so many funny and wrong things in one thread.... :1orglaugh

nameserver do not require unique ips.. and have not required unique IP's for over 10 years now.

SSL and hosts machines are the only reason why people need unique ip addresses. Unless running multiple services over the same port that are different applications then you need unique ips as well.

i.e varnish, lighttpd, squid, apache, whateverelse goes here.

IPv4 is running out. We deny people who ask for IP's weekly. So yes if you are ever looking at yellow fiber for hosting and demand more than a reasonable amount of ips. i.e5 to 16 then you will be denied. And we are not the host for you. We have hundreds of happy customers that do very very well in the seo world and don't use hundreds of ips.

The whole unique IP address game is going to be irrelevant in the next few years.. Why? IPv6 is going tot ake over and at that point no one is even going to care. Until then IPv4 space is a resource, a valuable one. ARIN is only allocating IP allocations for additional space based off 3 month projection usage. Yes. We are out of IP space. Someone go thank china for taking almost half the worlds ip space.

Its called technical justification, and while there is no real rule or "guide" for this. ARIN will ask for it and question you. If they see you giving out massive amounts of IP space to people who simply are doing it for SEO reasons they will deny you or cut you down on your allocation request for more resources.

SEO hosts are only screwing themselves in the long run.

SSL is the reason u should have told them.

Well i have done this over and over again for over 14 years and never got any issues asking for them this way. In fact, Last week i got some on another host of mine.


As for the other fucker (TubeKing).
Why the fuck the term "idiot" ?
Read the reply i just wrote DICK :1orglaugh


But you know what i'm thinking, maybe this won't be an issue in a near futur as we're running out of Ips so you will start to see 100's of domains under the same IP (various client/webmasters) sharing one and people won't get penalized for it.

Well as matter a fact, YES

If you got 50 domains under one IP, trust me, 99.9% of your domains won't get a top listing.
But that's about to go (well i think) but not for now.

100tb.com hands out Ips like they are going out of style.. Made me fill out a justification form for the 3rd batch of 8 I got.. it was hilarious, and they approved me!

You want a different c-block address for SEO purposes anyway. That usually means an entirely different hosting plan.

What in your mind is a reasonable amount of ips? IpV4 might be running out but you also got to understand more and more company's are turning in legacy space, and arin, ripe and others are slowly taking ips over from company's that are dead.

IPV6 may be the future but it is still years away. Most of this country, not to mention most of the world does not have equipment to handle IPv6 and the reason why it is continued to be delayed is because of the cost to prepare the networks for IPv6 (Routers, Man Hours)

I say this personally. I think it is wrong for any host to deny IPv4 if the space is available and a customer has a legit reason to use it. I am sick and tired of these games on how ARIN is not handing out new IP Space, and or a host to tell a client they do not need that much ip space and bully them into either putting up with it or moving.

What happens if the host themselves is nearly out of IPs, and ARIN refuses a further allocation?

Do you then go back and ask the customers with (excessively) multiple IPs to renumber, so you have some to give to new customers?

They do!


:thumbsup

Fitty one :(

another webair success story.

NatNet told us to FUCK OFF when we asked for some more IPs

We have had 2 servers and guess how many total IPs we were allowed? 2. They have this stupid 1 server = 1 IP policy.

They basically said that the internet has ran out of IPs and they were doing us a huge favor by SELLING and extra IP. (we were having auth problems with NATS domains and paysite domains, that's why we asked for extra)

:disgust

You of all people should be one to understand this theory, instead of making everything a big sales/marketing stunt everywhere why don't you take a step back and look at things?

When was the last time you applied for IP space? behind holders of 3x /20's and a /19 we recently applied for another /19 but were denied and only given a /21 thats 3 months of usage/growth. ARIN is only allocating IP space based on your 3 month growth expectation. So if you are burning IP space to customers for no reason they are going to flat out deny you ip space. Why? because they can and they will. It is MUCH harder to obtain IP space now. New companies must provide fully executed documents with their 2+ upstream networks AND colocation facility(where applies) to just prove that they are taking space and qualify for IP space now.

Cost to deploy a network for IPv6 is minimal. I can guarantee our network is larger and more complex than yours due to the amount of office buildings we service and our fiber network. You know how long it took us to turn up our IPv6 BGP/OSPF mesh on our backbone like our IPv4 space? Just under 4 hours to do all the configurations on the equipment. So please don't give me the excuse ohhh the time it takes to deploy and the routers.. because any network in todays world that is running a network with full IPv4 routes is MORE than capable of running IPv6 right now at the same time. This being given a minimum of a csico 6500 series running 720-3bxl gear. Nothing else in the cisco world that is smaller than that device will support less than a full routing table.

What is defined as "legit" surely there is no law to dictate how IP space can be used or should be used. the RIR's use 'technical justification' in other word in their eyese are you handling this properly? Arin fully expects you to issue a /29 to each user at the minimum. Which frankly is a fair amount of usable IP space. 5 usable IPs is more than enough for many users. While ARIN is taking back legacy space, if you actually paid attention to ARIN's policy and news you would know they "hold" the ip space for 6 months. So this means the request queue will simply fill up. Now this game has turned into a lottory. When IP space becomes available will you get your share? Maybe.. Maybe not.

So this then turns into a business decision. You can either A. give someone a bunch of ips for free or charge them very minimal for it. or charge them modest.. or simply not give them IP's at all. What does your company the best? Do you make more per customer based on default allocations? What happens when you run out of space but you got a couple /24's sitting around being used by these customers and you have a large contract to fill that simply uses minimal IP space per machine and frankly you make more with this new contract because well they are paying for a large box and bandwidth. What do you do? reclaim IP space and piss off a customer who has been there for years? Or turn down the contract? Simply because you can't get additional IP space from ARIN. And more than likely your up-streams wont give you IP space either because you are a BGP customer with your own space.

The major limitation of IPv6 right now is the firewall companies/venders. Which is quickly being resolved due to pressure by large networks. Once this is "resolved" IPv6 will be more widely adapted. Home network devices will start adapting to IPv6 and more and more use will start happening. If you look at the IPv6 routing table it is growing at an exponential rate since last year, its going gangbusters on growth.

So go a head and give all your ip space to customers. We have always been known as a not so friendly for SEO hosting because we are strict on IP usage. And frankly I am fine with that. Simply means no one is going to risk doing anything to blacklist our ranges with serps and a slew of other problems that come with it.

:1orglaugh nice try.

I couldn't agree more, but stay tuned as we should have the new one up in a month or so :thumbsup

- Bill

I remember when they suggested you put each of your domains on their own IP for seo purposes... I think it was 2003?

Hey, I'm just saying we don't give IP's out for that reasoning. Its just simply not part of our model.

Cool, however, I am pretty sure IP ranges were being blocked long before SEO hosting came to be.

Hi

I think there may be some sort of misunderstanding here. We have no such 1 server 1 IP policy and never have had. We have never denied a valid request for IP addresses. If you would like to contact me via a sales ticket in our ticketing system, I would be more than happy to look at this and see what the story is.

Thanks

-- Bill

I'm just referring to the people who abuse the system and get their ips blocked from google. Not talking about mail etc.

I stand corrected. There is an ARIN policy for customers who request larger than /29 ip space.

https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four2372
4.2.3.7.5. Accounting for additional utilization

The following format should be used to provide the required information for utilization of blocks smaller than /29 and for describing internal networks when either SWIP or RWhois server is not used:
City Which IP Addresses Assigned No. of Ports No. of Dial-up Clients
City Which IP Addresses Assigned No. of Internal Machines Purpose
Which IP Addresses Assigned List URLs for Websites

basically in short if you have more than 5 ips and your host gets challenged by arin.. which they will.. because we have been challenged by arin when we got our latest allocation they will ask for proof of customer information and their allocation details and how they are used.

I can't wait to see what some hosts start doing when this happens.

Fabien hit me up...

I can route some of my ips to your host, LOL.

Either that or move to here.

619-306-3072

Wasting 3 (network, gateway, broadcast) out of 8 IPs in a typical /29 customer subnet seems pretty wasteful to me... in a /24 (or class C old school) that's 96 IPs unusable, or a whopping 37.5% of the whole block. Exclude the first and last /29 from customer allocations to be safe (since the net and broadcast addresses clash with a /24) and you're up to 112 unusable IPs, or 43.7% wasted

Isn't it possible to set up a VLAN that presents as a /24 to the customer but is internally a /29 (quietly rerouting ether packets to other customers on the /24) so that instead there's only 3 out of 256 IPs wasted? It won't change what you have to give to customers (it's still a /29) but since they have 3 extra IPs it will reduce the chances of them needing to ask for extra subnets.

(This is from my previous life as an ISP, been a while since I did hardcore networking, so I may be a little rusty.)

I have hundreds of ips for going on years now ....since this post started i added another 10 to my list ...my host no probs at all ....been there 9 years .....and they got lot more ips if i need :)

There are other issues at hand by not isolating each customer to their own /24, inner customer traffic between servers, hijacking of ips among other things.

See..... Huh see !
I ain't the only bitch'in/bragging around about this.


I know this is an issue (no more IP's letf) but until SE's stop penalizing too much domains under the same roof we're F*CKED !

Google's aware of shared hosting. They don't penalize for multiple domains on the same IP.

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/myth-b...-ip-addresses/

time to get another host...

Yes, I know that can be a serious issue, which is why I'm talking about a faux /24. Isn't that how VLANs work? They pretend to be a /24 to the client box, but each port only ever sees packets for its own /29.

Like I said, been a while, maybe I'm misunderstanding things and there's no magic like that. :thumbsup

Shared hosting and shared IPs are not the same thing.

shut up reseller

thank you, I'm aware of that.

I can provide many IPs
 

Is someone is interested I can supply servers with many IPs From 256 Ips to 2048 Ips

Anyone interested let me know.

Regards

J

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wow there is so much bullshit in this thread its comical. Some people really need to get off their high horses.

The SEO Hosting model isnt for every host out there. Its a nice part of our overall Hosting business, but its still a great service for customers who need to spread space out.

Customers swear by it and so do our managed SEO Clients and their rankings.

Unless you own nac.net and as8001 then you're just a reseller.

WTF are you talking about. We Own all our ASN's and IP's and never have been a reseller.

Post your AS numbers then.