escalating scam---phony check signups, CCbill, Ibill very poor marks!

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  • models
    Registered User
    • Oct 2002
    • 118
    #1

    escalating scam---phony check signups, CCbill, Ibill very poor marks!

    Ok,

    it's just gets worse every week. the newest scam, some asswipe using 3 or 4 different names, a minor variation of the same address, is able to submit obviously phony or fraudulent checking data to CCbill or Ibill on multiple sites we own.

    then the asswipe using his high speed line sucks down all of our content.

    then 2 days later we see CCbill and Ibill charging back these purchases that were obviously fraudulent in the beginning.

    CCbill and Ibill need to get security measures in place to prevent these scammers---otherwise we'll have to take their checking links off, the webmaster is VERY vulnerable if checking accts are not verified.
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    • Snake Doctor
      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
      • Mar 2001
      • 13449
      #2
      Check verification isn't done in real time.
      What you're dealing with is the cost of doing business.
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        • models
          Registered User
          • Oct 2002
          • 118
          #3
          is netbilling's new check system any better in this scenario?

          anyone know?

          thanks for any good input on this!

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            • chupacabra
              Confirmed User
              • Sep 2002
              • 3626
              #4
              i hate checks, pure evil..
              ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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                • xxxinnovations
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 1181
                  #5
                  I think electracash.com is best at accepting checks... they ONLY deal in checks

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                    • heymatty
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 2188
                      #6
                      I would certainly prefer if in ccbill admin the affiliate was not credited with a check signup until it had cleared.

                      Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

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                        • dantheman
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                          • May 2002
                          • 3308
                          #7
                          you need to limit your users download!

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                            • Rich
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 11486
                              #8
                              Billing using checks is not a good idea IMO. I tried them, but it didn't last long. They're such a problem that no ones accepts them in brick and mortar stores, why should we accept them on the net? At least at a store the asshole has to look someone in the face and hand them a bad check, so people with a slight conceience can't do it. On our sites they just have to enter some fake information into their computer. I think that's just a little too tempting and easy for horney teenage kids and dishonest broke assholes to do. We all know those are two groups of people that there's no sortage of.

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                                • heymatty
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 2188
                                  #9
                                  I once had a a check sign up,

                                  First name: California
                                  Last name: Mortuary


                                  Must of been a slow day.

                                  Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

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                                    • Alky
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Apr 2002
                                      • 5651
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by dantheman
                                      you need to limit your users download!
                                      thats bullshit, if i bought a membership and it was limited by the amount i could download, i'd certainly want to get a refund or a chargeback.

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                                        • BJ
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Mar 2002
                                          • 5590
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by models
                                          is netbilling's new check system any better in this scenario?

                                          anyone know?

                                          thanks for any good input on this!
                                          from netbillings site:

                                          FAPP coupled with our own fraud scrubbing modules will offer greater ACH conversion rates while minimizing fraud and returns. Unlike other solutions that merely verify a bank bin #, FAPP utilizes proprietary anti-fraud modules and verification through various reporting agencies.
                                          Last edited by BJ; 01-27-2003, 11:24 AM.

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                                            • NetRodent
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 3985
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by heymatty
                                              I once had a a check sign up,

                                              First name: California
                                              Last name: Mortuary


                                              Must of been a slow day.
                                              That reminds me. We got a signup from a mortuary in the uk once. I forget why I was snooping, but I found that the mortuary
                                              had a website. Our valued member had his picture on the website. Gave me the creeps thinking about him embalming a corpse and then going to jerk off (or the other way around).
                                              "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
                                              --H.L. Mencken

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                                                • playa
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                  • 6432
                                                  #13
                                                  something 90% of check sign ups are fraud

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                                                    • PerfectionGirls
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 4484
                                                      #14
                                                      it's just gets worse every week. the newest scam, some asswipe using 3 or 4 different names, a minor variation of the same address, is able to submit obviously phony or fraudulent checking data to CCbill or Ibill on multiple sites we own.
                                                      LOL... I bet I can tell you the different email addresses this guy uses! I had a guy with the same exact MO that was going that. He was giving different variations on address in the Washington State area. His email addresses we all AOL accounts.

                                                      People are right though.. its the cost of doing business. We take checks and I fought this for months.. However, we make money on checks.. Our retention is way higher on check clients the CC clients. If you loose less then 40% of your check customers due to returns you are doing good. Don't sweat it.
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                                                        • Snake Doctor
                                                          I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                          • 13449
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Rich
                                                          They're such a problem that no ones accepts them in brick and mortar stores, why should we accept them on the net?
                                                          You've been watching too many VISA check card commercials

                                                          True places like gas stations won't take checks anymore. 2 or 3 bad checks for them wipes out the profit they made in a week from all the checks they took.

                                                          But you can still write a check at Wal-Mart. Why? Because they know that the check fraud is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money they'd lose if they didn't take checks anymore.

                                                          As long as you don't pay your affiliates for the sale until the check clears, it really didn't cost you any $$ to take the check signup, and in the long run you'll make more by taking them than not.
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