Google Analytics is a trojan - GoFuckYourself.com

Splum · 07-06-2011, 07:53 PM

Google Analytics is a traffic trojan horse because it allows Google to tweak the results in real time based on a multitude of factors, GA is a determining factor in your Google ranking based on bounce rate, time on site etc.

For instance one day you could get 200 incoming uniques based around the term "hardcore gay videos" and the time on site is 43 seconds and the bounce rate is in the high 70s within a day or two that grouping of terms will no longer send you uniques because GA is reporting that term is not very effective on your site.

Long story short boycott Google Analytics and save yourself some headaches.

alias · 07-06-2011, 07:56 PM

They can tell the time on site / bounce rate without ga, won't make much difference.

I'm not saying to use it.

Gambrinus · 07-06-2011, 07:56 PM

Good. Better quality content with lower bounce rate and better time on site should get that traffic.

Zorgman · 07-06-2011, 07:58 PM

Never used it myself. Always like using my own code.

DBS.US · 07-06-2011, 07:59 PM

added to the BlackList

d-null · 07-06-2011, 08:01 PM

crazy to use it

papill0n · 07-06-2011, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

dumped that long ago and use Piwik...

piwik looks great, thanks

2MuchMark · 07-06-2011, 08:11 PM

GA lets you improve your site. The better your site is, the better search results Google can provide their customers, and the more they can make from ad revenue. No Trojan - Just brain power at work.

PornStarToys · 07-06-2011, 08:14 PM

Matt Cutts says they want people to be comfortable using it and for that reason it won't affect your rankings.

Trust me, Google has many other ways to grab your site data.

Using Google Analytics is a POSITIVE, if visitors are bouncing from your site - do something to improve it.

But whatever, boycott Google and become a zillionaire. Let me know how it works out for you.

bignasty · 07-06-2011, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

dumped that long ago and use Piwik...

That looks good, will give it a try.

B.Barnato · 07-06-2011, 08:18 PM

I no longer use it

Brad Mitchell · 07-06-2011, 08:58 PM

God forbid people be encouraged to build good, relevant sites! LOL

Brad

Konda · 07-06-2011, 09:14 PM

They still have that data through chrome browsers, so using or not using GA won't make a difference.

PornStarToys · 07-06-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

God forbid people be encouraged to build good, relevant sites! LOL

Brad

Seriously..

"Google says my site sucks. I'm going to stop giving them data in order to improve my Google rankings."

.. some logic

Babaganoosh · 07-06-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PornStarToys

Seriously..

"Google says my site sucks. I'm going to stop giving them data in order to improve my Google rankings."

.. some logic

Why willingly give them free data when there are perfectly viable alternatives available? Lazy webmasters just want to paste some javascript into a page but aren't willing to install their own stats programs.

Between piwik and server logs you'll have far more accurate and useful data than google analytics can provide. Apathy and/or ineptitude are the only reasons I can think of why people use google analytics.

PornStarToys · 07-06-2011, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Why willingly give them free data when there are perfectly viable alternatives available? Lazy webmasters just want to paste some javascript into a page but aren't willing to install their own stats programs.

Between piwik and server logs you'll have far more accurate and useful data than google analytics can provide. Apathy and/or ineptitude are the only reasons I can think of why people use google analytics.

If people like to use other solutions that they find more accurate and helpful, that's fine of course. But in response to the OP, calling Analytics a trojan and running from the facts is a dumb strategy to boost rankings.

leming · 07-06-2011, 09:39 PM

google = skynet

porno jew · 07-06-2011, 09:45 PM

since google changes every week what they consider a "quality" site why give them the rope to hang yourself with?

Gambrinus · 07-06-2011, 09:48 PM

I use Piwik in addition to GA and Webalizer/AWS. I leave GA off of sites that I know have shit bounce rates but I use it on sites that I know have very low bounce rates and high time on site... just in case, it certainly cant hurt. I hope Google is paying attention to my GA on those sites. It should rank higher in the serps for my keywords than some scrapebox/xrumer spamming jerkoff.

I like Piwik for live results but it isn't as great as people are making it out to be. Although I have yet to try Apache2Piwik. Anyone using it?

zerovic · 07-06-2011, 10:20 PM

using Piwik as well, however I still have GA for some sites...

Chosen · 07-07-2011, 01:41 AM

Not using it

NetHorse · 07-07-2011, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornStarToys

-snip-if visitors are bouncing from your site - do something to improve it.

end of discussion.

seeandsee · 07-07-2011, 02:15 AM

if you think you have quality site, then add GA and get even more traffic

wehateporn · 07-07-2011, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

if you think you have quality site, then add GA and get even more traffic

After I installed GA my SE traffic shot up the next day, that was over a month ago and the SE traffic hasn't gone down since

Splum · 07-07-2011, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornStarToys

Matt Cutts says they want people to be comfortable using it and for that reason it won't affect your rankings.

Matt Cutts is a PR guy and you know they dont tell the truth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornStarToys

Using Google Analytics is a POSITIVE, if visitors are bouncing from your site - do something to improve it.

There are no "quality" porn sites in Googles eyes, and most people doing tgps/blogs/etc are TRADING traffic so bounce rate is going to be higher than your average cooking blog.

Splum · 07-07-2011, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

After I installed GA my SE traffic shot up the next day, that was over a month ago and the SE traffic hasn't gone down since

Oh it certainly can get your new sites indexed faster but there are other methods to do that too, and once Google starts figuring out what keywords they want to display for your site believe me that traffic wont be as heavy, watch your stats go up and down every few months.

femdomdestiny · 07-07-2011, 03:35 AM

I have google analytics on more then 20 sites. Yes, google destroyed me in previous months and even if I 've improved things regarding their guidelines, I am going down every single fucking day. What do you think,should I delete analytics from my sites?

wehateporn · 07-07-2011, 04:36 AM

I've only installed GA on one site and it's one that's been live since 2007.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum

Oh it certainly can get your new sites indexed faster but there are other methods to do that too, and once Google starts figuring out what keywords they want to display for your site believe me that traffic wont be as heavy, watch your stats go up and down every few months.

V_RocKs · 07-07-2011, 06:58 AM

One of the most successful blog networks recently discussed here at GFY does not use Analytics.

JamesGw · 07-07-2011, 07:08 AM

Google is far from an unscrupulous company, but I'm pretty sure they're not using Analytics data to influence search results. They can get most of the information they need from other places regardless.

Freaky_Akula · 07-07-2011, 07:19 AM

I am not using it. It slows down your site.

Icy · 07-07-2011, 07:27 AM

I have google analytics in most of my sites including my best ones and have not ever seen it helping or damaging my rankings.

Google can't be using GA as their way to look at bounce rates etc, as most of sites do not use GA.

Denny · 07-07-2011, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorgman

Never used it myself. Always like using my own code.

Same here

MrCain · 07-07-2011, 05:41 PM

I do not use. I use server side scripts.

INever · 07-07-2011, 07:20 PM

I prefer being spied on by statcounter.

porno jew · 07-07-2011, 08:06 PM

google gave us ga out of the goodness of their hearts. do no evil.

d-null · 07-07-2011, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew

google gave us ga out of the goodness of their hearts...

CyberHustler · 07-07-2011, 08:32 PM

I use piwik & awstats

Brent 3dSexCash · 07-07-2011, 08:39 PM

anyone tried reinvigorate.net ?

Splum · 07-07-2011, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

dumped that long ago and use Piwik...

How is Piwik on server resources?

cooldude7 · 07-07-2011, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum

How is Piwik on server resources?

i just installed on my server and memory consumption increased ..

Brent 3dSexCash · 07-08-2011, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum

How is Piwik on server resources?

I stopped using it. Used quite a bit of my server's resources, especially when it ran its cron jobs, enough that I needed a separate server for it.

Babaganoosh · 07-08-2011, 06:20 AM

Sounds like a few of you need to adjust your mysql config. Also, on older versions of Piwik the default db structure had an indexing mistake that caused trouble.

Those of you with trouble, how much traffic were you throwing at it daily?

07-06-2011, 07:53 PM	#1
Splum Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,195	Google Analytics is a trojan Google Analytics is a traffic trojan horse because it allows Google to tweak the results in real time based on a multitude of factors, GA is a determining factor in your Google ranking based on bounce rate, time on site etc. For instance one day you could get 200 incoming uniques based around the term "hardcore gay videos" and the time on site is 43 seconds and the bounce rate is in the high 70s within a day or two that grouping of terms will no longer send you uniques because GA is reporting that term is not very effective on your site. Long story short boycott Google Analytics and save yourself some headaches.

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2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 49,499	GA lets you improve your site. The better your site is, the better search results Google can provide their customers, and the more they can make from ad revenue. No Trojan - Just brain power at work. __________________ Custom Coding \| Videochat Solutions \| Age Verification \| IT Help & Support www.2Much.net

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Gambrinus So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Prague Posts: 740	Good. Better quality content with lower bounce rate and better time on site should get that traffic.

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PornStarToys Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: A Whale's Vagina Posts: 581	Matt Cutts says they want people to be comfortable using it and for that reason it won't affect your rankings. Trust me, Google has many other ways to grab your site data. Using Google Analytics is a POSITIVE, if visitors are bouncing from your site - do something to improve it. But whatever, boycott Google and become a zillionaire. Let me know how it works out for you. __________________ Porn Star Toys - Sex Toys Molded from Porn Stars! Sex Toy Craze

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Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	They still have that data through chrome browsers, so using or not using GA won't make a difference.

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porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	since google changes every week what they consider a "quality" site why give them the rope to hang yourself with?

07-06-2011, 09:48 PM	#19
Gambrinus So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Prague Posts: 740	I use Piwik in addition to GA and Webalizer/AWS. I leave GA off of sites that I know have shit bounce rates but I use it on sites that I know have very low bounce rates and high time on site... just in case, it certainly cant hurt. I hope Google is paying attention to my GA on those sites. It should rank higher in the serps for my keywords than some scrapebox/xrumer spamming jerkoff. I like Piwik for live results but it isn't as great as people are making it out to be. Although I have yet to try Apache2Piwik. Anyone using it?

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zerovic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,111	using Piwik as well, however I still have GA for some sites...

07-07-2011, 01:41 AM	#21
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femdomdestiny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,176	Ga I have google analytics on more then 20 sites. Yes, google destroyed me in previous months and even if I 've improved things regarding their guidelines, I am going down every single fucking day. What do you think,should I delete analytics from my sites? __________________ Femdom Destiny -------------------------------------------- ICQ: 463-630-426 email: webmaster(at)femdomdestiny.com

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	One of the most successful blog networks recently discussed here at GFY does not use Analytics.

07-07-2011, 07:08 AM	#30
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Icy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 864	I have google analytics in most of my sites including my best ones and have not ever seen it helping or damaging my rankings. Google can't be using GA as their way to look at bounce rates etc, as most of sites do not use GA. __________________ Kimia: Make money with mobile traffic, both adult and mainstream Skype: sinlords - ICQ: 83-235-881 email: ivan at kimia.mobi

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porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	google gave us ga out of the goodness of their hearts. do no evil.

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Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	Sounds like a few of you need to adjust your mysql config. Also, on older versions of Piwik the default db structure had an indexing mistake that caused trouble. Those of you with trouble, how much traffic were you throwing at it daily?