weight just melted off..




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I need to eat a lot of calories to avoid overtraining when I'm doing 7-9 workouts 6 days a week. I've been able to maintain that sort of intensity for about 2 months without overtraining, but I'd like to up the progressive overload to gain some more strength in that timeframe, but I'm afraid of burning myself out. That's why I was considering h-drol, since it's good for strength / lean muscle, but I decided to try the appetite enhancer first.

I'm not big on supplements, but sometimes you need them to take yourself to the next level.

For the people that want to lose weight, it's pretty easy to eat below maintenance. If I'm trying to drop a few, I don't even worry about counting calories. I just make sure I'm always a little bit hungry. Your metabolism is pretty dynamic and your body's feedback is the best way to tell where you are. Don't ignore it - listen to it.

sounds like hdrol is right up your alley, u can even stack the 2 for a more synergistic effect

I used to think it was as simple as calories in vs calories out. I've seen females with almost non existent levels of their 3 major hormones produce huge calorie deficits, and actually gain weight. As soon as they got their hormones back in the normal range, its amazing how fast the metabolism comes back.

My first inclination after reading about his wife is that she's eating way too little and her body is holding onto what fat she has. He said she's only eating one major meal a day, I highly doubt she's over 1400 calories. If she's really working out that much and eating that little over an extended period of time with no weight loss, then I'd recommend a full panel by an endocrinologist/internist who might be able to better tell her what is going on.

Lol. Was just curious, cause if you look like that you look like you know ur workout :) I can't really take people serious that can't bring their theory to reality.
I thought i wrote it. I don't know exact calory, because she's not really counting that part. She's more into workout. It's 1 normal meal a day for lunch/dinner, and 4 smaller meals that consist of fruit, vegetables or yoghurt with some grains. So the 1 normal meal would be like bowl of pasta with tomato sauce + some veggies, or some meat and potatos + salad for example. Size normal for her size.
She was doing some form of HIIT without much success (some sprints and high intensity workout), but likes the current workout more then that.
Yes, that's whats puzzling me. I'd never say she's eating enough, but her weight is steady, so something has to be keeping her up, since she's living like this for like 1 year already (she was working out before also, but with this current program ~1year).
What are you aiming at? I got friends that work out way less and eat more and look "leaner". Similar hight/weight. I figure she just needs to fix her diet, i feel she's eating we little and should eat more but better set up.

ladida, id bet to say shes eating wayyy wayyy too little especially for the amount of work she is doing. im 5'7 182 lbs and 8% bodyfat, the pic in my avi i was only 165 and about 10% bf.

Show me these people who have managed to violate the laws of thermodynamics and we can go after the Nobel Prize together.

Otherwise, a calorie is a unit of energy. Your body burns energy. Gasoline is energy for your car engine. If your car requires 10 gallons a week to drive to work and you put only 7 gallons in the tank, you don't end up with extra gas in the tank at the end of the week. That's just not possible.

Ok, so any suggestions? :P

eat more? should be 10-12x per 10 lbs of body weight, if she weighs 122, have her consume 1200 cals a day, if she stays the same, add a couple more calories in the mix. Like i said fruit really hold no caloric value, i can eat 20 oranges a day and nothing would happen except id be in an insulin spike all day. Also eating a different times can have different effects, especially if your wife is eating fruit late at night, it can cause an insulin spike which will further lead to weight gain. Its all about messing around with timing and calories. For every gram of carbs you take in you are really taking in 3x that amount with the water that comes with it. for example if i have 200 grams of carbs, my scale will reflect 600 grams of overall gain by the next day due to the water retention

Re read my post, thought I made it clear what I was aiming at. She could have a hormone deficiency that is severely impacting her metabolism. There's plenty of great info/ideas in this thread and I would certainly try those first, I was merely presenting an alternative thought based on hundreds of women I've seen hit the wall like your wife and couldn't figure out why the weight wouldn't come off. Out of curiosity, how old is she and has she had any children?

Hormone replacement therapy can work wonders look at suzanne somers

Look, I agree with just about everything you've said, its what I've thought for years. However, I've seen enough anomalies, particularly with females that made me realize that in some cases its much more complicated than what appears on the surface. Testosterone gives women their mental clarity and mood stabilization, libido and sexual function, muscle tone and mass and ability to metabolize sugars into energy; giving them the ability to maintain a healthy weight. A testosterone deficient woman will usually have an inability to lose weight despite working out and dieting, irritability and lack of sex drive even when in a healthy loving relationship.

I'm 100% confident I could give you a female severely deficient in testosterone and you could produce a calorie deficiency weekly via diet and exercise, yet she would have zero weight loss. I saw this first hand with my wife. She was running 5-7 miles daily and eating incredibly clean, week after week, but could not lose any of her pregnancy weight after child birth. After months of frustration with no weight loss, as I knew she was producing a calorie deficiency, I took her to see a specialist. Despite being in her early 30's, she had almost non existent hormone levels for the 3 main female hormones. After some hormone therapy, she maintained the same exercise and diet as before and the weight just started coming off.

I thought the Thigh Master was responsible for all of that.

lazy same thing happens with males who need hormone replacement therapy...estrogen in males = fat gain city.

and titties.

Actually I've seen older males with belly fat who begin dieting and working out and can't lose any weight and its because their testosterone is virtually depleted.

Usually their test is depleted their estrogen levels are usually higher than normal as well. Hormones play a crazy role in the grande scheme of things. You should get a full blood panel done every 6 months regardless of your health IMO

Stubborn fat in older men is most likely related to an impaired metabolic state (hypothyroidism and/or low cortisol).

This would also be a contributing factor (along with genetic aging) as to why sex hormones like testosterone are low.

You are confusing 2 very simple concepts.

1) you said she had a daily calorie deficit (i.e. eating less calories than she burned in a day) and GAINED weight (assuming you mean "FAT", not water - where hormones also play a significant role).

- that's just not possible

2) having a hard time losing fat - with increased physical activity and no meaningful change in diet

- different issue entirely

You might feel you've observed over time that 2+2 is not 4... but that doesn't prove that 2+2 is not 4, it just suggests there is something about the math that you do not understand.

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I meant, "gain weight" or "no weight loss at all" after a female's long term low calorie diet and rigorous daily exercise, I wasn't referring to #2. I'm not going to derail this thread with the details of hypothyroidism and all the effects of hormone depletion, all I can say is that there's tens of thousands of documented cases occurring just like I described.

again, "No weight loss at all" is not the same as the claim of eating less calories than one burns and GAINING fat. (water.. maybe, but not fat)

how does a person increase body fat by eating less calories than they burn?

you absolutely can't explain that and you will never find a single study that explains that. of course you can claim all day long that these alleged "10's of 1000's of documented cases" exist, but you will never produce a single one because they don't in fact exist.

i think you really aren't getting that you can't burn 2000 calories a day, eat 2000 calories a day and gain body fat. its absolutely not possible. hypothyroidism, hormones levels etc (my last injections of testosterone/hgh were this morning btw) have nothing to do with a simple physics problem and the fundamental laws of thermodynamics. you body can't produce energy stores from nothing... that only comes from food. your body can't store excess energy without either the presence of excess energy (i.e. eating more calories than you burn) or without requiring less energy to function (starvation mode)

a slow metabolism or hypothyroidism doesn't cause you to magically produce body fat from thin air. I do appreciate you throwing out some big words with the side note that you aren't going to discuss them to support your claims or even demonstrate any knowledge on the subject

"rigorous exercise" is subjective concept and unique to each individual, not a universal concept that explains anything at all.

Fat loss, as i've already stated repeatedly requires diligent attention to diet and constant tweaking to exercise/diet as your weight drops. Either you are burning fat or your body is using less energy as it slows down to conserve fat stores as it goes into starvation mode. There is no magic 3rd answer that explains the production of fat stores from thin air as you are claiming is possible.

i want to hire a trainer to come live with me for two months and teach me how to cook and eat proper for a healthy weight loss.

thats the hardest part ;/

the hardest part is getting in the car to go to the gym.

once you bust your ass in the gym, you'll feel guilty for eating like shit and be more mindful of your meal choices... making it easier to tackle the "eating right" part

My question was aimed mostly at what test to ask for :). If she went to the doc and said "hi, i work out, can't lose these 2-3 lbs i try for a year and i eat this and this" he'd tell her to go to a nutritionist or some personal trainer :). If you know which tests you were aiming at, thats what i was curious at.
Shes 30, had 1 child.

Thyroid (minimum tests): TSH, Total T4, Free T3

If her metabolism is slow, the rest of her hormones will also likely suffer.

See if she has any symptoms of hypotyhroidism (intolerance to cold, dry skin, cognition problems, constant fatigue, brittle hair and nails, cold hands and feet).

A test she can do at home to get an idea of her current metabolic state is to have her take her temperature 3 hours after waking up, 3 hours after that, and 3 hours after that. Get the average temperature. If it is well below 98.6F then this could be a sign of an impaired metabolic state since our body temperature is regulated by our metabolism.

Slower metabolism = lower body temperature.

honestly that is the easy part for me
ive lost a ton of weight and i go to the gym 5 days a week for 2-3 hours at a time then exercise at home at night

im at a stand still now with my weight loss ;/

the gym is the easy part, cooking and maintaining, not eating out/drinking/binging on crap while everyone else does in front of you is the hardest part.